| IVOD_ID |
152469 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152469 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-13T12:57:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-13T13:08:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d7e25ee5d31e1734ed2aec66b21e5a7cab4a2946638eec232d94006c6d412c4dd45d1968440bc2ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:57:11 - 13:08:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員王育敏等21人擬具「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案。
(二)國民黨黨團擬具「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員陳菁徽等18人擬具「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案。
(四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一)委員王育敏等18人擬具「勞動基準法第五十四條條文修正草案」案。
(二)國民黨黨團擬具「勞動基準法第五十四條及第八十六條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查
(一)委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員王育敏等18人擬具「中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法第九條及第二十九條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員馬文君等22人擬具「中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱若華等20人擬具「中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法第七條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
【一、(三)及(四)案：如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【三、(四)案：如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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主席主席我請一下前序部好主持人 |
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處長我們今天最主要有幾個版本修工會法我個人的看法就是大概在挑戰工人員協會法的表示工人員協會法裡面大概有一些規定是有不足還是在實施上有遇到一些什麼困難 |
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我這樣子講市長覺得有沒有道理?協會法現行協會法是在協商的範圍還有組成的那個條件上一個是組成的太嚴一個是協商的範圍太窄 |
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獻行協會法,所以我們這一次在去年10月30號送到立法院的版本就是把協商範圍擴大把那個參與的門檻降低這是目前修正的方向這樣子 |
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現在我是覺得應該要跟工會法就是這一次一起來討論因為我的理解是這樣子就是公民人員協會法是在規範特別法律關係 |
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公會法是在保護一般的受僱者的權益保障我覺得這個是兩個完全不同的體系可是我們經過幾次修法就把它混在一起了現在那個 |
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因為警察、警消人員是根據警察人員人事條例任用的。警消現在可以組協會嗎?現在可以,但是現在只能在內政部了。將來我們有特種協會,就是專門為消防警察設計的。就是你們消防人員就可以自己組了。 |
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國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案 規定是法律規定的嗎?是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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164.485 |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
是法律規定的嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
167.605 |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
168.205 |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
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是法律規定的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
180.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
201.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
獎項獎項獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎獎 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
202.403 |
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208.985 |
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兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具兼具 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
224.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
225.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
議員陳菁徽等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
238.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
239.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
公務人員協會法禁止教師法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
256.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
264.963 |
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有協會嗎?教師有協會嗎?有教師公會,他是兩軌。接下來這個我就不知道問誰了。警政署跟消防署,誰來? |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
289.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
315.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
副署長副署長號現在是這樣子就是國外呢國外其實其實警消大概也有有組工會前移的例子對不對有沒有罷工權有沒有全世界有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
316.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
338.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
就考試院提到的資料裡面都沒有罷工權。像美國是少數州有條件罷工,英國校方是有比較高的罷工門檻,那其他是限制。多數是限制或者是沒有的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
340.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
352.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
現在是這樣子,我們假如說在工會法裡面讓警消人員成立工會,那他是有罷工權的喔,是不是? |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
353.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
370.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
他有沒有罷工權所以這個部分可能就是我們條文所以我們才會建議用協會法的方式來處理這個區塊比較能夠階段性的進展跟階段性的處理比較有一個方向跟一個處理的一個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
373.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
400.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
是這樣子,假如說立法院是到最後是支持納入工會法像我個人我是覺得應該要徹底的修工人員協會法的落實保障工人員的一定權益我個人是這樣子可是問題是現在工會法已經送進來委員會討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
402.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
418.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
然後沒有同時提出勞資正義處理法。勞資正義處理法裡面是明禁教師罷工的。這個還有一個比較詭異的東西就是禁止勞工罷工的項目裡面列了教師 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
430.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
455.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
教師本身就不是勞工所以這個就是整套法律我們怎麼去規範警消人員真的是很辛苦人力不足這個我覺得你們都必須要帶回去趕快做處理的可是直接納入工會法然後不同時修正勞資爭議處理法這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
460.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
488.086 |
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萬一行使罷工權,我問一個問題,萬一工會法先通過了,老日正義處理法沒有同時跟上,那警消的工會就取得罷工權,罷工期間警消負責了全國最重要的事項, |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
489.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
500.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我舉個例子比如說罷工的時候發生火災然後因為人力不足造成的多出來的損害有沒有國家賠償的問題有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
504.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
511.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
議員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案 案 問題還蠻嚴重的啊。」議員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案 問題還蠻嚴重的啊。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
521.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
522.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
除此之外,會有這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
550.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
551.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
條及第六條條文修正草案案。� |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
559.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
560.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
擬具擬具擬具擬具擬具擬具擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
587.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
597.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
兼修的部分今年開始已經很大幅度調整有在調整有在進步我知道今年已經降到剩下124小時這個我知道不過各項權益保障還是必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
605.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
613.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
議員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案 〈一、二、三、四條及第六條條文修正草案 案 〈一、二、三、四條及第六條條文修正草案 案 〉 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
634.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
635.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
公務人員協會法可能太慢了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
654.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
則太慢,現在就只能將錯就錯,就是再把不是勞工的反正已經有一個不是勞工的教師納入禁止罷工的行列了可能在工會法修正的同時也必須要把相關的人員的罷工權 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
673.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
684.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
兼禁止行使入法,這樣子才不會造成國家治安上或救災上的空窗期。謝謝主席。 |