| IVOD_ID |
151656 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151656 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-24T11:08:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-24T11:15:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/534e6c42fa7aedb386aef19028824dbb7e796690f3f0abb2eadb1108e4b84432a31332d4c37b8b925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:12 - 11:15:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長率所屬相關單位列席就「如何透過行政簡化、訴訟減量與科技運用以降低基層司法體系負擔之成效與精進期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（11時8分）謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請秘書長。 |
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主席：請秘書長。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：秘書長，當我們看到電視上這個二十幾歲的法官發生這樣的事情，我們真的很難過，培養一位法官是何其不容易，但是憾事還是發生了。更離譜的是憾事發生之後，我們又看到媒體上說司法院請法官休息半天去走一走，是不是？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這個也是出於善意，大家要維護身心…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：其中之一的方案。但是你認為當憾事發生的時候，我們告訴法官說請你們都休息半天出去走一走，這樣可以解決問題嗎？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這是請大家多注意一些運動…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：注意一些運動？只有半天去走一走，就可以注意運動嗎？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這是出於善意，大家要儘量注意身心健康。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席也絕對同意是善意，但是本席跟你討論的是，我們看不到更積極的方案來協助。你應該去研討怎麼樣協助這些人員，應該要提出方案，善意當然需要，但是如果只有半天讓他們走一走、運動，半天就可以解決問題，不會導致現在這個現象。所以我們看到基本的數字，你告訴我們從107年到112年，家事調停的部分每一個項目通通都是增加、比例都增加，對不對？你告訴我們的數字在這裡。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：而且我們也看到這個訴訟比例也通通都在增加，數字告訴我們每年逐年增加，但是沒有告訴我們方案。接下來我好不容易看到您提出的迫切需求員額的總表，對不對？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：那現在怎麼辦呢？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：就是我們…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們好不容易看出來，這怎麼辦？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：期盼這個人總也能夠協助提高員額上限。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：秘書長，你這樣就對了，你明明白白每一年的數量一直在增加，而且比例增加的讓我們很憂心、很憂心，但是好不容易你提出了，有為的政府應該要解決這個問題，所以你要大聲講出來，而不是只有說你們每個人休息半天去走一走就算了。我記得在葉金鳳女士擔任部長的時候，我帶隊到臺中地檢，部長在這裡，我們去看，我發覺這嚇死人了，案件這麼多，三輸──民眾輸、檢察官輸、法官輸，社會大眾輸，不可以如此，所以當時是首批第一次設置助理人員，而且法務部還慢了一年，司法院還比較早，早一年讓助理人員先進駐；法務部還慢一年，還客氣，慢了一年。所以從那時候開始，我一直關注，我說當人民有困難的時候，政府要怎麼協助我們？最終的法院判決是還人民一個公道，這是我們非常尊敬的，這是民主的真諦。但是我們看到這樣的民主真諦竟然發生了這樣的憾事，而且你們提出了人員，我們全力支持，也請秘書長您必須要好好的提出、好好的溝通。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：是、是、是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為唯一只能從根源去解決，要不然不可能。一個法官、一個檢察官，一天、一個月幾十件案件，叫你自己寫都寫不出來了，怎麼有辦法精進呢？所以你必須要從根源去做嘛！對不對？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：所以我是很呼籲期盼今天人總也有代表來，能夠把這個聲音帶回去。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：人總代表在哪裡？請上來。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：請能夠把這個聲音帶回去。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：他不是帶回去，他必須。 |
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主席：請古專門委員。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：來，在哪裡？專門委員在哪裡？來，謝謝。人總，現在非常重要，專委，我想不管藍綠白，大家都一定支持，因為你不能擺爛放在那裡啊！你逼死了法官、逼死了檢察官，沒有用，對不對？人民最重要的最後一道防線就是司法嘛！司法中立，那怎麼辦？來，今天你聽到司法院提出來的數字，你們預計要怎麼做，專委？ |
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古專門委員元玲：因為事涉到修法，修法影響的層面比較廣，那委員的意見我們會帶回去審慎研議。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：民眾所需，社會所需，政府要解決問題，不管修法多困難，只要大家有共識就沒有困難了。如果我們還一直說這個修法很困難，那立法院要做什麼？我們已經慎重提出，而且看到法官發生這麼悲傷的事情，所以拜託你，一定要把這個表格趕快拿回去，一定要趕快好好的來討論，好不好？我覺得這很重要啦！其實我也可以建議司法委員會趕快開一個公聽會，讓社會大眾更瞭解法務部跟司法院他們所需要、他們所欠缺的。唯一從根源去解決，才能夠真正讓民眾至少對社會正義還有一點點的期待啦！好不好？秘書長，你有責任啦！對不對？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：因為這個涉及到人民的受益權，政府機關應該一體要來克服。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，你這樣講就對了，你要勇敢站出來大聲吶喊，就像當時葉金鳳擔任部長的時候，我一去看，我嚇一跳啊！那些案件怎麼可能！至少要一個助理人員來協助嘛！所以當時就這樣定了，然後就分兩年去執行了，你們先，法務部慢一年，就這樣子開始來做，好不好？趕快加油，謝謝。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝秘書長，謝謝專門委員，也謝謝楊委員。 |
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接下來有請林委員思銘發言。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長率所屬相關單位列席就「如何透過行政簡化、訴訟減量與科技運
用以降低基層司法體系負擔之成效與精進期程」進行專案報告，並備質詢 |
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楊瓊瓔發言 請謝謝主席 楊瓊瓔發言 邀請秘書長秘書長 委員好當我們看到電視 |
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二十幾歲的法官發生了這樣的事情我們真的很難過要培養一位法官那是何其不容易但是憾事還是發生那更離譜的是憾事發生之後我們又看到媒體上面說我們司法院請法官休息半天去走一走是不是 |
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這也是出於善意 其中之一嗎 方案但是你認為當漢市發生的時候我們告訴法官說請你們都要休息半天出去走一走這樣可以解決問題嗎就是說是請能夠多注意一些運動 |
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本席也絕對同意是善意但是本席跟你討論在我們看到我們看不到更積極的方案來協助你應該是去研討怎麼樣要協助我們這些人員應該要提出方案 |
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散力當然需要但是如果只有半天讓他們走一走運動半天就可以解決問題不會導致現在這個現象所以我們看到基本的這個數字你告訴我們從107年到112年我們的這個加持條件的部分通通每一個項目都是增加比例都增加 對不對你告訴我們的數字在這裡而且我們也看到 |
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這個訴訟的比例也通通都是在增加數字告訴我們是每一年逐年在增加但是沒有告訴我們方案 |
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接下來我好不容易就看到您提出的迫切需求緣額的總會表那現在怎麼辦呢?我們好不容易看出來期盼人總能夠協助提高緣額上限你這樣就對了你明明白白 |
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每一年的增加數量一直在增加而且比例增加的讓我們很憂心很憂心但是呢好不容易你提出了有為的政府應該要解決這個問題啊所以你要大聲講出來啊而不是只有說你們每一個人休息半天去走一走就算了我記得在葉金鳳女士擔任部長的時候我帶隊到我們台中地檢啊 |
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部長在這裡我們去看了我發覺這嚇死人了案件這麼多三書民眾書檢察官書法官書社會大眾書不可以如此所以當時是首批第一次助理人員而且法務部還慢了一年這個司法官啊司法院啊還比較早他早一年先讓助理人員先進駐 |
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第1屆法務部還慢一年還科技慢了一年所以從那時候開始我一直關注我說當人民有困難的時候那政府要怎麼協助我們最終的法院判決是還人民的一個公道這是我們非常尊敬的這是民主的真諦但是我們看到竟然是這麼樣的民主真諦竟然發生了這樣的憾事 |
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而且我們提出的人員我們全力支持也請秘書長您必須要好好的提出好好的溝通因為你唯一從根源去解決要不然不可能一個法官、一個檢察官一天、一個月幾十件案件這樣你自己寫都寫不出來了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
那怎麼也有辦法精進呢所以你必須要從根源去做嘛對不對所以我是很呼籲期盼今天任總也有代表來能夠把這個任總代表在哪裡請你也上來請能夠把這個聲音帶回去他不是帶回去他必須來在哪裡專委在哪裡來謝謝任總現在非常重要啊專委 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
309.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
328.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
我想不管藍綠白大家都一定支持因為你不能擺爛的放在那裡啊你逼死了法官逼死了檢察官沒有用啊對不對人民最重要的最後一道防線就是司法嘛司法公立司法中立那怎麼辦來今天你聽到這個提出來的這個數字你們預計要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
338.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
346.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
民眾所需、社會所需政府要解決問題不管修法多困難只要大家有共識就沒有困難了如果我們還一直說這個修法很困難那立法院要做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
366.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
393.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我們已經慎重提出而且看到法官這麼悲傷的事情發生所以拜託你一定要把這個表格趕快拿回去一定要趕快好好的來討論好不好我覺得這很重要啦其實我也可以建議司法委員會我們趕快開一個公聽會讓社會大眾更了解法務部跟司法院他們所需要他們所欠缺的 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
394.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
403.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
你唯一從根源去解決你才能夠真正讓民眾至少還有一點點對社會爭議的一個期待啦好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
405.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
427.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
民主黨你有精力啦因為這個涉及到人民的受益錢啦政府機關應該一體要來克服啦對你這樣講就對了啦你要勇敢站出來大聲啦就像當時我那個葉金鳳部長的時候我一去我一看了我嚇一跳啊那些案件怎麼可能那你至少要一個助理人員來協助嘛所以當時就這樣定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
430.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
430.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
主席 |