| IVOD_ID |
152324 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152324 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-08T11:13:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-08T11:20:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9fa9bc2102b9cf712b4f81e2b8fca683f2e1d4ff16295ce236499d1b681a2ac7a736555d495dface5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:48 - 11:20:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等3案。（如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查）
二、審查本院委員陳冠廷等30人擬具「農產品市場交易法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。） |
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1135 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時13分）謝謝主席及各位先進，有請農業部的陳部長。 |
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主席：請陳部長。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長你早。第一個要恭喜你真除了，另外一個要求，我知道你在代理部長這段時間很怕出狀況，好幾個委員跟你要資料都不給，我先跟你講，這些資料都是其他部會來的，我要同樣的東西，財政部給我，關務的東西給我，衛福部給我，食藥署的給我，農業部不給，說是機密，我想你大概就是護你們裡面亂七八糟的事情有功吧，所以你真除了。我就一個要求，拜託你，我們去文要資料可以給嗎？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：我想跟委員說明，以我個人的立場，如果能夠給的資料，我一定給。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然要給啊！ |
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陳代理部長駿季：但是有一些資料不是我能夠決定的時候，我就必須要去請教。 |
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賴委員士葆：農業部有什麼資料……譬如說，我要你進口蛋的資料，這個該給吧？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：對，進口蛋的資料有非常多，因為本身所有的執行都是在畜產會…… |
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賴委員士葆：你不給是你管不到畜產會？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：不是，這個不是管的問題，這個因為它是…… |
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賴委員士葆：請問你畜產會的錢從什麼地方來？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：不是，畜產會有一部分……不是百分之百都是農業部的錢。 |
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賴委員士葆：農業部的錢有多少給它？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：我想會根據計畫方式…… |
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賴委員士葆：一般你一年多少給它？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：就是看每一年執行的情況啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：最少也有六、七、八成吧！看那個比例…… |
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陳代理部長駿季：對，但相對的就是，它沒有辦法…… |
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賴委員士葆：那個你的同仁也要講一下，好不好？畜產會你們每一年平均拿多少錢？占幾成？它的支出多少錢？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：我們大概補八成。 |
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賴委員士葆：八成啊！你給它錢八成，你還講不上話！你還不敢去管它，到底是怎樣！是因為畜產會的董事長以前是你長官還是怎麼樣，才不敢管他。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：對我來講，我不考慮那個。 |
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賴委員士葆：就是因為他從中作梗，你們資料都不給。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，我絕對不會考慮長官叫我做什麼，我就做什麼，我只是…… |
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賴委員士葆：他不是你長官，你才是他長官。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：不是，我是要確認我所給的訊息，第一個要正確，第二個就是說，這個訊息是不是我農業部可以提供的，我大概是考慮這兩點。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然可以提供啊！我現在跟你講，你們的公告農授防字第1121483343號公布了美國有好幾個州，包括紐約州，包括Utah是禽流感疫區。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：結果你11月還進口33噸、53萬顆啊！ |
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陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明…… |
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賴委員士葆：為什麼會這樣子呢？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：沒有，這個資料我…… |
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賴委員士葆：明明就是疫區，你怎麼給它進來？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：不是，這個資料我們一定會提供，我看如果有刊登……因為我現在有一點忘掉，但是我所瞭解的就是說，它公告疫區是一個時間點，但是雞蛋從美國到臺灣也有一個時間點，它如果出口在…… |
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賴委員士葆：對不起，你們的資料，我看得比你清楚，你10月10號公告，結果你11月還有從Utah進來，11月進來14萬噸，12月進來33萬噸，我是客氣，只講12月的，所以不是你剛剛講的那個時間差，都沒有。這個資料是我從財政部找的，你10月公布Utah是疫區，11月你給它進來14萬噸，14萬噸乘以16應該是多少？一百多萬顆啊！然後你12月又給它進來了33萬噸，這是財政部的資料，我就跟你講這個，所以你們嚴重失職啊！為什麼？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：我告訴你，如果是真的如委員所講，就是嚴重失職，但是我相信我們的防檢署絕對不會做這種事情，一定是在資料上面的認知上有一些誤解。 |
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賴委員士葆：那就奇怪了，怎麼都…… |
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陳代理部長駿季：我可以請防檢署……因為今天防檢署的同仁沒來，我可以請防檢署到您的辦公室去確認這件事情。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，來跟我確認。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：我一定會跟您確認。 |
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賴委員士葆：我再一次公布，我再跟你講，去年10月10號你公布了美國好幾個州，包括紐約、包括Utah是疫區，結果Utah 11月進來、12月進來，都一直進口進來。疫區不能進來，你看金門的蛋就是因為大陸是疫區，而不能進來。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，防檢署本身是邊境把關者，它不可能照您這樣講地去違法…… |
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主席：部長，再請農業部跟賴委員說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：給我一分鐘把它問完好不好？ |
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另外一個題目就是，9月的這個你應該知道吧？你們的土耳其蛋還在海關那裡有86萬顆、53噸的蛋，就是說檢驗合格了，沒有報關也沒有進來，你知道這一批嗎？土耳其的蛋。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：您是說去年的9月？ |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！去年9月。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：我記憶中所瞭解，土耳其的這些蛋，是在邊境把關的時候檢測出來的，它並沒有進到我們的市場。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有進來，對。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：對，沒有進到市場。 |
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賴委員士葆：有53萬噸，那現在在哪裡？ |
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陳代理部長駿季：我覺得要確認一下，因為到了9月多、10月的時候有很多也是民間自己進口的，所以我要確認一下您這個訊息是…… |
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主席：部長是不是回去查清楚之後再跟賴委員做說明？ |
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賴委員士葆：土耳其蛋有致癌物質的，你們有沒有求償？已經發生了。 |
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陳代理部長駿季：不是，我們的部分在海關就擋下來做銷毀，至於民間自己進來的，我們還要去瞭解。 |
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主席：好，就請農業部查明，再跟賴委員說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：我的問題，你要去瞭解，好不好？可見得你完全沒有準備！我再講一遍，要資料，我都要不到，財政部、海關，要得到，衛福部，要得到，就是農業部，要不到，你代理部長不敢給，我就認了，但是真除了部長，我會盯著你看，要資料，要給，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝賴委員，謝謝陳部長。 |
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接下來請張嘉郡委員發言。 |
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198 |
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委員會-11-1-19-11 |
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邱議瑩 |
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陳冠廷 |
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陳亭妃 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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林岱樺 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳超明 |
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張啓楷 |
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邱志偉 |
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呂玉玲 |
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陳培瑜 |
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洪孟楷 |
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賴士葆 |
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張嘉郡 |
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蔡易餘 |
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黃珊珊 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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109 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、審查113年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等3案；二、審查本院委員陳
冠廷等30人擬具「農產品市場交易法第三十五條條文修正草案」案 |
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農業部陳部長 |
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那麼一個恭喜你了齁 整除了另外一個要求我知道你在代理部長這段時間你很怕出狀況好幾個委員跟你要資料都不給啊都不給啊 |
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我現在跟你講的這些資料都是其他部會來的。我要同樣東西財政部給我。關路的東西給我。衛福部給我。食藥署的給我。農運部不給。說機密。我想說你大概就是護你的裡面的一個亂七八糟的事情有工吧。所以你徵處啊。我就一個要求拜託你也拜託 |
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我們去問要資料可以給嗎? |
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不過我想跟委員說明齁以我個人的立場齁如果能夠給的資料我一定給當然要給喔但是有一些資料不是我能夠決定的時候我就必須要去請教農業部有什麼資料我都是要比如說我要你進口單的資料這該給吧對進口單的資料有非常多因為本身因為所有的執行都是在續產會那你不給啊你管不到續產會不是這個不是管的問題齁請問你續產會的錢從什麼地方來 |
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不是,區長會有一部分的部分,他不是百分之百都是農業部的錢喔?農業部錢有多少給他?我想會根據計畫方式多少給他?你多少?就是看每一年的執行的情況啊最少六七八成嘛對,但是相對的就是他沒有辦法每年平均要多少錢?占幾成?他的支出多少錢?我們大概補八成八成啊! |
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我跟委員說明齁我絕對不會考慮說長官叫我做什麼我做什麼 |
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當然可以提供啊!為什麼我現在跟你講來你們的你們在公告榮壽房置地1121483343號 |
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對公布了美國有好幾個州包括紐約州包括Utah是疫區是群流感疫區是結果你11月還進口33噸啊53萬顆啊 |
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您要進來呢?為什麼這樣子呢?這個資料我們一定會提供,我現在有點忘掉,但是我所瞭解就是說,他公告疫區是一個時間點,但是雞蛋從美國到台灣有一個時間點,他如果說出口在... |
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來你10月10號公告公告的結果呢結果你11月還有進來U塔11月進來14萬噸12月進來33萬噸我是客氣這12月的12月的這12月的所以不是你剛講的那個時間差都沒有這個資料這個資料 |
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這個資料是我財政部找的資料財政部的資料你10月份公布UTA是一區11月你給他進來14萬噸14萬噸乘以16顆是多少100多萬顆啊然後你12月又給他進來的33萬噸 |
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這是財政部的資料我就跟你講這個所以你們嚴重失職阿我告訴你如果是真的如委員所講就是嚴重失職但是我相信我們的房檢署絕對不會做這種事情一定是在資料上面的認知上有一些誤解我覺得我可以請房檢署因為今天房檢署的同仁沒有來齁我可以請房檢署到您的辦公室去確認這件事情好來跟我確認我一定會跟您確認我再次的公布我再跟你講 |
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10月10號去年的10月10號你公布了美國好幾個州包括紐約包括UTA他是一區 |
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結果U塔十一月進來十二月進來都一直進口進來一區不能進來你看金門的單就是因為在大陸一區就不可以進來我跟委員說明喔防監署本身是邊境把關者他不可能照您這樣講的去違法部長再請農業部跟國安委員說明好不好那我一門就把我問好不好另外一個題目就是九月份這個你應該知道吧 |
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你們的土耳其蛋還在法官那裡有86萬顆在那裡53噸的蛋就是說檢驗合格了也沒有報關也沒有進來你知道這批嗎土耳其的蛋您說去年的9月對 |
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昨年9月我所瞭解齁我記憶中所瞭解土耳其的這些這是在邊境把關的時候去檢測出來的他並沒有進到我們的市場沒有進來對對沒有進來市場有53萬噸那現在在哪裡沒有我覺得要確認一下齁因為到了9月多10月的時候有很多也是民間自己進口的所以我要確認一下您這個的訊息部長是不是回去查清楚再跟那位委員做說明土耳其本有癌症的你們有沒有求償 |
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已經發生了已經發生不是我們的部分在海關就擋下來了做銷毀那至於說民間自己進來的我們還要去了解 |
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臺政部海關要得到,衛福部要得到,就是農業部要得到。你代理部長不敢給,我就認了。但是,真主的部長我會盯著你看,要資料要給。 |