| IVOD_ID |
152912 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152912 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-23T11:22:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-23T11:31:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:25 |
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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:40 - 11:31:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於立法院主管預算凍結項目共4案。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於行政院人事行政總處主管預算凍結項目共1案。
三、併案審查
（一）行政院函請審議「洗錢防制法修正草案」案。
（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「洗錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員郭國文等16人擬具「洗錢防制法第五條及第六條之一條文修正草案」案。
（四）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「洗錢防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
【第三案（一）各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查；（四）如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（11時22分）主席，楊瓊瓔發言。我想今天我們還是回歸今天的主題，洗錢防制法跟立法院的解凍案，本席首先要請周秘書長。 |
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主席：請周秘書長。 |
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周秘書長萬來：楊委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：秘書長，其實5月17號我發覺你真的委屈了，當你被推在地上、你的文件都被搶走，我們真的都傻眼了，史上頭一遭！我也看到我們議事組人員被嗆聲，我真的滿難過的，我們是一個理性的國家，民主國家不應當有這樣的行為。所以我還是呼籲我們藍、綠、白的委員，大家都是為臺灣努力，我們應該要好好地問政，不要再有那種暴力，連議事組人員都嗆聲，這是不對的行為！當然我也可以瞭解，在整個氛圍當中大家會有情緒，但是情緒之後我們仍舊希望大家冷靜下來。 |
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所以針對今天的解凍案，包括了資訊設備與入口平臺、公報行政等這些，本席認為，今天在英明召集人的主持之下，希望能夠好好理性討論，該解凍的就解凍，為什麼我首先要提出這一點，因為公報對我們來講很重要，當天很多委員都在吶喊：我沒有看到資料！這也就是我們在公報當中，以及現場所印出來的條文跟資料，都非常的清楚。本席也是希望，雖然我不是參加司法委員會，我是經濟委員會，但是我身為立法院的一員，我仍舊希望在我剛剛所說的這個項下，待會大家實質討論的時候，有必要的就儘快解凍，因為這個對於我們整個議事來講是非常重要的。所以首先我要請教秘書長，當天那一種情況，你心裡做何感想？ |
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周秘書長萬來：因為只是一個剎那間的感覺，我倒也沒有覺得什麼特別，關於郭委員對我有這個行為，我當時都不會去想到這個東西，其實那是書，不是資料…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你手上拿的那個到底是什麼東西？ |
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周秘書長萬來：我拿的是兩本我的書，當時因為早上為了表決、重付表決，同事裡面有疑慮，所以我就拿了那本書，因為裡面有一個高鐵的案子要跟他們說明，是有這樣的情況，當時那個議事例是這樣處理，表決的時候是無記名，重付表決也是無記名，因為同事不太瞭解，所以我把那本書拿來給他看。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你把你的法寶、你的兩本書拿來啦！剛才本席也說了，也就是說，當時的氛圍，大家的情緒，似乎我們都可以理解，但是我希望不要再有這種暴力的行為。 |
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現在大家在說為什麼會提出舉手表決，在聯合國、在德國，像這些國家都有，在這樣的情況之下，因為依照議事規則的規範，在這個規範當中，大家去做調整。我還要請問秘書長，當時我們休息協商，經過了幾次的朝野協商，對不對？有到後面協商，對不對？ |
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周秘書長萬來：有協商。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我似乎聽到三黨當中有人說，我們大家都回來坐著，好好來表決，但是協商不成，有人反對，對不對？是不是？ |
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周秘書長萬來：因為協商當時是不公開，所以我不予在這邊做報告。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們就是結果論，你們出去有人提到這樣的意見，但是協商不成，到底誰反對？大家都回來坐在椅子上，好好的來用表決器表決？協商不成就是一定有人反對，到底誰反對？本席之所以會提出這樣的論點，就是希望我們不要給社會大眾不正確的訊息，接下來我放一段影片，我是不忍心放，但是我覺得要還原事實，我放一分鐘的影片。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：誰在抽表決卡？誰搶回表決卡？很清楚，是誰在抽！影像證明一切嘛！影像代表一切，這一些都是公開透明的，所以我做一個結論，立法院是這麼這麼的重要，我們代表民意，我們希望好好來討論，希望大家藍、綠、白都不要說不正確的訊息給社會大眾。 |
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最後一個議題本席要請教，因為國會在這邊，範圍非常的小，上一屆的游錫堃院長，他非常的用心，這一點我欽佩他，他到各地，只要有人提議國會可以轉到哪裡的地點，他就一個一個去拜會、一個一個去看，像我建議到臺中，所以游院長到臺中的時候，我自己本身親自陪同，所以這個目前也列在這一屆的項目之內嗎？進度如何？請教。 |
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周秘書長萬來：我請廖處長跟你比較詳細的說明，現在已經有呈報給韓院長了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：現在的進度怎麼樣呢？處長請做說明。 |
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廖處長烱志：報告，現在我們總務處已經簽報，等朝野協商決定後的地點，我們會進行後續的可行性評估。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，謝謝。所以是現在進行式當中，你已經簽報，就等三黨朝野協商，我充分建議，在我們臺中是最棒的，高雄來OK，花東來OK，北部下去OK，大家最公平，本席建議。 |
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周秘書長辛苦了，議事人員辛苦了，謝謝。 |
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周秘書長萬來：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。因為剛剛、先前徵得委員會同意，我們在11點半郭國文委員詢答後，我們就進行處理。請郭委員進行發言，因為11點半要開始處理提案，所以在這邊預作宣告，我們就不再受理臨時提案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第25次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於立法院主管預算凍結項目共 4案；二、處理113年度中央政
府總預算關於行政院人事行政總處主管預算凍結項目共1案；三、併案審查(一)行政院函請審議
「洗錢防制法修正草案」案、(二)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「洗錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修
正草案」案、(三)委員郭國文等16人擬具「洗錢防制法第五條及第六條之一條文修正草案」案、
(四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「洗錢防制法部分條文修正草案」案 |
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來 等一下 等一下 等一下 現在要開外賣嗎?對啊 沒關係 你點了我就請人起來 |
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主席楊瓊瓔發言我想今天我們還是回歸今天的主題洗錢防制法跟立法院的解通案所以本席首先要先請周秘書長請周秘書長 |
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楊瓊瓔好。議長。其實在5月17號我發覺真的你委屈了。當你被推在地上你的文件都被搶走。我們真的都傻眼了。史上頭一招。我也看到我們議事組人員也被嗆聲。我真的蠻難過的。 |
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我們是一個理性的國家民主國家不應當有這樣的行為所以我還是呼籲我們藍綠白的委員大家都是為台灣在努力我們應該要好好的來問責不要再有那種暴力連議事組人員都搶這個是不對的一個行為 |
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當然我也可以了解在整個氛圍當中大家會有所情緒但是情緒之後我們仍舊希望大家冷靜下來所以針對今天的解凍案包括了資訊設備與入口網平台公報業務公報行政 |
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這一些本席認為今天在英明的召集人的主持之下希望能夠好好理性討論該解凍的去解凍為什麼我首先要提出這一點因為公報對我們來講很重要當天很多委員都吶喊我沒有看到資料 |
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此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外, |
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我身為立法院的議員我仍舊希望在我剛剛所說的這個向下待會大家實質討論的時候有必要的盡快解凍因為這個對於我們整個議事來講是非常重要的所以首先我要請教秘書長當天那一種情況你心裡作何感想 |
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五（五（五（五（五（五（ |
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五﹗五﹗五﹗五﹗ |
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法寶﹑兩本書本席也說了﹑ |
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也就是說在當時的氛圍大家這個情緒似乎我們都可以理解但是我希望不要再有這種暴力的行為那所以呢現在大家說為什麼會提出這個舉手表決在聯合國在德國這些國家都有 |
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在這樣的情況之下因為依照議事規則的規範在這個規範當中大家去調整大家去調整我還請問秘書長當時我們休息協商經過了幾次的草野協商對不對開始又到後面協商對不對我似乎聽到三黨當中 |
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有人說我們大家都回來做著好好來表決。 |
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但是協商不成有人反對對不對是不是我會變在這個會裡面說明啦那因為協商當時是不公開齁所以我不不不不已在這邊做報告所以協商我們結果論嘛你們出去有人提到這樣的意見但是協商不成那到底誰反對大家都回來坐在椅子上好好的來用表決器表決 |
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誰張不成就是一定有人反對嘛到底誰反對本期之所以會提出這樣論點就是希望我們不要給社會大眾不正確的訊息接下來我放一段影片我是不忍心放但是我覺得要還原事實我放一分鐘影片 |
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則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查． |
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議員無效!影像代表一切這一些都是公開透明的所以我做一個結論立法院是這麼這麼的重要我們代表民意我們希望好好的來討論希望大家藍綠白都不要說不正確的訊息給社會大眾最後一個議題本席要請教 |
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因為國會在這邊範圍非常的小上一屆的游錫堃院長他非常的用心這一點我欽佩他他到各地只要有人提議國會可以轉到哪裡可以在哪裡的這個地點他一個一個一個去拜會一個一個去看在台中我建議到台中 |
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所以由院長到台中的時候我自己本身親自陪同我親自陪同所以這個目前也列在這一屆的項目之內嗎?進度如何?請教我只跟廖處長跟你比較詳細的說好馬上現在已經有呈報給好了現在的進度怎麼樣呢?處長請做說明 |
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報告現在我們總務處已經簽報那等草野協商決定後的地點我們會進行後續的可行性評估好謝謝所以現在進行是當中嘛你已經簽報就等三黨的草野協商嘛我充分建議在我們台中最棒高雄來OK花東來OK北部下去OK大家最公平本席建議 |
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總理市長辛苦了。議事人員辛苦了。謝謝。 |