| IVOD_ID |
151859 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151859 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-29T11:19:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-29T11:28:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90f54132b1096e61a639aac83172e25656dd8af69baafbe3cba397b1f8b3c9cae5225588713dd165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:03 - 11:28:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告「退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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邱委員志偉：（11時18分）謝謝主席，請退輔會馮主委。 |
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主席：請馮主委。 |
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邱委員志偉：今天李副主委在嗎？ |
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主席：沒有，李副主委沒有到。 |
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邱委員志偉：我要好好感謝一下李副主委。請臺北榮總陳院長、高雄榮總陳院長、屏東榮總萬院長。 |
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主席：請臺北榮總、高雄榮總、屏東榮總三位院長。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：委員早安。 |
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邱委員志偉：主委，你辛苦了，過去一段時間為退輔會業務推動，盡心盡力，把所有退伍弟兄的權益，不管是就學、就業、就養，都顧得非常好，也把全國榮民總醫院各項業務都控制得不錯，主委的任期是到520，我看人事好像已經有公布了嘛！是嚴德發、嚴前部長來接任您的位置。首先要特別感謝您過去一段時間在退輔會服務所做出的貢獻跟努力，我也特別要跟您說李文忠副主委的專業，從他在立法院擔任立委、國防委員會長期的資深委員，到退輔會服務，大概有8年了吧！如果沒記錯的話。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：有。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以他對各項業務都熟悉，對袍澤、對同仁的照顧也非常細心跟認真。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：有目共睹。 |
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邱委員志偉：是國家的資產、重要的人才。我也期待他可以繼續留在退輔會為我們退伍的同仁、所有這些退役人員的相關福祉做最大的努力跟貢獻。您支持嗎？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：支持，但是太委屈了吧！ |
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邱委員志偉：這是總統的人事權，這個我不能過問。只是我覺得就他過去所表現的，我們希望他留下來繼續為退輔會服務。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：我非常感謝他。 |
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邱委員志偉：我當然希望他能夠更上一層樓，但是目前人選已經公布了嘛！ |
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另外我要謝謝主委對榮民總醫院的關心，特別是臺北榮總。臺北榮總在陳威明院長就任之後院務革新，我想令人耳目一新，也令人印象深刻。 |
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陳院長威明：謝謝委員。 |
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邱委員志偉：那個叫重粒子的一個……是嗎？ |
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陳院長威明：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：重粒子，總統也去視察過。 |
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陳院長威明：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：亞洲除了東京，日本之外臺灣是第二個，是這樣子嗎？ |
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陳院長威明：其實對岸有，但是我們的機器應該是最好的。 |
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邱委員志偉：我們不期待對岸，期待我們能夠守護國人健康。所以這部分，高階醫療器材也是榮總優先引進。 |
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陳院長威明：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：我也希望不只臺北榮總，是不是未來南北均衡，高雄榮總請主委能夠考量也設置一下以服務南部的鄉親？南北均衡，因為你看一下預算…… |
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馮主任委員世寬：我們已經把屏東總醫院成立了…… |
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邱委員志偉：我知道。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：而且換最好的儀器。 |
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邱委員志偉：屏東、高雄都是一體的。照顧高屏本來就是應該的。 |
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陳院長威明：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：過去因為很多資源都集中在中北部，你看一下過去5年的預決算，高榮是比較委屈，服務的人口數也多，不會輸給臺北，也不會輸給臺中，而臺北跟臺中的醫療資源相對比較豐沛耶！高雄、屏東的資源相對比較不足。所以退輔會應該扮演急先鋒的角色，投入更多資源在南部，特別是高雄跟屏東。你看年度預算，高榮的預算只有北榮的三分之一左右，大概是中榮的一半。你看這個預決算、有一個表，所以我希望能夠逐年增加高榮的預算。 |
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高榮陳院長，您同意嗎？ |
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陳院長金順：謝謝邱委員，因為我們3家榮總是基金作業，所以我們的醫療量能…… |
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邱委員志偉：我知道，我當然瞭解，我也在國防委員會擔任過3次召委，這個部分需要從上而下，如果支持的話，你基金…… |
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陳院長金順：我們高榮會努力，會把那個…… |
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邱委員志偉：基金可以再充裕嘛！ |
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陳院長金順：對，是。 |
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邱委員志偉：長期以來，是希望北、中、高3家榮總的預算不要差距太多，它基金的規模也不要差距太多。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：報告委員，我們非常樂意，樂見高雄榮總把聯合醫院也拿來一起經營，這樣子等於照顧了高雄北部許多的民眾，這些地方我們都在努力中。 |
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邱委員志偉：其實你可以做個不記名的民調，如果就立法院的國會議員，對於不管是部立醫院也好，國軍醫院也好，或者榮總、私立醫療院所，信任度最高的我相信應該是榮總系統，我相信啦！人不舒服或者比較有比較急迫性的問題，大概第一個念頭都想到榮總。我在高雄也是，需要什麼協助，當然有很多是選民，不是我個人的問題而已，有很多是選民服務，特別是北榮的葉麗玲非常認真，只要所有國會議員打給他，每一件都服務得很好，而且立即回報，讓我們很安心也很放心。高榮的李文瑛女士也是一樣，第一層在為國會聯絡的這些同仁要給予嘉勉、給予鼓勵，他們最辛苦！113個立法委員，像我這樣溫良恭儉讓的算是少數，疾言厲色的很多。他們是秉持耐心為選民或者國會來協助服務，我想特別要跟葉麗玲女士、李文瑛女士表示感謝。 |
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另外，高雄跟屏東榮民醫院，會不會有競合的問題？所謂競合就是人才競合的問題，現在草創之期，屏榮很多的資源、人才或者醫師，大部分是從高榮借調，這非長久之計！你那個餅就那麼大，醫師就那麼多，如果借調到屏榮，固然是好事一樁，協助趕快上軌道，但是高榮的能量就會因此降低。主委，你要去思考這個問題，怎麼樣…… |
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馮主任委員世寬：報告委員，我知道的是狀況比外面想像得要好很多，因為我最近才去過高榮，我特別問陳院長在資源上或者協調上有沒有問題，陳院長馬上講沒有問題，而且吳院長跟我也很熟。所以這些方面，我想委員關心是非常好，我們中間要把它做得更好。 |
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邱委員志偉：包括臺大有個醫學院，其他的部立醫院也有合作的對象，那我們主要是跟陽明大學合作嗎？就是榮總醫師進用跟培育的主要來源是…… |
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陳院長威明：報告委員，榮總體系的醫師來自全國各醫學院，但是因為北榮距離陽明的話，剛好在隔壁，有一半以上的醫師來自陽明交大。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以對醫師人才的增補或者進用，全國醫學院都可以？ |
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陳院長威明：對。 |
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邱委員志偉：他的qualify可以…… |
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馮主任委員世寬：是的。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以我點出這個問題，主委，這個你也瞭解。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：好。 |
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邱委員志偉：希望不要造成兩個醫院的互相支援的這個……不要說排擠，就是不足的部分。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：主席站起來了，再給我25秒鐘。岡山榮家，因為榮家的地方也大，而公托一直都不夠，除了現在榮家這些長輩的照護之外，是不是可以在多餘的空間開設一個幼兒園？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：我們非常歡迎的，因為我們有3處非營利幼兒園已經設立了，效果良好。 |
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邱委員志偉：對，高雄榮家、花蓮榮家跟馬蘭嘛！ |
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馮主任委員世寬：對。 |
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邱委員志偉：岡山榮家條件也不錯，1個月之內是不是請主委責成相關主管人員做評估？ |
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馮主任委員世寬：這還要協調教育部，所以1個月不夠。 |
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邱委員志偉：3個月。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：好。 |
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邱委員志偉：那我希望在今年能夠順利開設岡山榮家的幼兒園。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：好，謝謝主委。 |
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馮主任委員世寬：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：主委，你承諾很多「3個月」喔！ |
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接下來請洪孟楷委員，洪孟楷、洪孟楷委員不在。 |
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請林憶君員上台質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告「退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作
為」，並備質詢 |
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臺北農總陳院長北雄陳院長高雄農總陳院長高雄屏東農總關院長高雄屏東兩位院長謝謝 |
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主委辛苦了過去一段時間為退伍會業務推動所以說盡心盡力把所有的退伍的這些弟兄的權益不管是就學就業就養都顧得非常好也把這個全國的農民總醫院各項業務都這個控制得不錯那主委的任期是到520我看人事好像已經也公布嘛是嚴德發 |
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委員前部長來接任您的位置首先要特別感謝您過去一段時間在退輔會服務所做出的貢獻跟努力我也特別要跟您說李文中副主委他的專業 |
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從他在立法院擔任立委 國安委員會長期的資深委員到退輔會服務大概有8年了吧 如果沒有錯的話所以他對各項業務都熟悉 然後這個對跑者對同仁的照顧 |
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您支持嗎?支持但是太委屈了吧 |
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這是總統人事權 這個不能顧問就是說就他過去所表現我希望他留下來繼續為退伍會來服務我非常感謝他我當然是希望他能夠更上一層樓但是目前人選已經公布了嘛那這個另外 |
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我要謝謝這個主委對這個龍明總醫院的關心特別是臺北龍總臺北龍總在我們陳威名院長的就任之後這個院務革新我想令人耳目一新引人印象深刻那個叫重粒子的一個是嗎是 |
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重例子那總統也去視察過那是只有除了亞洲除了東京之外日本之外臺灣是第二個是這樣子嗎其實對岸有但是我們的機器應該是最好的我們不期待對岸但是現在我們這個能夠為國人健康來守護所以這部分這個高階的這個醫療器材也是榮總這個優先引進 |
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那我也希望說不只臺北榮總是不是未來南北均衡啊高雄榮總也是不是請諸位能夠考量也設置一下服務南部的鄉親啊 |
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這南北均衡啊,因為你看一下預算我們已經把屏東總醫院成立了我知道啦,屏東高雄都是一體的照顧高屏本來就是應該的過去因為很多資源都集中在中北部你看一下這過去五年的預決算 |
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這個高榮是比較委屈的服務的人口數也多也不會輸給台北也不會輸給台中那台北跟台中的相對醫療資源相對比較豐沛那高雄屏東的這個資源相對比較不足所以退伍會應該扮演這個急先鋒的角色 |
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委員會主任委員 |
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陳院長,您同意嗎?謝謝邱委員,因為我們三家榮總是基金作業我知道了,我也在國防委員會,他任過三次的召委,這個部分需要從上面,從上而下如果支持的話,基金可以再充裕嘛長期以來是希望說,三家北中高榮總他的預算不要差距太多,他基金的規模也不要差距太多 |
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報告委員,我們非常樂意樂見高雄榮總把聯合醫院也拿來一起經營,這樣子等於照顧了這個高雄北部 |
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許多的這個民眾我想這些地方我們都在努力其實你可以做一個這個不記名的這個民調如果就立法院的這個國務委員來對不管是部立醫院或者是這個部立醫院或者是國軍醫院或者是這個榮總或者是私立醫療院所信任度最高的我相信應該是榮總系統我相信 |
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所以特別是北農的那個麗玲啊葉麗玲非常認真啊 |
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所有的慷慨只要所有國務院打給他的每一件都服務的很好而且立即回報讓我們很安心也很放心高榮的李文英女士也是一樣第一層的為國會聯絡這些同仁要給予加冕給予鼓勵你最辛苦113個立法委員像我這樣溫良恭儉讓的算是少數 |
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很多激烈吝嗇的很多他們的秉承耐心來為這個選民或者是為國會來協助服務我想特別要跟這個葉麗玲女士跟李文英女士表示感謝那另外高雄跟屏東農民醫院的這個會不會有這個進合的問題所謂進合的問題就是說人才進合的問題 |
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那現在草創之期這個屏隆這個很多的這個資源或者人才或者醫師大部分是從高隆借料那這非常久之際啊你那個餅就那麼大醫師就那麼多那你如果借料到高隆借到到屏隆當然固然是好是一種協助趕快上軌道但是這個高隆的能量就會因此降低 |
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這個主委你要去思考這個問題怎麼樣委員 我知道的是狀況啊比外面想像的要好很多因為我最近才去過高融我特別問陳院長我在資源上或者協調上有沒有問題陳院長馬上講沒有問題而且吳院長跟我也很熟所以這些方面呢我想委員關心是非常好我們中間要把它做得更好 |
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所以就我們跟這個包括台大有大醫學院其他的這個部立院有合作的對象那我們主要是跟這個是跟陽明合作嗎 |
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是跟陽明大學合作嗎?我們的醫師的培育啊就是說榮總醫師的經驗跟培育主要來源是這個報告委員榮總體系的醫師來自全國各醫學院但是因為北榮離陽明剛好在隔壁有一半以上的醫師來自陽明交大 |
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所以對醫師的這個人才的這個這個增補或者是禁用都是全國各醫療醫學院所有醫學院都可以對所以他的可以所以我的確點出這個問題那這個主委你也了解希望能夠不要造成說兩個醫院的互相支援的這個不要說排擠就是不足的部分 |
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那那個岡山農家這個主席站起來再給我25秒鐘這個岡山農家是不是可以因為農家的地方也大地方也大是不是可以因為這個幼兒園這個公托一直都不夠是不是除了我們現在的農家這些長輩的照護之外是不是可以在多餘的空間開設一個幼兒園 |
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我們非常歡迎的,因為我們已經有三處非營地幼兒園設立了,效果良好。高雄農家、花蓮農家跟馬蘭,那岡山農家條件也不錯,是不是一個月之內請主委責審我們相關主委人員去做評估?這還寫到教育部,說一個月不夠。 |
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主席 |