| IVOD_ID |
151927 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151927 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-36,23-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-01T10:06:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-01T10:14:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:30 - 10:14:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員傅崐萁等33人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員傅崐萁等41人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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羅委員智強：（10時6分）主席，有請主委。 |
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主席：麻煩主委。 |
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陳主任委員耀祥：委員早。 |
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羅委員智強：主委，今天質詢你，我只問一個問題就好，你知道問什麼問題嗎？ |
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陳主任委員耀祥：不知道。 |
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羅委員智強：對，我就只問你這個問題，你可以下臺了！下臺！下去啦！ |
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陳主任委員耀祥：委員…… |
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羅委員智強：我質詢完了，我已經質詢完了，下去了！結束了！ |
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主席：我們可以就是…… |
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羅委員智強：時間暫停，他不下去，不用停嗎？ |
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主席：主委可以先下去休息。 |
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陳主任委員耀祥：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：這沒問題，就請下去。 |
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羅委員智強：主席，有請NCC主秘、銓敘部、內政部、教育部、文化部、人事行政總處。 |
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主席：剛剛點到的請上臺。 |
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羅委員智強：今天在司法及法制，還有交通委員會聯席審查的這個會議當中，我第一個要對這個民主之恥、新聞自由之恥、站在國會殿堂上羞辱國會的陳耀祥，表達最嚴厲的譴責，他在這個國會的1秒鐘，我覺得都是對臺灣民主的羞辱。民進黨政府這8年來，我最瞧不起的就是兩個人，第二名是張天欽，第一名就是陳耀祥，這兩個人的差別，一個是已經滾蛋的東廠，一個是還沒滾蛋的東廠。陳耀祥跟張天欽，張天欽起碼還自以為是東廠而洋洋得意，社會撻伐之後就滾蛋了，但是今天直接在這邊傷害新聞自由至深且巨，連民進黨前總統、陳水扁總統都公開表達對NCC關新聞台的強烈不滿，而這樣一個所謂的NCC主委，他還可以在我們的行政團隊、在NCC裡厚顏無恥地霸占著這個職位，然後呢？ |
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今天我們看到陳耀祥，佩服你！他是我們臺灣民主發展的重大恥辱，第一個是什麼？藐視國會的代表。鏡電視調閱小組，剛剛幾位委員已經把所有過去NCC對於鏡電視荒腔走板的護航、荒腔走板的掩護、失去獨立機關的獨立性，我們要開始進行調閱，竟然陳耀祥完全不讓大家意外，我直接告訴大家，在調閱小組成立的那一天，有媒體問我時我就預言了：你能期待這個新聞自由的屠夫、這個踐踏新聞自由的新聞自由殺手，會尊重調閱小組調閱資料嗎？我直接說他不會給資料，他不會給資料，他基本上就是完全不把民主、國會、新聞自由當一回事，連行政院院長陳建仁在我質詢的時候，我印象深刻，我問陳建仁院長贊成政府關新聞台嗎？我連問6次，最後陳建仁終於熬不住說他不贊成關新聞台，政府不該關新聞台，何其諷刺的畫面是，陳耀祥就站在陳建仁旁邊，我仔細的看著這個東廠的表情，波瀾不驚啊！人的厚顏無恥到這種程度，我在你陳耀祥身上是見識了。所以你今天上來，我都覺得是對國會的羞辱，我待會兒就提案譴責你，譴責你今天對於國會的藐視跟踐踏。我在這邊也要問在座的幾位官員，陳水扁前總統曾經公開表達他認為政府不該關新聞臺，行政院院長陳建仁也公開表達他認為政府不該關新聞臺，就像當年的政府不該關報社，所以在民主前進的過程中，報禁解除了。我想請問人事行政總處，你認同陳水扁前總統以及行政院院長陳建仁所說的政府不該關新聞臺嗎？你認同，非常好！ |
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我想問文化部的代表，人事行政總處認同陳水扁前總統還有陳建仁院長所說的政府不該關新聞臺，你認同嗎？你不認同陳建仁院長啊，你可以下去了啦！你也下去了！記住你的名字，文化部的陳宜靜他認為政府該關新聞臺，你是這個意思嗎？不是？那你是什麼意思？上來講話！什麼意思？什麼意思？什麼意思？ |
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陳專門委員宜靜：因為文化部的職司是…… |
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羅委員智強：好，可以，謝謝你。 |
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陳專門委員宜靜：所以沒有意見。 |
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羅委員智強：我就問主秘啦，主秘請上來。請問政府可以關新聞臺嗎？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：公務員行政中立，依法行政。 |
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羅委員智強：依法行政啊？真好回答，跟陳耀祥差不多啦，謝謝你。為難你啦，不期待啦！但至少人事行政總處有勇氣直接說政府不該關新聞臺，連陳水扁前總統都講了，連我們的陳建仁院長都講了，結果文化部不敢表態，主秘你也不敢表態啊！ |
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我再問下一個問題，主秘這你總能回答了，請上來。陳建仁院長答應我說NCC四位屆期的委員屆期之後，他要提名時會把名單先來跟在野黨溝通，你們名單什麼時候提出來的啊？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：報紙上是寫說昨天要提出來啊！ |
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羅委員智強：報紙上寫昨天啊？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：對。 |
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羅委員智強：拜託！你是NCC主秘，你要看報紙？什麼時候送到立法院的啊？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：這個因為不是經過我的…… |
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羅委員智強：你是主秘耶！大小事不是都經過主秘再呈給主委？沒關係啦，有這麼東廠跟廢的主委，你主秘掌握不了狀況也能夠理解啦！溝通了沒？我再問你溝通了沒？你不知道啦，我幫你回答啦，對不對？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：對。 |
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羅委員智強：沒有溝通啊，所以今天陳耀祥你也打臉陳建仁啊！ |
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最後我要說的是什麼？待會兒我就臨時提案，很簡單，留下一個歷史的紀錄，民進黨口口聲聲把鄭南榕的百分之百言論自由掛在嘴上，陳水扁總統諄諄教誨政府不可以關新聞臺，但是就出了一個關新聞臺的陳耀祥，這就是你的歷史定位，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。我這邊再提醒一下，十點半快到了，如果有什麼要提的臨時提案要趕快提出來。 |
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接下來請莊瑞雄委員。 |
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併案審查( 一) 委員傅崐萁等33 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案、
( 二) 委員傅崐萁等41 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草
案」案、( 三) 委員洪孟楷等25 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草
案」案、 ( 四 ) 委員翁曉玲等 18 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案 |
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主席有請主委麻煩主委主委今天質詢你我只問一個問題就好了你知道我問什麼問題嗎我不知道嘿對我就只問你這個問題你可以下台了下台下去了 |
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主席主秘全序部、內政部、教育部、文化部、人事行政總署 |
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今天在我們司法法制還有交通委員會聯席審查的這個會議當中我第一個要表示對這個民主之詞新聞自由之詞我們國會站在電台上羞辱國會的陳耀祥表達最嚴厲的譴責他在這個國會的一秒鐘我覺得都是對台灣民主的羞辱 |
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民進黨政府這八年來我最瞧不起的就是兩個人第二名張天青第一名就是陳耀祥這兩個人的差別一個是已經滾蛋的東廠一個是還沒滾蛋的東廠陳耀祥跟張天青張天青起碼還自以為是東廠洋洋得意社會撻伐之後就滾蛋了 |
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但是今天我們直接在這邊傷害新聞自由自身竊據連民進黨的前總統陳水扁總統都公開表達對這個NCC關新聞台強烈不滿而這樣的一個所以NCC的主委他還可以在我們的這個行政團隊在NCC上厚顏無恥的 |
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法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一． |
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剛剛幾位委員已經把所有過去NCC對於禁電視裡面荒腔走板的護航荒腔走板的一個掩護失去獨立機關的獨立性我們要開始進行調閱竟然陳耀祥完全不讓大家意外我直接告訴大家禁電視調閱小組那一天成立那一天媒體問我就預言了 |
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你能期待這個新聞自由的屠夫這個新聞自由、踐踏新聞自由的新聞自由殺手他會尊重調閱小組、調閱資料嗎我直接說他不會給資料的啦他不會給資料的啦他基本上就是完全不把民主、把國會、把新聞自由當一回事連 |
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行政院院長陳建仁在我質詢的時候我印象深刻我問陳建仁院長你贊成政府關新聞台嗎我連問六次最後陳建仁終於熬不住說他不贊成關新聞台政府不該關新聞台何其諷刺的畫面是陳耀祥就站在陳建仁旁邊 |
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我仔細的看著這個東廠的表情,波瀾不驚啊。人的厚顏無恥到這種程度,我在你陳耀祥身上是見識了。所以你今天上來,我都覺得是對國會的羞辱。我待會就提案譴責你啊。譴責你今天對於國會的藐視跟踐踏。我在這邊也問在座幾位官員, |
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陳水扁前總統曾經公開表達他認為政府不該關新聞台。行政院院長陳建仁也公開表達 |
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認為政府不該關新聞台。」就像當年的政府不該關報社所以民主前進的過程報竟解除了。我想請問人事行政處你認同陳水扁前總統還有行政院院長陳建仁說的政府不該關新聞台嗎?我們的認同非常好。 |
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我請問文化部的代表我們人事行政總署認同陳水扁前總統還有我們的陳建仁院長說政府不該關新聞台你認同嗎認同嗎那你不認同陳建仁院長啊你可以下去了啦你也下去了你下去了記住你的名字我們的陳怡靜文化部的陳怡靜他認為政府該關新聞台你是這個意思嗎 |
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公務員行政總理依法行政 |
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真好回答跟陳耀祥差不多啦謝謝你為難你啦不期待啦但至少人事行政總署有勇氣直接說政府不該關新聞台連陳水扁前總統的話都講了連我們的陳建仁院長都講了其他人我們文化部也不敢表態啊祖密也不敢表態啊那我再問下一個問題啊祖密鄭林總能回答了來請上來 |
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懲戒院長答應我說NCC四位藉期的委員藉期之後他要提名會把名單先來跟在野黨溝通你們名單什麼時候提出來的報紙上是寫說昨天要提出來報紙上寫昨天啊拜託你是NCC主秘你要看報紙你要看報紙什麼時候收到立法院的 |
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這個因為我不是經過我的你是主秘欸大小事不都經過主秘在陳主委沒關係啦有這麼所謂東廠跟廢的主委你主秘掌握不了狀況也能夠理解啦溝通了沒我再問你溝通了沒你不知道啦我幫你回答啦對不對對沒有溝通啊所以你今天陳耀祥你也打臉陳建仁嗎最後我要說的是什麼待會就臨時提案很簡單 |
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剩下一個歷史紀錄明鏡黨口口聲聲把鄭楠榮的百分之百言論自由掛在嘴上陳水扁總統尊尊教誨政府不可以關新聞台但是就出了一個關新聞台陳耀祥這就是你的歷史定位謝謝 |