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152751 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152751 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-22T09:36:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-22T09:44:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ec526bb9f1bdce9d4a21fefd06c96accc1abb13d390ebf8b3b43bbf2d64d2017ef8793f6cc39c8165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:36:09 - 09:44:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具「不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具「土地法第十四條條文修正草案」案。【第三案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【5月22日、23日 二天一次會】） |
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王委員美惠：（9時36分）主席，請政次。 |
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主席：請董次長。 |
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王委員美惠：次長不要緊張、不要怕，國民黨傅崐萁總召說要讓官員找不到位置、不敢當官。但我覺得凡是有理性且對臺灣中華民國未來有抱負的人，一樣會勇敢來為國家做事，因為剛才蘇巧慧這麼說的時候，次長嚇了一跳。但是我要告訴次長，這可能是未來三讀通過後的情況，所以我要在此與次長探討這問題，也請你注意聽、注意回答。這是一種學習，畢竟每一個階段、每一個職務都不一樣，本席也在此勉勵新任政次，期待你、我一起共同為臺灣來做事。 |
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董次長建宏：謝謝委員。 |
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王委員美惠：有關估價師助理方面，我們先講估價師。次長有沒有覺得每一年的估價師錄取率很低？ |
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董次長建宏：有關估價師錄取率很低一事，是因為相關的課程及考試資格的確比較嚴格，但這是為了確保全民權益起見，畢竟整個估價過程對資產有很大影響，所以他們的訓練當然比較嚴格，且考試的狀況也會比較嚴格。 |
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王委員美惠：次長只知道嚴格而已，其實每一項考試都很嚴格，不過本席想討論的是，為什麼一年的錄取率僅有20名？剛才次長說，因為他要做什麼什麼所以必須嚴格，但我認為每一個單位的考試都很嚴格，所以想問次長，估價師的問題到底在哪裡？ |
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董次長建宏：問題關鍵可能包含整個職業訓練過程、學習過程需要比較多的時間。 |
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王委員美惠：本席仔細詢問過，估價師除了要有學分，且須經國家考試、考證外，還要有兩年經驗，並加入地方公會，經過這一連串的過程始能成為估價師。但因為一年僅錄取20名，且大部分都在六都任職，由此延伸出估價師助理的重要性來！現在本席要跟你說，如果立法、法制化之後，估價師的助理去看、去做估價師的工作的時候，他可以蓋印章嗎？ |
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董次長建宏：跟委員報告，我們基於權責的狀況，估價師助理跟其他會計師助理、地政士助理是一樣，他們可以協助業務，但是他們不能負最後的責任，也就是最後責任還是要歸為估價師本身來蓋章。 |
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王委員美惠：說實在的，本席也沒有反對助理的法制化，因為說實在的，現在很多業務有需要，尤其我們都更的業務又更多，所以本席擔心的是，從一開始我們要來修這部法，有人說，這個助理如果以後他可以蓋章的時候，是不是估價師的部分會很嚴格、會更嚴格、狀況會更糟糕？所以剛剛你也有說他不能蓋章，在這裡面，我覺得等一下我們質詢完要好好探討的時候，你們認為有意見、有問題、有擔憂的都要提出來，我們要聽聽你們的意見，因為你們是執行單位。 |
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董次長建宏：是。 |
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王委員美惠：再來我要請教你一下，剛剛蔡易餘立委有提到土地法的部分，你在報告的時候覺得你有什麼困難？因為在南部地方所遇到的，你說變成遺產之後去通知他，15年沒有去繼承之後才會被拍賣，因為他就沒有權利去繼承這些東西了，在通知的時候，現在就是很擔心，就是他在買賣的時候，有的人是針對這個去處理，所以我們會想說去通知他四周的鄰居，就是有需要用到這塊地的鄰居，因為很多會演變為本來路可以走，他就想說老鄰居大家就這樣走習慣了，之後孩子要繼承的時候，他也沒有回來繼承，15年後被賣掉的時候，賣掉之後不准他通行的時候，就要透過訴訟來讓他可以通行，這個過程是很冗長的，所以本席要跟你們說的是，我們要去研議怎樣可以跟四周的人聯絡，雖然你們有所擔憂，本席也有想到，如果在市內有一塊地在公寓旁邊，你要賣公寓旁邊的部分，旁邊整棟；四、五棟；五、六棟，所有人都要通知，這也有困難，雖然有困難，但是你要瞭解提出這個法的地方需求，看看怎樣可以做得更好，政次，不是說我覺得困難我就不做了。 |
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董次長建宏：是。 |
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王委員美惠：有困難的時候，我們就是要去解決，像我在嘉義市也有遇到這個問題，所以我們希望我們的法能夠越修越好，你們沒看到的問題，我們拿出來跟你們探討，你的意見是什麼？ |
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董次長建宏：感謝委員的指教，委員所提的狀況還有蔡易餘委員所提出的狀況，我們都會瞭解也都會注意，詳細的細節是不是等一下修法的時候，我們再一併跟委員做報告？ |
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王委員美惠：好，要詳細去瞭解，因為這種情況真的有發生。 |
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董次長建宏：我瞭解。 |
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王委員美惠：謝謝。 |
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董次長建宏：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝王美惠委員的質詢。 |
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下一位請黃建賓委員。 |
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吳琪銘 |
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蔡易餘 |
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麥玉珍 |
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王美惠 |
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黃建賓 |
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黃捷 |
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張宏陸 |
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許宇甄 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具「不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案」案；二、審查委員蔡易餘
等17人擬具「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具「土地
法第十四條條文修正草案」案 |
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主席、南疆政策 請問董事長 |
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真是的!不要緊張!不要怕!因為胡錦濤總召國民黨說要讓我們的官員出門來擔任各黨委的職務因為我覺得有理性對台灣、中華民國有保護的人我相信你們同樣會勇敢為國家來做事情 |
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吳琪銘立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員吳琪銘 |
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因為本身要幫你探討的,幫你也注意聽、注意回答。這是還是當中,因為每一個改端、每一個進步,都是不一樣的。但是在這裡不用累、心累。 |
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會正式例外大家來共同為台灣來做事情。在這裏面我們有說到說查國書。這個查國書的助理,我們先說延伸去查國書。查國書每一檔的入局,你有覺得很低嗎?來。 |
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吳孝雄相關的估價師的他們的入取率很低是因為他們相關的課程還有考試的資格的確也比較嚴格我們希望能夠確保全民的權益尤其這個整個的估價過程對我們資產有很大的影響所以他們當然訓練比較嚴格報考試的狀況也比較嚴格 |
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真是你剛才嫌棄而已因為當然每一項項目、每一項科技都是很嫌棄的這是本市要跟你討論說是怎樣他有時一年會留期率到20個在這兩天的規定剛才你說的說還有因為他要做什麼要做什麼嫌棄每一個單位課也都要嫌棄 |
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這是你有覺得問題出一台嗎?我相信那個問題關鍵可能包含就是說他在整個職業訓練的過程還有學習的過程,他需要比較多的時間。甚至本學跟你講喔,因為我上次去門櫃 |
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我們就是要有課程、要有學分。經過國家的科治之後,要有兩天的經驗。再來,要加入一定的工會。要加入在裡面的過程當中,還要先為一個查考書。 |
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再來延伸下來．在這個中間一段到課二十個的當中．大部分都是在這個六島．會做的啦．所以我們是怎樣．要延伸說．查國書．的作例．會重要．現在本市要跟你講．若立法法治領後．這個查國書．的作例． |
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他去看、他去做草稿書的考虧﹖他會當對應還是不來﹖ |
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跟委員報告我們基於全責的狀況查顧師助理跟其他會計師助理、地政室助理是一樣他們可以協助業務但是他們不能負最後的責任也就是最後責任還是要歸為顧價師本身來蓋章因為說實在因為本身也沒有反對做你的法治法因為說實在有現在很多人不需要尤其我們都跟 |
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則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員．則不予審查委員． |
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所以說 剛才你也有說 不能反映了啦在這裏面 我覺得說 待會 我們諮詢之後 要好好探討的時候要讓你們有意見的 有問題 有擔意的 都要站出來聽你們的意見因為你們是執行單位再來 我來請教一下 我們剛才蔡議員委員 |
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說的土地法你如果有報告的時候你覺得說你有什麼困難因為比較在南部的所在當中的 |
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因為你說他生了、跟土地他、跟十五年沒去相熟了,我們的法會因為他就沒可能去製成這些東西嘛。土地的時候現在就是很歡樂的。就是他的買賣的時候,有的人是針對這去處理。所以,我們想說, |
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來通知一處平台委有需要用這塊地﹐因為有很多延遲到一本來都可以走﹐ |
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他就想說趕好出兵．大家就這樣走到關西關西．他就想說趕好出兵．大家就這樣走到關西關西．他就想說趕好出兵．大家就這樣走到關西關西．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕好出兵．他就想說趕 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等17人發言．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等17人發言．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等17人發言．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等17人發言． |
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甚至不是說我又覺得有困難我又不做了有困難的時候我們就是要解決像我自己也有回到這個問題所以我們希望我們的法是越修越好可以你沒有看到的問題我們站出來跟你談到這你的意見是什麼來 |
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感謝委員的指教。那委員所提的狀況還有蔡易餘委員所提出的狀況我們都會了解我們也都注意。那詳細的細節是不是我們等一下修法的時候我們再一併跟委員做報告。好。要先去了解因為之中會真的發生。我了解。謝謝。好謝謝王美惠委員的執行。 |