| IVOD_ID |
152312 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152312 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-08T10:35:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-08T10:40:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:04:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9fa9bc2102b9cf71fd036c7592aeb8bc5e31cafebf20a13d36499d1b681a2ac7da277b577d0128215ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:30 - 10:40:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國防部主管預算凍結案等89案。（詳如附件1、6）二、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等16案。（詳如附件2）三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國家安全局預算凍結案等9案。（詳如附件3）四、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，僑務委員會主管預算凍結案等13案。（詳如附件4）五、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管預算凍結案等 14案。（詳如附件5）） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時35分）主席、各位委員。有請國防部副部長，還有外交部次長。 |
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主席：田次長及柏副部長，請。 |
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柏副部長鴻輝：鄭委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：副部長好。中華民國政府從大陸撤退到臺灣，到現在我們中華民國國防部包括軍人或是武器有沒有支援過其他國家？從民國38年撤退到臺灣之後，有沒有？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：報告委員，目前來講，我們在…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是目前，從以前到現在，有吧？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：是，過去到現在為止，我們過去有少數支援的案例。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：有嘛！對不對？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：邦交國比如舉例來講…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對、對、對。 |
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柏副部長鴻輝：比如說我們的直升機贈與行動，或是到我們邦交國去派訓，都有這樣子的情況發生。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，請回座。 |
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外交部政務次長。 |
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田次長中光：委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們中華民國要去協助國外，比如就以協助烏克蘭來說，中共有說不行嗎？有說不行嗎？有嗎？會嗎？你要理他嗎？怕他嗎？ |
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田次長中光：報告委員，這不是怕他。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，第一個…… |
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田次長中光：我們要把一個工作做得好，方方面面都要顧慮到。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：既然我們這邊是列為機密，我問你外交部，中華民國政府要給捷克，從捷克再轉到烏克蘭，或從別的國家、3個國家轉過去，你們在簽的時候有沒有告訴他們說要秘密、要機密、要列為密件，有沒有？ |
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田次長中光：跟委員報告，每個國家的國情不一樣…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：沒有嘛！國情？ |
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田次長中光：每個國家的國情不一樣，他所面對的挑戰不一樣。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你不要用這個，你最起碼先問可不可以？ |
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田次長中光：我們不能告訴他說這個要列密、這個不能列密。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是！ |
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田次長中光：我們從來沒有做過這種事情。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你可以問可不可以啊！對不對？你最起碼表達…… |
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田次長中光：我們對自己國家，我們應該注意的是以這個角度來看事情。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：最起碼你連表達都沒有表達，然後現在已經公開，3月就公開了，這是第一個。第二個，你就問他清單、要什麼，烏克蘭要什麼？烏克蘭要什麼，提供給我，我這邊買好，就直接送去更快啊！更快啊！急啊！多急？很急啊！真的很急啊！ |
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好，我問最後一個問題，中華民國人民為了烏克蘭，去協助烏克蘭打仗…… |
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田次長中光：感謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：打俄羅斯，有多少位？ |
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田次長中光：我沒有辦法馬上告訴你，但是我們有原住民同胞去幫他們打了仗，這一點我們是十分、十分的感激及感謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：結果如何？原住民有多少人？ |
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田次長中光：原住民的部分，如果我沒有記錯的話，大概是1位吧！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：戰死的，你們外交部有什麼協助？剛剛你多麼讚賞啊！那外交部有什麼協助？沒有協助！ |
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田次長中光：我們應該有褒揚，而且給他一些撫卹，這個細節我再跟您報告，好不好？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對啊！這個部分…… |
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主席：曾聖光的案子請會後跟鄭委員報告。 |
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田次長中光：細節我再跟您報告。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不要講得那麼振振有詞！原住民什麼地方都敢去，抗中保臺，我們是最抗中保臺的，所以這個部分我要特別請外交部，他是政務官，我是30年公務員，公務員要有為有守；政務官不對的，你要建議他說：這樣不太好吧！我特別建議我們事務官。 |
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田次長中光：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員，謝謝，各位請回。 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員，鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱委員不在。 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員徐巧芯委員。 |
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王定宇 |
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馬文君 |
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羅美玲 |
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沈伯洋 |
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黃仁 |
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陳冠廷 |
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林楚茵 |
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林憶君 |
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洪申翰 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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徐巧芯 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國防部主管預算凍結案等 89案；二、處理院會
交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等16案；三、處理院會交付113年度中
央政府總預算決議，國家安全局預算凍結案等9案；四、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決
議，僑務委員會主管預算凍結案等13案；五、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國軍
退除役官兵輔導委員會主管預算凍結案等14案 |
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主席．各位委員．有請國防部．副部長．還有外交部．次長．好,田次長．跟柏副部長．請．副部長好．中華民國政府．來到臺灣．從大陸撤退到臺灣．到現在．國防部． |
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我們中華民國的國防部．包括軍人或是武器．有沒有去支援過．其他的國家．從民國．38年車隊到臺灣之後．有沒有． |
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國防部主管預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算凍結案 |
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外交部政務次長我們中華民國要去協助國外比如說我們就以烏克蘭協助烏克蘭中共有說不行嗎?有說不行嗎? |
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有嗎?會嗎?你要理他?怕他嗎?這不是怕他我們要把一個工作做得好我們方方面面都要顧慮到既然我們這邊是列為機密我問你外交部中華民國政府要給捷克 |
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從捷克再轉到烏克蘭．或從別的國家．三個國家轉過去．有沒有告訴他們說．你們在簽的時候．有沒有說要秘密．要機密．要有人密件．有沒有 |
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跟委員報告每個國家的國情不一樣每個國家的國情不一樣他所面對的挑戰不一樣我們不能告訴你這個要列密你這個不能列密我想我們從來沒有做過這種事情我們對自己國家我們的注意最起碼你表達你連表達都沒有表達然後現在已經公開3月就公開了 |
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這第一個第二個你買好你就問他清單你要什麼烏克蘭要什麼烏克蘭要什麼提供給我我這邊買好就直接送去更快啊更快啊急啊多急很急啊真的很急啊好我問最後一個問題 |
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中華民國的人民為了乌克蘭協助打戰打俄羅斯有多少位?我沒有辦法馬上告訴你但是我們原住民同胞也去幫忙打了仗這一點我們是十分十分的感激和感謝結果如何? |
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有多少人?原住民有多少人?原住民部分,如果我沒有記錯的話,大概是一位吧。暫時的你們外交部有什麼協助?你多麼讚賞啊,那外交部有什麼協助? |
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我們應該有保養而且給他一些撫恤這個細節我再跟您報告好不好不要講細節我再跟您報告原住民什麼地方都敢去抗中保台我們是最抗中保台的所以這個部分我要特別請外交部的他是政務官我是30年公務員 |
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主管預算凍結案等16案 |