| IVOD_ID |
152519 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152519 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-15T10:39:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-15T10:53:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7786a6f84a6532c0c17cb6acf36ff36d96869206de9aca73abc25b9e10ac7e458d5162d7c243163e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:12 - 10:53:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長率所屬相關單位列席就「總統行使特赦後，該案未沒收之不法所得及停審未定讞案件之處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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傅委員崐萁：（10時39分）主席，請秘書長、次長。 |
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主席：請秘書長、次長。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：委員好。 |
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黃次長謀信：委員好。 |
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傅委員崐萁：我請兩位分別回答，先請秘書長再請次長。對於蔡英文總統在卸任前最後一班車，最後兩天來特赦前總統陳水扁先生的貪污案，請問對我們下一代的教育會有什麼樣的影響？請秘書長回答。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：關於赦免法規定的特赦…… |
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傅委員崐萁：對教育有什麼影響？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：是不是要特赦？如何特赦？我們尊重總統的職權。 |
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傅委員崐萁：這他的職權。本席再請教你，司法就是教化，對不對？是社會公平正義、社會秩序最後一道防線，對不對？請問秘書長，對我們下一代的教育有什麼影響？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這個還是尊重總統的職權…… |
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傅委員崐萁：現在本席沒有問你尊不尊重！你身為一個司法人，你是不是司法人？是不是？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：我當然是司法人。 |
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傅委員崐萁：以你司法的良心請你回答，對我們下一代的教育有什麼影響？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：有些事是不是要這樣關聯，這就各有看法。 |
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傅委員崐萁：秘書長，你站在這位置上，你所代表的就是天平的兩端，也就是代表國家公器站在這裡！所以本席請教一下，對我們的教育有什麼影響？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這兩件事是不是要這樣關聯，就是各有各的看法…… |
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傅委員崐萁：次長請回答。 |
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黃次長謀信：特赦制度當然會對現有判決的效力產生影響，但這就是特赦這個特別制度本來存在的意義，它一定會有影響，不過就有它存在的意思…… |
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傅委員崐萁：什麼樣的影響？ |
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黃次長謀信：中外皆然，舉世皆然，都有…… |
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傅委員崐萁：對我們的教育有什麼影響？ |
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黃次長謀信：當然就是會不會對我們判決確定力、確定判決的既判力產生一些動搖作用，但它就是一個特別制度，不然就不會有特赦這個制度！ |
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傅委員崐萁：對於貪污犯，而且身為總統，他本身是貪污犯，對我們的教育影響多大，次長？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，我的回答還是一樣，憲法上這是總統的特別權力，它一定會產生…… |
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傅委員崐萁：所以本席今天就來請教，第一個問題，竟然代表司法天平兩端，代表這個國家正義的最後防線，連禮義廉恥都講不出來！司法已死！真的司法已死！你們連最基本的人格、人性，連該講的話都不敢講！權位真的有這麼重要嗎？可以遮蔽我們的良知跟良心嗎？可以嗎？秘書長，可以嗎？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：我的回復還是…… |
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傅委員崐萁：不要再跟我講這是總統的權力！ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這兩件事是不是要這樣關聯，各有各的看法，各有各的看法。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，果然民進黨的官就是不一樣！現在判刑二十年確定，所以我們朗讀給全國國人再回味一下。龍潭購地三億元收賄案、陳敏薰買官一千萬元收賄案、海角七億洗錢案，這海角七億哪裡來的，還是搞不清楚！二次金改收元大兩億貪污案，合併執行二十年判決定讞，保外就醫，擬特赦。再過來，國務機要費一點五億元貪污案，在民進黨全體力挺之下，於立法院正式除罪。二次金改國泰併世華收賄三億以及洗錢案，二審判十八年，目前停審當中，請問這判決十八年的停審，有沒有在這次特赦的範圍內？次長？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，特赦案件按照赦免法規定，原則上限於已經確定的案件才有特赦範圍…… |
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傅委員崐萁：對。 |
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黃次長謀信：至於停審這種案件，基本上不會被特赦的效率所及。 |
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傅委員崐萁：謝謝！所以未來還會繼續追嗎？法務部？ |
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黃次長謀信：委員是講沒收部分，還是審判部分？ |
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傅委員崐萁：審判停審部分。 |
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黃次長謀信：審判部分司法院對個案上要繼續…… |
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傅委員崐萁：所以檢察官要表示意見啊！ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，我們剛剛已經跟委員說明了，在個案上，檢察官事實上有表示意見，要根據停審相關的消滅時效規定，有注意到。 |
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傅委員崐萁：這個待會本席再請教你。請秘書長回答。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：停審未定讞案件的處理，原則上屬於審判核心事項，基於審判獨立，由個案承審法官本於權責…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝秘書長。今天到立法院來，你完全就是來這裡把時間消耗掉！沒有關係，本席在這裡陪你。停審當中所謂核心，本席請教一下，當時停審的條件是什麼？請秘書長回答。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：就是以生病…… |
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傅委員崐萁：生病？法務部有沒有提出相關條件？四不，法務部回答一下。 |
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黃次長謀信：停審是審酌，准不准是法院法官的職權。 |
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傅委員崐萁：但是法務部同意保外就醫，且有四項條件，哪四項？ |
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黃次長謀信：那是外界俗稱的，不上臺、不演講之類的，是四個相關規定。 |
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傅委員崐萁：本席再跟你回憶一下。不得參加選舉活動、不得參加政治活動、不得接受媒體訪問、不得參與顯然與疾病無關的活動，陳水扁有沒有觸犯這些問題？有沒有？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，這三十八次展延保外就醫，都有審酌這些因素，個案上臺中…… |
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傅委員崐萁：都有審酌？ |
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黃次長謀信：臺中監獄…… |
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傅委員崐萁：所以法務部跟司法院現在兩隻眼睛都遮住了，都看不到，只有人民看得到，我們的司法看不到？是不是？本席請教一下，108年9月28號陳水扁參加民進黨中央黨部前封街舉行33週年慶臺灣派對狂歡，這跟疾病就醫有沒有關係？請秘書長回答，這跟疾病就醫有沒有關係？有沒有關係？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這些未定讞的案件…… |
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傅委員崐萁：有沒有關係？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：還是由個案法官來…… |
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傅委員崐萁：本席在請教你有沒有關係？這是國會殿堂。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：因為…… |
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傅委員崐萁：保外就醫，請問參加民進黨週年慶的歡樂派對，有沒有跟就醫有關？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這些有些是涉及事實認定…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你不用回答、你不用回答。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：司法行政…… |
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傅委員崐萁：次長，請回答，這是直接跟法務部保外就醫的但書…… |
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黃次長謀信：對，違反保外醫治的相關規定…… |
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傅委員崐萁：參加政黨狂歡派對，有沒有跟政治有關？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，當時…… |
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傅委員崐萁：有沒有跟政治有關？ |
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黃次長謀信：臺中監獄跟矯正署都有審酌相關…… |
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傅委員崐萁：法務部認為這跟政治有沒有關係？ |
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黃次長謀信：這個不在法務部的權限，這個是…… |
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傅委員崐萁：我請教你這跟政治有沒有關係嘛？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟政治有沒有關係？ |
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傅委員崐萁：參加政黨活動跟政治有沒有關係？ |
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黃次長謀信：當時中監審酌時有參酌相關醫療證明，認為這有助於他個人的醫療。 |
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傅委員崐萁：參加政治活動有助於他的醫療？ |
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黃次長謀信：它有很多因素去審酌，包括醫療證明也是。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，108年11月20號陳水扁接受一邊一國行動黨2020立法委員選舉不分區立委提名，他接受提名，這是不是政治活動？次長，這是不是政治活動？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，我回答跟剛剛那個問題的答案其實是一樣的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以你也看不出來這是不是政治活動？參加政黨正式的提名是不是政治活動，不曉得？法務部現在是聾、瞎、啞，又聾、又瞎、又啞？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，這個是臺中監獄跟矯正署的職權，不是我法務部的職權。 |
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傅委員崐萁：當然是法務部的職權，怎麼不是法務部的職權？好，陳水扁參加凱道政治性團體募款餐會112年5月26號，次長，這是不是政治活動？ |
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黃次長謀信：報告，我的答案還是跟剛剛回復委員的答案是一樣，它判準機制是一樣的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：請教一下法務部，剛剛其實謝龍介委員提到的問題核心，你們一直沒有回答，停審有沒有影響追訴期？主要是在問什麼，你知道嗎？ |
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黃次長謀信：有啊，報告委員，我剛剛有回答，它是會影響追訴期。 |
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傅委員崐萁：是對他的追訴期並沒有減少，但對同案的追訴期有沒有減少？ |
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黃次長謀信：看同案有沒有停審，如果沒有停審，它就…… |
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傅委員崐萁：就過了追訴期對不對？不在起訴範圍內…… |
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黃次長謀信：如果沒有停止審判的話，起訴的話是會停止他的追訴…… |
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傅委員崐萁：不在起訴範圍內的。 |
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黃次長謀信：非起訴範圍的被告？ |
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傅委員崐萁：未來可能會被告。 |
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黃次長謀信：會，它追訴期會提前。 |
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傅委員崐萁：就超過了追訴期對不對？ |
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黃次長謀信：對，如果沒有起訴的話。 |
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傅委員崐萁：謝謝。所以陳幸妤講，民進黨誰沒有拿過陳水扁的錢？有沒有共同洗錢？有沒有共同對價？有沒有共犯關係？這些人未來被查出來的時候都已經過了追訴期，陳幸妤講的全國人都知道，你們就是幫他們拖過追訴期是嗎？ |
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黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，這個當時在特偵組查的時候，如果有相當的共犯，理論上，特偵組都會追查。 |
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傅委員崐萁：本席在這裡正告法務部還有司法院，如果你們用這種態度在立法院答詢，在國會殿堂裡面用這種態度，把你們守護國家司法天秤，人民得到保護跟社會秩序的最後一道防線，你們的良知、良心都被蒙蔽，都在這裡做一些違心之論，本席在這裡隆重告訴你，接下來我們還有很多、還有很多我們的應對方式，我們不會就此作罷。 |
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本席要再強調一下，特赦陳水扁是不是成為這個社會和解的一個大家共同來思考的問題，本席可以考慮，也願意尊重，但是免罪、免刑，過程大家一定要講清楚，還有基本上法務部跟司法院的態度也要很清楚。今天對我們的教育影響多大？我們下一代的教育，原來總統可以貪污，然後可以得到特赦，當到了總統都還可以貪污，那誰不能貪污？總統可以特赦，誰不能特赦？我請問一下，以後要怎麼教育我們的下一代？這就是今天兩位在這裡的表率，歷史都會記載今天的詢答。 |
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接下來我們會把其他對應的辦法做相關的準備，但是請各位，不管在哪一個位置，不要蒙蔽了我們的初心，各位當時走進司法界是抱著什麼樣的理想、什麼樣的良知跟態度走進來？今天各位做到的，你的子孫也在看，你的子孫也會在看，這樣做是對的嗎？ |
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主席：謝謝。稍後於林思銘委員詢答之後，我們依照先前的宣告處理臨時提案。接續請林委員思銘進行詢答。 |
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委員會-11-1-36-22 |
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傅崐萁 |
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林思銘 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長率所屬相關單位列席就「總統行使特赦後，該案未沒收之不法所
得及停審未定讞案件之處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席 請秘書長、次長我請兩位分別回答先請秘書長再請次長對於蔡英文總統在卸任前最後一班車最後的兩天來特赦 |
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對教育有什麼影響? |
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這一部分是不是要特赦那如何特赦我們是尊重總統的職權這他的職權本席在請教你司法就是教化嘛對不對是這個社會公平正義社會秩序最後一道防線對不對請問一下秘書長對我們下一代的教育有什麼影響 |
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那就是回復到這個還是尊重總統的職權啦現在本席沒有問你尊不尊重嘛你身為一個司法人嘛你是不是司法人是不是那我當然是司法人那你司法的良心請你回答對我們下一代的教育有什麼影響這個 |
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因為秘書長你站在這個位置上你所代表的就是天平的兩端你就是代表國家的公器站在這裡所以本席請教一下對我們的教育有什麼影響 |
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市長請回答特赦制度他當然會對現有判決的效率會產生影響但是他這個本來這個特色這個特別制度存在的意義他一定會有影響但是他就有他存在的意義什麼樣的影響 |
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所以對於貪污犯而且身為總統他本身是貪污犯對我們的教育影響多大?次長 |
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所以本席在今天就請教第一個問題竟然吶代表我們司法天平兩端代表這個國家正義最後的防線連禮譽連詞都講不出來我們司法已死吧真的司法已死啊你們連一個最基本的一個人格人性該講的話都不敢講 |
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現在判刑20年確定 |
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我們要朗讀一下給全國國人再回味一下龍潭購地3億元收賄案陳敏勳買官1000萬元收賄案海角7億洗錢案這海角7億哪裡來的還是搞不清楚二次經改收元大2億貪污案合併執行20年判決定讞保外就醫你特赦好再過來 |
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國務計要費1.5億元貪污案在民進黨全體力挺之下在立法院正式處罪二次經改國泰並視法收費3億以及洗錢案二審判18年目前停審當中請問一下這判決18年的停審有沒有在這次特赦的範圍內?次長 |
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各位報告特赦案件按照社民法的規定它原章是限於已經確定的案件才有特赦範圍對所以停審這種案件基本上它不會被特赦的效率所及所以謝謝所以未來還會繼續追嗎 |
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法務部委員你是講這個沒收的部分還是講審判的部分審判 停審的審判當然就是司法院他個案上要繼續你檢察官也要表示意見啊公委員報告我們剛剛已經跟委員說明了在個案上檢察官他事實上公職檢察官有表示意見要注意停審的相關的消滅執照的規定有注意到這個待會本席再請教你請秘書長回答 |
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今天到立法院來你完全就是來這裡把時間消耗掉沒有關係本席在這裡陪你 |
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聽審當中所謂核心那本席請教一下當時聽審的條件是什麼請秘書長回答我就是以生病嘛生病法務部有沒有提出相關的條件是不法務部回答一下這個聽審他是審酌準不準他是法院法官的職權 |
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不得參加選舉活動不得參加政治活動不得接受媒體訪問不得參與顯然與疾病無關的活動 |
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陳水扁有沒有觸犯這些問題有沒有有沒有報告這38次的展延的保安就醫都有審酌這些因素啦那個案上台中都有審酌所以法務部跟司法院現在兩隻眼睛都遮住了都看不到只有人民看得到我們的司法看不到是不是 |
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本席請教一下108年9月28日陳水扁參加民進黨、中央黨部前封街舉行33週年慶台灣派對狂歡這跟疾病就醫有沒有關係?請秘書長回答這跟疾病就醫有沒有關係? |
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那這個有沒有關係這些未定讞的案件喔有沒有關係這個還是由個案法官來本席再請教你有沒有關係這是國會殿堂因為保外就醫請問參加民進黨週年慶的歡樂派對有沒有跟就醫有關這些有些是涉及事實認定啦那才我們好你不用回答你不用回答來那個次長請回答 |
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這是直接跟法務部保外就醫的單書參加派對、狂歡派對、政黨狂歡派對有沒有跟政治有關?有沒有跟政治有關?法務部認為這跟政治有沒有關係?我請教你跟政治有沒有關係?參加政黨活動跟政治有沒有關係? |
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當時這個中間審酌是有按參酌相關醫療證明認為這有助於他醫療個人醫療的參加政治活動有助於他的醫療他有很多因素去審酌啦那包括醫療證明也是好108年11月20號陳水扁接受一邊一國行動黨2020立法委員選舉部分區立委提名他接受提名這是不是政治活動 |
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市長,這是不是政治活動?所以你也看不出來這是不是政治活動?參加政黨正式的提名,是不是政治活動不曉得?法務部現在是龍、蝦、亞,又龍又蝦又亞。當然是法務部的職權,總不是法務部的職權。 |
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好陳水扁參加凱道這個政治性團體募款參會112年5月26號次長這是不是政治活動各位報告我的答案還是跟剛剛回復委員的答案是一樣他標判準是一樣的那請教一下法務部 |
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剛剛其實謝榮介委員提到的問題核心你們一直沒有回答停審有沒有影響追溯期主要是在問什麼你知道嗎有啊 報告委員我剛剛有回答他是會影響他的追溯權是對他的追溯期並沒有減少對同案的追溯期有沒有減少看同案有沒有停審啊如果沒有停審他就過了追溯期對不對 |
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所以陳信宇講阿民進黨誰沒有拿過陳水扁的錢阿有沒有共同洗錢有沒有共同對價有沒有共犯關係 |
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這些人未來被查出來的時候都已經過了追溯期陳馨瑜講的全國人都知道你們就是幫他拖過追溯期是嗎各位報告這個當時在特徵乳查的時候如果有相當的共犯主義上特徵乳他都會追查本席在這裡正告法務部還有司法院如果你們用這種態度在立法院詢答國會殿堂你們用這種態度 |
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把你們守護國家司法天平人民得到保護跟社會秩序的最後一道防線你們的良知良心都被蒙蔽都在這裡做一些違心之論本席在隆重告訴你接下來我們還有很多還有很多我們的應對方式 |
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我們不會就此作罷本席要再強調一下特赦陳水扁是不是成為這個社會和解的一個大家共同來思考的問題本席可以考慮也願意尊重 |
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但是免罪免刑過程大家一定要講清楚還有基本上法務部跟司法院的態度也要很清楚今天為我們的教育影響多大我們下一代的教育原來總統可以貪汙然後可以得到特赦 |
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當到了總統都還可以貪污那誰不能貪污總統可以特赦誰不能特赦我請問一下以後要怎麼教育我們的下一代這就是今天兩位在這裡的表率歷史都會記載今天的詢答我們接下來我們會把 |
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其他對應的辦法我們也會做相關的準備但是請各位啊不管在哪一個位置不要蒙蔽了我們的初心各位當時走進司法界是抱著什麼樣的理想什麼樣的良知跟態度走進來那今天各位做到的你的子孫也在看你的子孫也會在看這樣做是對的嗎 |