| IVOD_ID |
152858 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152858 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-29T11:39:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-29T11:51:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90f54132b1096e6fcf052afbc35df1c656dd8af69baafbe80469f81d00442838eab79561b69ec085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:56 - 11:51:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告「退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（11時39分）謝謝主席及各位先進，有請退輔會馮主委。 |
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主席：請馮主委。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：委員恭喜啊！您又當選了。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要恭喜你還是要替你惋惜要離開這個位置？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我覺得您對我有很多的啟發，譬如說您競選的時候，在CNN都拿我的講話來給您當競選的資料，我覺得非常榮幸。 |
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賴委員士葆：因為你講的跟別人不一樣，俗話說：「人之將去，其言也善，其言也真。」這個「去」是去職、離開這個位置，我看你今天都笑嘻嘻的，每一個人都不為難你，我也不會為難你，讓你暢所欲言好不好？但是你要講真話、講好話，因為你當過國防部長、當過退輔會主委，都是很吃重的工作，那你要不要看一下顧立雄這個文人部長，你怎麼看文人部長？他是第七個文人部長。我在立法院多年，我看到文人部長後面成績都不怎麼樣，包括前面的孫震、陳履安、蔡明憲，還有好幾位文人部長，他們的表現我怎麼看都不如像你這樣將軍出身的來當國防部長，這個表現可以比較好，你同意我的話嗎？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：報告委員，前面的幾位文人部長都沒有當過國安會秘書長，對於…… |
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賴委員士葆：你也沒有當過啊！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：對於國安、國防可能都會生疏，所以您會評論他們的表現不是十分的讓人家能夠讚揚，但是顧先生，我要先聲明我跟他沒有私交，除了公務的點頭之交之外，我覺得換一個在國安會當過秘書長的管兩岸事務以及我們國防事務的去當部長，也是一個新的嘗試。 |
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賴委員士葆：嘗試？國防可以嘗試嗎？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我們可以這麼說…… |
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賴委員士葆：你看他當律師之後去當促轉會主委，然後就金管會主委、國安會秘書長，我覺得他好像是十項全能，你不覺得這個政府對他來講、蔡英文對他來講十分厚愛、一路提攜，是不是？難道你沒有一絲絲的擔心嗎？其實你不用拍他馬屁對不對？你不用嘛！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我剛才講話有拍他馬屁嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：感覺有一點，我的感覺有一點。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：假如有一點的話，我收回。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，你收回。不過不要收回，話講出來就不要收回。我今天是帶著很大的誠意來跟你對話，我也珍惜這樣子最後一次的對話。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你對他是肯定大於否定是不是？我這樣講對吧？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我覺得他當過國安會秘書長，比前面的文人直接來當部長應該頗具優勢。 |
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賴委員士葆：你要這樣講的話，陳履安有沒有當過國防部長？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：他有當過啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：對啊，以他的背景來講，他的爸爸是陳誠，他的軍方背景很強啊！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：他沒有當過兵，他沒有指揮過部隊，他是文人部長啊！報告委員…… |
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賴委員士葆：是啊，所以我說他是文人部長對啊！我說他是文人部長，但是評價不怎麼樣，我是這個意思啊！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：這樣子好了，我們刮目來看顧部長是不是能夠做得更好，因為他經過國安會長時間的歷練，這個不是拍馬屁吧！ |
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賴委員士葆：我比較擔心的是他到時候緊急情況按鈕按錯了，我比較擔心這個啦！ |
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第二個，請問你在國防部長跟退輔會任內，你自詡哪一個單位你做得比較好？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我覺得國防部我是盡力了，所以我稱自己是一百分嘛！但是我在退輔會做的時間比較長，能夠做一些長期規劃的事，這個有成就感。 |
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賴委員士葆：也是一百分？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我不敢說一百分，但是我覺得我的確是努力了。 |
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賴委員士葆：你講國防部長一百分，那就代表在退輔會做得比較差，我倒覺得你退輔會做得不差耶！最少榮總體系就做得很好啊！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：是，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：你知道北榮今年不得了啊！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：得到世界的排名。 |
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賴委員士葆：對，我要講這個，世界排名只有北榮啊！拍謝，其實中榮、高榮也很好，我要特別講，但是你們沒有入名，北榮有入名啊！了不起啊！我都以為這次衛福部長是他，你知道嗎？結果猜錯了。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：報告委員，我也是這麼猜測。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊，你看你跟我講的一樣，我心裡想現在你占了院長，絕對可以來做部長，非常恰當，就像西裝非常合身，你聽得懂這個意思嗎？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：聽得懂。 |
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賴委員士葆：就像西裝穿起來很fit，他來當衛福部長，那比邱泰源不知道好了幾倍又幾倍，實在就是這樣。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：你趕快講幾句感謝的話。 |
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賴委員士葆：卓榮泰看錯人了，所以才押一個陳時中來當地下部長。 |
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陳院長威明：謝謝敬愛的委員，我可不可以澄清一下？ |
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賴委員士葆：這個你不用講不要緊啦！ |
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陳院長威明：醫學院畢業以後，我就進入輔導會醫療體系，它是我唯一的家，剩下三年多的時間，如果長官允許，我會繼續幹到退休，也不會去爭取任何職位，報效國家，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個不要爭取、這個不用爭取，這是長官關愛的眼神。請問主委，你樂見北榮的院長出任衛福部長，對不對？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：這個表示我們兩個英雄所見略同。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊，今天最喜歡聽的就你這一句話啦！ |
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最後一個是關於選民服務，請主席給我一點點時間，我要講一下。我在立院多年，每次辦這個案子我都掉眼淚，不知道怎麼辦？也找過你們幾次，就是關於國安體系這些袍澤退下來的，一樣是軍人，你跟我是同學，黃埔第幾期的、陸官第幾期的，結果你去陸海空軍，你有配到宿舍，我沒有宿舍，到處陳情，我們的主席也認真在幫忙，眷改基金硬生生的不給啊！國安會秘書長、副秘書長到我辦公室講了幾次，他們極力主張應該給他們配宿舍，但是國防部不肯，這件事你知道對不對？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：不知道。 |
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賴委員士葆：不知道？還找過你耶！你當部長的時候，沒有找到你本人，但是找到你的幕僚，你不知道這個事？就是一樣都是軍人，一樣是陸海空軍官校，但是分配單位不一樣，分到陸海空都有宿舍，分到國安或情報單位卻沒有，他說奇怪，我的同學都有我卻沒有，眷改條例裡面……我每次看到這個事心裡都很難過，因為無解啊！我們立委多認真啊！馬文君召委跟我，我們都一起努力要修眷改條例，但是修不動，國防部就是不給啊！國安會也要給，就是你們不給，退輔會應該給！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：退輔會沒有眷改基金、沒有基地，所以…… |
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賴委員士葆：這是舊的…… |
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馮主任委員世寬：但是我舉單手贊成。 |
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賴委員士葆：你贊成嘛！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：你贊成這些人應該給他宿舍，對不對？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：最少最少要給他一個補救辦法吧！我拜託你這件事，你要不要交給嚴德發這件事情請他處理一下可以嗎？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：好的。 |
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賴委員士葆：六個單位有三、四百戶，他們都垂垂老矣，他們心裡的恨就帶進棺材，我講比較重的話就是這樣子喔！ |
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曹處長東發：委員，我補充一下，我是服務照護處處長。當初這六個眷舍，它是沒有納入到眷改總冊的眷改基地，當初應該是有經過一些調查或一些作業，相關的一些作業可能國防部這邊還是要來解套，退輔會是負責服務照顧，關於他們的問題，我們會協助他們來跟國防部做一些討論，但是追根究柢，這就是在老舊眷村改建條例裡面的，它不是列入在改建的那個基地裡面…… |
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賴委員士葆：我知道嘛！為什麼不列入？一樣都是軍人，一樣都是來自官校，比如說我今天跟馮世寬是同學，為何你就有，我就沒有？我一輩子不平啊！這一輩子的恨就帶進棺材去，真的是這樣子啊！就是那種心情啊！真的，就是國防部一直從中做梗，國安會副秘書長來我辦公室講了幾次，講到氣憤的要命說，明明他們說有、應該給，為什麼不給？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：委員，您的講話讓我深受感動，我看任何的時機，我都會來贊助這些事情。 |
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賴委員士葆：你以你的高度，「馮世寬」這三個字在近代的退輔系統是不錯的啦！所以拜託你了，我們跟主席一起加油，謝謝。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：好，謝謝您跟馬召委。 |
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主席：謝謝，我們儘量來解決。 |
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登記質詢委員除不在場外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。本日會議有羅智強委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄並刊登公報，請相關機關以書面於兩週內答復。本日委員口頭質詢未及答復的部分或要求補充資料者，亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供，委員另約定期限者，從其所定。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告「退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作
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謝謝主席及各位先進有請退輔會的馮主委請馮主委委員恭喜啊您又當選了我要恭喜你還是要聽你惋惜要離開這個位置 |
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我覺得您對我有很多的啟發比如說您競選的時候在CNN都拿我的講話來給您當競選的資料我覺得非常的榮幸因為你講的跟別人不一樣俗話說人之將去這個去是去字你在這個位置其言也善其言也真 |
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我希望你今天我看你今天都笑嘻嘻的每一個人都不為難你我不會為難你讓你暢所欲言好不好但是你講真話講好話就是啊你要不要看一下因為你當過國防部長當過退伍會主委都很吃重的工作了那你要不要看一下 |
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顧立雄這個文人部長你怎麼看文人部長他是第7個文人部長那我在立法院多年了我看到文人部長後面成績不怎麼樣就是包括前面有孫政有陳呂安有蔡明憲是不是還有好幾位文人部長 |
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報告委員前面的幾位文人部長都沒有當過國安會的秘書長 |
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對於國安對於國防可能都會申書所以您會評論他們的表現不是十分的讓人家能夠讚揚但是顧先生我要先聲明我跟他沒有私交除了公務的點頭之交之外 |
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我覺得換一個在國安會當過秘書長的管兩岸事務以及我們軍國防事務的去當部長也是一個新的嘗試。國防可以嘗試嗎?我們可以這麼說 |
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你看他律師當了當這個這個處長會的主委然後就金管委主委國防委秘書長我覺得他好像是十項全能欸你不覺得這個政府對他來講蔡英文對他來講十分壞一路提攜啊 |
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是不是 這個 難道你沒有一絲絲的擔心嗎你就是 其實你不用拍他馬屁吧 對不對我剛才講話有拍他馬屁嗎感覺有一點 我的感覺有一點假如有一點我收回很收回 不要收回啦 你講話講出來就不要收回我今天是帶了很誠意來跟你對話我會珍惜這樣的最後一次的對話 |
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這是第一個齁所以你對他是肯定大於否定是吧我這樣講對吧我覺得他當過國安會秘書長啊比前面的文人直接來當部長應該頗具優勢那你要這樣講陳履安你有沒有當過國防部長他有當過啊對啊那他的背景他爸爸陳陳啊他的軍方背景很強啊他沒有當過兵啊他沒有指揮過部隊啊他是文人部長啊 |
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我們這樣子好了,刮目來看,顧委員是不是,顧部長是不是能夠做得更好?因為他經過國安會這麼多長時間的歷練嘛,這樣子,這個不是拍馬屁吧? |
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李卓人議員 |
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國安部我是盡力了所以我稱自己是100分嘛但是國安部在這個退輔會啊做的時間比較長能夠做一些長期規劃的事這個有成就感也是100分我不敢打100分但是我覺得我的確是努力了你講國安部長100分那你退輔會就代表退輔會做得比較差我都覺得你退輔會做得不差欸 |
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最少譬如說榮總體系就做得很好阿是 謝謝是不是北榮你知道北榮今年阿不得了阿得到世界的排名阿對我要講這個世界排名只有北榮阿抱歉喔其他總榮高榮也很好我只是特別講但是你們沒有入名北榮入名阿是不是了不起阿我都以為這次衛武部長是他你知道嗎猜錯了 |
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報告委員我也是這麼猜測對阿你看你跟我講的一樣我心裡想叫你站在院長就對這部長哈哈哈哈施裝哈蘇哈蘇你聽懂這個意思嗎聽懂聽懂嗎西裝穿起來很fitfit對不對他來當衛務部長那比邱太元好人不知道幾倍的幾倍阿實在是這樣 |
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你們趕快講幾句現話卓龍泰看錯人啦實在是所以才押一個陳時中來當地下部長謝謝敬愛的委員我可不可以澄清一下醫學院畢業以後我就進入輔導會醫療體系它是我唯一的家我剩下的三年多的時間如果長官允許我會繼續幹到退休也不會去爭取任何職位報效國家這個不要爭取啦 |
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這個不用爭取這是長官的關愛什麼關愛的眼神請問請問請問主委你樂見我們北農院長出任衛務部長吧這個表示我們兩個英雄所見略同對啊這個今天最喜歡聽的就你這句話好最後一個選民服務請主席給我一點點時間我要講一下我在立院多年 |
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我每次被這個案子我都掉眼淚不知道怎麼辦找你們幾次就是什麼就是國安體系的這些跑者退下來的 |
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一樣是軍人樓你跟我同學黃埔第幾期的入關第幾期的結果你去陸海空你有配到宿舍我沒有宿舍到處陳情我們的主席也認真在幫忙捐改基金硬活生生的不給啊 |
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國安會的秘書長、副秘書長到我辦公室講了幾次他們起立主張應該給他們配宿舍但是國防部不肯這個是你知道的對不對不知道不知道找過你咧找過你那時候當部長的時候沒有找到你本人但是你的幕僚你不知道這個事就是一樣都是軍人 |
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陸海空一樣是官校但是呢分配單位不一樣分到陸海空都有是不是分到國安會國安情報單位沒有他說奇怪我的同學都有啊我沒有捐改條例裡面這個這個啊我心裡都每次看這個事都很難過就是我們無解啊我們立委多認真啊 |
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退輔會沒有圈改基金沒有基地 |
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但是我舉單手贊成你贊成嗎你贊成這些人應該給他宿舍對不對最少最少要給他一個補救辦法吧我拜託啊拜託你這個事你會不要交給林德發這件事情請他處理一下好不好就是這個叫做叫做什麼 |
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六個單位有三四百戶喔六個單位他們都垂垂老矣他們心裡的恨就帶進棺材喔真的我講的比較重的話就這樣子喔 |
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委員我補充一下我是服務照顧處處長當初這六個捐赦他是沒有納入到捐改總冊的捐改基地那當初應該是有一些經過一些調查或一些作業那相關的一些作業呢可能要國防部這邊還是要來解套退輔會是負責服務照顧他們的問題我們會協助他們來跟國防部來做一些討論 |
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但是追根究柢這就是在眷村改建條老舊眷村改建條例裡面他不是列入在他的改建的那個基地我知道嘛就是為什麼不列入嘛一樣都是軍人一樣都是管校我們同學比如說我今天跟馮世寬是同學對不對你就有我就沒有我一輩子 |
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委員您的講話 |
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賴士葆 |