| IVOD_ID |
151936 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151936 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-01T10:05:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-01T10:12:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75811ef35c27466bc23594d0e57f7127af7b9089f19fa5f77f5010e6307119191e9d41fe4acbdea15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:05:08 - 10:12:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部、交通部、大陸委員會、財團法人海峽交流基金會、原住民族委員會就「針對陸方開放大陸觀光客來台具體回應及作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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王委員美惠：（10時5分）感謝召委，我們請副主委。 |
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主席：請李副主委。 |
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王委員美惠：觀光署副署長。 |
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主席：周副署長。 |
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李副主任委員麗珍：委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：早安，大家好。本席跟你說，中國人要來臺灣，是臺灣反對還是中國反對？你回答一下。 |
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李副主任委員麗珍：他們還沒放啦！他沒…… |
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王委員美惠：沒有，是誰反對啦？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：我們沒反對。 |
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王委員美惠：哪一個國家…… |
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李副主任委員麗珍：臺灣不反對。 |
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王委員美惠：臺灣不反對。 |
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李副主任委員麗珍：我們不反對。 |
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王委員美惠：反對的是什麼人？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：他現在還禁止，禁止他們的人組團來我們這邊。 |
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王委員美惠：就是中國那邊反對嘛？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：嗯…… |
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王委員美惠：但是臺灣人到目前為止，要去中國玩的團目前還有嗎？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：疫情之後，其實自由行或是國人自己組團的，已經可以去了，但是…… |
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王委員美惠：很簡單，跟我回答，到今天為止還有沒有？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：有，3月之後，現在已經有四千團、十萬個人。 |
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王委員美惠：有嘛！ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：是。 |
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王委員美惠：今天5月1日，是不是到5月底我們的團還繼續出團？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：繼續出團。 |
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王委員美惠：繼續出團嘛！ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：是。 |
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王委員美惠：total裡面，如果中國臨時覺得跟臺灣做朋友不錯，加減賺錢，不要對它欺負得那麼累、軟土深掘的時候，它若突然又開放幾個地方，我們有辦法因應嗎？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：可以，沒問題。 |
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王委員美惠：可以，沒問題？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：觀光署…… |
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王委員美惠：觀光署。 |
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周副署長廷彰：報告委員，這個我們已經準備好了。 |
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王委員美惠：準備好了，這句話應該是長久以來，你知道哪一黨在說的嘛！所以你們觀光署說準備好了，就是表示未來陸委會若認真努力去協商、去說，不一定會成耶！所以我們是觀光署準備好了。在這個環境裡面，大家都說臺灣怎麼不開放臺灣人去中國遊玩？本席要跟你說的是，臺灣人都願意我們臺灣人去中國玩，不過它對付臺灣這個國家是「軟塗深掘」，我們才會做出這樣的，剛剛有很多我們的同事說，要怎樣可以讓臺灣的旅行社也好，餐廳也好，很多飯店也有辦法生活下去？你、我及每一個人都一樣，大家都想要生活、經濟更好，所以這個問題的源頭是出在哪裡？副主委說一下。 |
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李副主任委員麗珍：還是在中國政府那邊。 |
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王委員美惠：中國政府嘛！我說，如果比較不會算、比較「憨慢」算的，我們臺灣人要去中國遊玩，一年有176萬人，它現在22萬人，這樣對臺灣人有沒有一點友善？像你剛剛說的對等，就我們根本沒有對等啦！本席剛剛到現在已經說了近4分鐘，問題是，如果中國人要出國，一定要限制他們去哪一個國家，他們是沒有自由的，要他們國家同意才可以出國嘛！ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：對。 |
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王委員美惠：是不是這樣？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：嗯，他們組團可以去哪裡，它有規定的，帶團去哪裡都有規定。 |
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王委員美惠：所以生活在這個臺灣自由的國家，是要保存我們臺灣的權利和……的權利，大家都覺得大家一樣高、一樣大，沒人這樣嘛！所以到目前為止，我們也願意……幫忙講，到現在他說要跟他們……福建來馬祖，剛才也有委員說我們可以開放金門，如果這樣，你覺得呢？ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：現在是大陸方面只開放馬祖，我們這邊本來是哪裡都可以。 |
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王委員美惠：所以說來說去，說了四分多鐘，是中國不讓他們的人來，不是我們臺灣人不要他們來耶！這是最主要的關係耶！ |
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李副主任委員麗珍：現在他們就是有很多條件啦，條件很多。 |
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王委員美惠：本席接下來要問經濟處。 |
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主席：請經濟處葉處長。 |
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王委員美惠：處長，他們有附帶說他們也願意跟我們買文旦，文旦是中秋節才有的，萬一他們進口之後，又說有病蟲害的話，你們有準備好要怎麼處理嗎？你們有想到農民未來可能會面臨的問題嗎？ |
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葉處長凱萍：檢驗、檢疫的問題我們已經有跟陸方提過很多次，依照…… |
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王委員美惠：我現在的意思就是，檢驗我們都說沒問題，去到他們那邊都有問題，你們有什麼樣的防範措施嗎？ |
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葉處長凱萍：農業部已經…… |
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王委員美惠：還是賣他們少一點？賣個意思就好。 |
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葉處長凱萍：農業部有透過WTO的管道還有兩岸協議的管道，都有要求跟陸方溝通，可是他們沒有回復。 |
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王委員美惠：當初為什麼會禁止？他們現在只是提供我們一個資源，我們就在講要怎麼開放，我覺得起碼要把臺灣這個國家保存住，我們不是他們附屬的東西，不是屬於他們的啦！是國家對國家，這個權利要保存住啦！所以你們剛剛講，我們準備好了，他們隨時開放多少，我們就應付多少。以上。 |
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李副主任委員麗珍：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：好，謝謝美惠委員，謝謝。 |
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繼續請黃捷委員質詢。 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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麥玉珍 |
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張宏陸 |
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李柏毅 |
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牛煦庭 |
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王美惠 |
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黃捷 |
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黃建賓 |
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許宇甄 |
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吳琪銘 |
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丁學忠 |
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傅崐萁 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳冠廷 |
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陳玉珍 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請內政部、交通部、大陸委員會、財團法人海峽交流基金會、原住民族委員會就「針對陸方開
放大陸觀光客來台具體回應及作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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我們感謝召委、我們請副主委﹖好,請你副主委﹖跟我們那個觀光署副署長﹖周副署長﹖謝謝來,老闆,大家好在這裡面本是要跟你說中國人要來台灣是台灣反對還是 |
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王美惠議員 |
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疫情之後其實自由行的或是國人自己組團已經可以去了?沒有啦,簡單啦,我回答,到現在為止還有沒有啦?有有,3月之後呢,已經,現在已經有4000團10萬個人有嘛齁?是是 |
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今天五月初一,我們是不是到五月底我們的團要繼續出團?繼續出團嗎?所以在這個總統裡面,如果中國臨時覺得說,哎喲,這跟台灣做朋友不錯喔,就這麼賺錢喔,不要再求偏欠,我們賭博的時候, |
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準備好了,這句話應該是長久以來你知道要代一段話說的嘛 |
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所以在你們觀光署說準備好了就是表示未來我們陸委會你如果認真拍拚去協商去說不一定會成的所以我們是觀光署準備好了的在這個環境裡面大家都說跟台灣人不要開放台灣人去中國出頭 |
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在這人本身要跟你說的就是台灣人都願意我們的台灣人去中國出頭,但他對付台灣這個國家兩頭琴骨,我們才會做出這樣,所以剛才有很多我們的董事會說,說是要怎樣可以讓我們台灣的 |
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還是在中國政府那邊 |
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中國政府嘛齁,在這兩年,我說,若恨不贏算,還恨不贏算的。我們台灣人要去中國出頭,一年有176萬人,而現在22萬人,這樣對台灣人,敢有一點用膳,像你剛才說的,對等,我們根本沒對等啦。 |
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在這裏面本席剛才已經到現在要講四分鐘了問題如果中國人 |
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是要出國一定要限制他們要帶一個國家嗎?他們是沒有自由的,要他們國家統一才可以出國嗎?是不是這樣?他們組團社可以去哪裡,它有規定的,帶團去哪裡都有規定。所以說,生活在這個台灣自由的國家,是要保存我們台灣的權利, |
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來． |
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現在是大陸去旁邊要幫忙做嘛,我們這邊本來就是來哪裡都可以啊所以說,說來說去,說到四分多鐘,是中共不愛他們進來,不是我們台灣人不愛他們進來,這是最主要的關係 |
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主席 |
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處長,在這裏面你也有人在這裏面他有複代一下說他也管他來我們買文旦啦文旦是中秋節到有的啦你有遺憾到萬一如果政告起的時候他再說他有白痴的時候你要怎麼處理來?你有想到農民未來要領那個嗎? |
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檢驗檢疫的問題我們已經有跟陸方提過很多次應該要經過檢驗我現在就是說檢驗我們都說沒問題去到他們那裡都沒問題你有什麼防範措施沒有來?農業部還是賣他們藥的賣他們一個藝術的 |
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農業部有透過WTO的管道還有兩岸協議的管道都有要求跟陸方溝通可是他們沒有回覆因為我覺得這裏面是怎麼的經濟他現在放一個主委給我們我們就要在那裡來說要怎麼開放我覺得最不稀罕要讓台灣 |
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謝謝委員 |