| IVOD_ID |
151740 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151740 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-25T10:37:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-25T10:49:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/37a05b44d500ce153e7234010ae5be21c97d93183120460dc68e374cd8c4bed04d60f788256e38ee5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:49 - 10:49:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、法務部、原住民族委員會、內政部、衛生福利部就「就業服務法上路逾三十年，針對就業促進、歧視禁止、外國勞動力權益保障等面向進行全面檢視」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月22日、24日及25日三天一次會】） |
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蘇委員清泉：（10時37分）謝謝主席，我請部長。 |
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主席：請許部長。 |
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許部長銘春：蘇委員好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：部長辛苦了。 |
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許部長銘春：不會。 |
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蘇委員清泉：功成身退。 |
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許部長銘春：謝謝。 |
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蘇委員清泉：希望很快就有高就、更好的位子。 |
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我今天有一個問題先請教，在南部或者全臺灣，一般肉類的冷鏈加工屬於A級，他們聘請外勞，是其員工總數的25%…… |
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許部長銘春：核配比率…… |
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蘇委員清泉：沒錯嘛？ |
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許部長銘春：對，冷凍冷藏，我看這邊是25%沒錯。 |
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蘇委員清泉：這個照片是我們的第一批石斑魚，從興達出發，我去跟他們加油打氣、活魚運搬。現在的水產加工，尤其在高雄跟屏東，他們也都用冷鏈，而職業別就不行，我這裡要求是不是能比照肉品？因為一樣都是全程冷鏈，所以這些比率能不能也給他們調成25%，這個要求不過分啦！他們也都在…… |
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許部長銘春：報告委員，這個部分是在經濟部工業局產發署，行業分級是他們在評估，我會把委員的意見轉達給他們，認為可以的話，請他們也能夠做一些檢討調整。 |
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蘇委員清泉：因為現在真的是缺人缺得很嚴重，像這一種，我前天去看我們殺豬的，殺豬也一樣，那也是整個都凋零，從頭到尾，臺灣的小孩沒人要做啦！ |
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許部長銘春：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：薪水也不錯啊！相對的，合法的工廠不敢聘非法外勞，而一般打零工的，譬如農業是今天要幾個就來幾個。我覺得，這些逃跑的外勞跟合法的外勞是臺灣安定的最大力量，我這裡要給移工最大的肯定，我們不能再有任何的歧視等，什麼都不行，因為他們真的對我們的貢獻太大了。 |
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許部長銘春：是。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我跟大家報告，現在農村都老化，非法的也好，如果沒有這些移工幫忙的話，根本動不了，在高樹、恆春都一樣，我們看了都很感動。當然勞動部這邊能配合的就要儘量配合，能夠讓他們身分變正常是應該的。 |
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再來就是我們要提高他們的待遇，事實上，現在那些逃跑的移工、外勞每天是計日的，做一天就1,500、2,000，有的到兩千多，所以他們比計月工作的更高，這已經很高了！比起人家基本工資才2、3萬塊，對不對？他們一天就可以拿到1,500、2,000，一個月就5、6萬跑不掉，所以他寧可跑掉，這個是很糟糕的事情！部長，你要卸任，但你要看看怎麼做。 |
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許部長銘春：這個我們持續在檢討，不過說實在，這些失聯移工雖然看起來領日薪滿高，但是他有風險，也可能會被剝削，然後也沒有社會保險、勞健保什麼的，其實說起來也是處境堪慮啦。所以我們希望都是合法引進，希望我們的雇主善待這些合法移工，給他應有、合理的薪資，這樣才能夠留住人。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我看我們高雄、屏東這些產業，包括做食品、做肉類以及漁業，事實上他們很善待外籍移工，你要跟我說會看到什麼凌虐、霸凌，我在這邊鄭重講，我沒有看到，而且還會塞一些bonus給他們！因為不善待他們就找不到人呀，真的找不到人！而且這個需求量很大，所以這個政策還是要與時俱進，薪水太低就沒有人要來啦！我們現在的移工最主要來自菲律賓，還有呢？ |
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許部長銘春：菲律賓、印尼、越南還有泰國。 |
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蘇委員清泉：泰國就少了吧？ |
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許部長銘春：對，現在比較少了。 |
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蘇委員清泉：泰國自己在發展產業。 |
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許部長銘春：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以你現在要引進印度的移工嘛？ |
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許部長銘春：是。 |
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蘇委員清泉：那我們初期是要引進多少人？ |
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許部長銘春：人數還沒有確定，因為我們要看各產業的需求，我們會邀目的事業主管機關，像經濟部、衛福部、農業部及內政部來討論大概有多少需求，然後再來決定。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我跟部長講，事實上，東南亞這些國家都有混了一點點華人的血統，比較有華人文化，他們生活習性還可以跟我們compatible，有一點點混合。有關印度的移工，印度因為是高加索人，在醫學、人類學上我們就是蒙古系，那邊是高加索系，高加索人的生活習慣、宗教跟我們完全不一樣。那你要引進印度的移工進來，當然缺人啦，也要讓引進來源多元化，但你有沒有想到他們的生活方式、觀念跟我們不一樣，大家也對印度還有很多的疑慮，勞動部這一塊是怎麼補強？你總不能把他引進來就丟給仲介，仲介沒有能力、他沒有能力！ |
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許部長銘春：報告委員，我們其實也會透過召開諮詢會議讓社會各個團體、專家學者來參與對話，讓大家對印度的部分提出希望我們再來做一些怎麼樣的規劃，也讓大家能夠對印度更瞭解，然後對印度移工素質的部分能夠予以肯定、有信心，這個部分我們會持續召開會議，也會透過各種方式讓我們的民眾能夠瞭解。 |
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蘇委員清泉：這個要加強。 |
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許部長銘春：是，會。 |
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蘇委員清泉：因為印度在國際上習性、風評不太好，不能講這有歧視，沒有歧視啦！ |
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許部長銘春：但是不會耶，報告委員，其實全世界的印度移工大概有1,800萬分布在世界各國，白領的部分臺灣就有兩千七百多人在這裡，其實印度移工的素質在世界各國都滿受肯定的，像日本去年已經跟它簽MOU、現在韓國也在談，我們是第二個跟它簽的，所以這部分我覺得大概……但是大家所關心的、擔心的我們都會透過對話去化解疑慮。 |
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蘇委員清泉：你要兩方調適。 |
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許部長銘春：對。 |
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蘇委員清泉：進來這邊不能把他丟給一些仲介業者去磨合，我覺得這個很危險！ |
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許部長銘春：對！這個部分我們會加強。 |
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蘇委員清泉：還有你們跟印度談MOU，一直都是保密嘛，保密、保密！我們很多同仁都跟我反映，跟你們要什麼都沒有、什麼資料都沒有，都保密！到底我們跟印度的狀況如何？是印度很支持我們還是怎麼樣？ |
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許部長銘春：報告委員…… |
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蘇委員清泉：我看印度也沒有在幫我們講話啊！ |
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許部長銘春：沒有啦！委員，這種MOU在程序完成之前都是保密的，我們也不是只有針對印度，之前4個國家都是這樣，還有其他各部會跟人家簽的MOU也是都這樣，完成之後行政院自然就會公布啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：所以沒有比較特別？ |
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許部長銘春：而且它只是一個大原則而已，委員看那個條文就很簡單。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我看有13條，都寫得很籠統。 |
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許部長銘春：13條嘛，那是一個原則，就是大家有一個意向書、把大原則先談定下來，後面的工作層級會議才是重點，那才會有實質內容出來。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我看印度也很少提到臺灣、很少幫臺灣講話，所以我們這樣一頭熱…… |
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許部長銘春：有喔！我們其實…… |
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蘇委員清泉：幫臺灣講話的只有印度神童，他都亂講！ |
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許部長銘春：沒有啦，委員，其實我們現在跟印度之間的交流還滿密切的，包括經濟、經貿的投資等等，甚至包括醫藥方面也都有，所以…… |
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蘇委員清泉：印度的學名藥的原料藥占全世界將近30%，中國大陸將近50%，所以這2個國家加起來占全世界學名藥的原料藥供應將近80%；印度的原料藥的原料、更原始的原料還跟中國大陸買，所以這整個都卡死！所以美國說要修理中國大陸，如果原料藥不給它，我看它抗生素第二代、第三代都沒有藥啦，所以講那個事情都是錯綜複雜，沒有像我們想得那麼簡單啦！ |
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勞動部這一塊關於引進外國移工，因為現在來源國越來越少，所以我們還是要廣一點！ |
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許部長銘春：是。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我有去談過緬甸耶，後來沒有簽嘛，可以再加強這一塊，他們也很喜歡來。 |
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許部長銘春：緬甸我也覺得很可惜，其實我們勞動部之前已經談到某個階段了，但是沒有辦法！會有一些…… |
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蘇委員清泉：我在第8屆的時候還去跟他們農業部……當然是我們這邊農委會請我順道一起去啦，談得滿可以，但後來就沒有成，所以這個可以加強，緬甸5、6千萬人而且近，因此可以廣收各個來源國，不然臺灣真的缺工、缺料、缺專家越來越嚴重！只會越嚴重啦，不會改善！ |
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許部長銘春：報告委員，我們其實不放棄啦，雖然過去談了、後來觸礁，我覺得不放棄啦，我們會持續透過外交部來評估…… |
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蘇委員清泉：外交部做不到的我們也可以幫忙。 |
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許部長銘春：好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，謝謝！ |
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許部長銘春：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝蘇清泉委員。 |
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現在休息10分鐘。 |
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休息（10時49分） |
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繼續開會（10時59分） |
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主席：現在繼續開會。 |
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請鄭天財委員發言。 |
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黃秀芳 |
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陳昭姿 |
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林月琴 |
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王育敏 |
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陳菁徽 |
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邱鎮軍 |
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涂權吉 |
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王正旭 |
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蘇清泉 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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林淑芬 |
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黃國昌 |
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麥玉珍 |
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洪孟楷 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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牛煦庭 |
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張啓楷 |
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吳春城 |
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何欣純 |
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陳瑩 |
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劉建國 |
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林倩綺 |
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盧縣一 |
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翁曉玲 |
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羅智強 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請勞動部部長、法務部、原住民族委員會、內政部、衛生福利部就「就業服務法上路逾三十
年，針對就業促進、歧視禁止、外國勞動力權益保障等面向進行全面檢視」進行專題報告，並備
質詢 |
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好,謝謝主席。我請部長。請許部長。蘇委好。部長辛苦了。功成身退了。謝謝。希望很快就有高就,更好的位置。好,我今天有一個問題先請教。在南部或者全台灣,我們一般做肉類的 |
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兩年加工的他病情外的屬於A級嘛那他們病情外老是他的員工總數的25% |
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現在的水產加工在高雄跟屏東 |
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他們也都是用冷鏈那你職業別你就不行我自己要求是不是能比照弱品因為一樣都是全程都冷鏈所以這些的比例能不能給他們調整25% |
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這個要求不過分啦。因為這個部分是經濟部工業局的產發署,行業分級是他們在評估。我會把委員的意見轉達給他們,認為如果有就是可以的話,我們這邊請他們也能夠做一些檢討調整。 |
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因為現在真的是切人切得很嚴重齁,這一種我昨天、前天去看我們台滴啊,台滴也一樣齁,那也是整個都都冷卻,從頭到尾,這台灣的孩子沒有人要做啦。 |
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行事也不錯所以也相對的就是他拼不到合法的工廠他不敢去拼非法的外勞一般打零工的譬如說農業的今天要幾個就來幾個 |
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我覺得這些逃跑的外勞跟合法的外勞是台灣安定的最大力量我這裡要跟我們外移工做最好的肯定我們不能再有任何的歧視再有任何什麼都不行因為他們真的對我們的貢獻太大了我跟大家報告那個如果現在農村都老化如果沒有這些 |
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好啦!廢話好啦!這些移工來幫忙的話根本動不了在高速啦、在恆春啦都一樣所以我們看的都很感動啦那當然勞動部這邊能配合的就要盡量來配合 |
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能夠讓他們那個身份留在來的身份變成正常是應該的啦然後再來就是我們要提高他們的待遇事實上現在那些 |
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逃跑的移工外勞他們的每天是忌日的。做一天就穿五、兩千、回到兩千多。所以他們比吃陶爐、吃粿仔還要高。那麼高,我們現在畢竟在採用基本工資。 |
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兩、三萬塊對不對那一天就可以拿到一千五、兩千一個月就五、六萬跑不掉啊所以那寧可跑掉啊所以這個是很糟糕的事情部長你要限制你要看看怎麼做 |
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這個我們持續在檢討不過說實在這些私領移工他雖然看起來零日薪蠻高但是他沒有任何他有風險啦然後也可能會被剝削然後也沒有社會保險勞健保什麼的其實說起來也是處境也是慷慮啦所以我們都希望都是合法引進然後希望我們的雇主針對這些合法移工善待給他應有的合理的薪資這樣才能夠留住人 |
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我看我們在高雄屏東這些產業如果做食品的做肉類的、魚類事實上他們對外籍外籍移工上面是很善待你要跟我講說會看到什麼什麼什麼林內霸林我告訴你我在這邊贊重講我沒有看到而且還會塞一些一些摩納斯給他們因為他們 |
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我們現在的移工最主要來自 |
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菲律賓、印尼、越南還有泰國。所以你現在就是要引進印度的移工。那我們初期是要引進多少人? |
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人數還沒有確定因為我們要看各產業的需求我們要目的世界主管機關像經濟部、衛福部、農業部、內政部來討論說大概有多少需求然後再來決定我跟部長講事實上因為東南亞這些國家 |
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印度的移工,印度因為是高加索的 |
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那你要引進印度的移工進來 |
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當然缺人啦吼那引進讓那個來源多元化但是你有沒有去想說他們的生活風險觀念跟我們不一樣吼那大家也對印度的還有很多的疑慮那勞動部這一塊是怎麼補強 |
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你怎麼不能把它引進來就丟給仲介,仲介沒有能力,他沒有能力。對啦,包委員所以我們其實也會透過的召開諮詢的會議讓社會大家各個團體專家學者來參與對話,讓大家對印度的部分提出給我們一些 |
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希望我們再來做一些更怎麼樣的規劃讓大家能夠來對印度更瞭解然後在對於印度的移工的數值的部分能夠予以來肯定有信心這個部分我們會持續的召開會議也會透過各種方式來讓我們人民眾能夠瞭解這個要加強因為印度那個國際上一些風評習性風評不太好 |
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但是不會的,報告委員,其實大概全世界的印度移工有1800萬分布在各個世界各國那白頂的部分在台灣就有2700多人在這裡其實印度移工的數字在世界各國都蠻受肯定的你現在日本去年已經跟他簽MOU,現在韓國也在談 |
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我們是第二個跟他簽的然後所以這部分我覺得大概但是大家所關心的、擔心的我們都會去化解大家疑慮透過對話你要兩方調適那進來這邊我不能把它丟給一些仲介業者去在磨合的時候我就覺得這個是很危險的這個部分我們會加強還有你們跟印度談MOU |
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委員這種MOU在 |
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就是程序完成之前都是保密的我們也不是只有針對印度之前引進之前4個國家都是這樣還有其他我們各部會跟人家簽MOU也是都這樣完成之後行政院自然就是會公布啦所以沒有只有比較特別而且它只是一個大原則而已我一看它條文就很簡單我看你13條 |
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13條嘛那是一個原則就是說大家一個意向書把大原則先談定下來後面的工作成績會議才是重點那才會有實質內容出來我看印度很少提到台灣很少幫台灣講話所以我們這樣一頭熱會幫印度當台灣講話只有印度神統 |
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中國大陸將近 |
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所以這兩個國家加起來占全世界學名要的原料要供應將近80%那印度的那個原料要的原料跟原始的原料還跟中國大陸拿所以這個整個都是卡死所以美國說要修理中國大陸原料不給他我看他抗生素第二代第三都沒有要 |
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所以講那個事情都是錯綜複雜,沒想到想那麼簡單。那勞動部這一塊,已經外國移工,因為現在只有來英國越來越少,所以我們還是要廣、廣要。緬甸我有去談過緬甸,後來沒有簽嘛,可以再加強這一塊,他們也很喜歡來。 |
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現在他們,緬甸我也覺得很可惜,其實我們勞動部之前已經談到某個那個了,但是沒有辦法。我在第8屆的時候我還要去跟他們農業部,當然是我們這邊農委會請我去巡視啦。 |
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我們其實不放棄啦,就過去談了後來促交,就不放棄啦,我們會透... |
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持續通過外交部來評估． |