| IVOD_ID |
151376 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151376 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-18T09:57:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-18T10:11:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/566e821c95e2b4452b5b8a657041b7210525562164469c9cc5dab72e655c1c947640df9354259b2b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:08 - 10:11:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議，有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案15案。
二、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議，有關第二預備金預算凍結書面報告案1案。
三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議，有關審計部主管預算凍結書面報告案11案。
四、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議，有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案3案。
五、審查「證券投資信託及顧問法」3案：（僅詢答）
(一)行政院函請審議、本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「證券投資信託及顧問法部分條文修正草案」等2案。
(二)本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「證券投資信託及顧問法第一條、第二條及第三條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、審查本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「不動產證券化條例部分條文修正草案」案。（僅詢答）） |
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賴委員士葆：（9時57分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請金管會黃主委。 |
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主席：有請黃主委。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：你早。我們今天主要的題目談投信投顧相關的管理規範，這個題目我問過一次，但是還沒有給我答案，所以我再問一次。在4月1號有個網紅節目，他大概利用愚人節，不知道是不是開玩笑，他說是開玩笑，說巴菲特買回台積電的持股等等，並透過AI翻譯，結果當然對股市造成一定的影響，這件事情現在處理得怎麼樣？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：有，這個部分檢方已經來要求資料，兩位交易所的主管都在這邊，是不是可以允許他們跟您報告？ |
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賴委員士葆：可以，交易所來！是不是已經移送檢方了？ |
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簡總經理立中：跟委員報告，這件事情我們交易所有做一個簡要的分析報告，這個報告目前我們有提供給主管機關參考，另外也跟檢調那邊有聯繫，但目前的進度是還在就相關內容做進一步分析當中。 |
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賴委員士葆：還沒有正式移送檢調？ |
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簡總經理立中：我們還沒有到正式移送的地步。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，櫃買中心要不要表示一下意見？ |
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陳董事長永誠：這部分我們跟交易所是共同作業，我們每天都有分工…… |
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賴委員士葆：我請教黃主委或張局長，你們看哪一位來回答。從4月1號到今天4月18號，照理講這個事情已經很清楚了，到底是圓的扁的？交易所總經理要不要再講一次？你剛才說你們跟檢調講什麼？你們的分析結果是什麼？ |
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簡總經理立中：跟委員報告，檢調的部分有跟我們交易所聯繫、討論這個案子，但是講的內容、細節我並不清楚，由我們監視部門按照監視作業辦法…… |
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賴委員士葆：對，你們認為他是故意的，還是開玩笑的？我就問你這個問題。 |
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簡總經理立中：我想他是有不實的消息放出來…… |
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賴委員士葆：有意的還是無意的？ |
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簡總經理立中：但是不是有符合證交法第一百五十五條之一第六項…… |
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賴委員士葆：有意的就很嚴重喔！有意的就是違反證交法第一百五十五條意圖影響市場行情，就是操作市場喔！ |
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簡總經理立中：是，委員，我們交易所按照資料去分析…… |
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賴委員士葆：結果呢？ |
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簡總經理立中：因為我們現在不曉得…… |
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賴委員士葆：你還不曉得？你一手資料都不曉得？怎麼辦呢？已經快三個禮拜了，兩個多禮拜了，還不曉得啊！還要多久才曉得？上一次我問的時候，你就說一個禮拜以內就有結果，結果一個禮拜還是沒結果啊！ |
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簡總經理立中：向委員報告，我們有分析資料，確實有分析資料，但是分析資料的結果提供給主管機關，然後檢調到時候如果跟我們要，我們也會提供給檢調參考。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以檢調還沒有跟你們要？ |
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簡總經理立中：有來跟我們接洽，但是案子還沒有正式移過去。 |
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賴委員士葆：局長要不要講一下話？還是主委？來，局長講一下。 |
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張局長振山：跟委員報告，這個部分因為最後的判定是由檢方這邊到底有沒有立案，但是我們是提供資料，現在會請交易所繼續看他要什麼資料，我們來support他們。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們能不能承諾？現在局長可以做這個承諾，主委現在不知道方不方便做這樣承諾？承諾說以後類似這個事情，最慢比如說兩個禮拜或者三個禮拜以內就決定要不要移送，可不可以做這樣的承諾？可不可以，局長？ |
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張局長振山：報告委員，這個資料來源必須從證交所的監視報告出來，所以我們要等他報告出來之後才能夠判定。 |
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賴委員士葆：一般來講，證交所什麼時候可以出來呢？資料到現在為止，等於我聽了老半天，證交所正式資料都還沒有出來，是這樣子嗎？ |
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簡總經理立中：有出來，資料有出來，向委員報告，我們交易所這邊有的就是資料，我們只能做資料的分析。 |
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賴委員士葆：分析結果呢？你不能講？ |
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簡總經理立中：分析資料就是有送，但有一些還有賴檢調去調查、檢方去判定他到底是不是有意圖、是不是有這樣子的犯罪行為。 |
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賴委員士葆：我怎麼感覺聽起來你好像想hiding什麼事情、想要隱瞞什麼事情不讓我們知道？你來國會這裡要講實話，要知無不言、言無不盡，對不對？要講實話喔！ |
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張局長振山：報告委員，這個應該沒有問題，因為我們把資料的狀況給檢方他們去做判定，所以剛才一直在講說我們已經提供，後面還會陸續提供給他做判斷依據。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是，你沒有回答我的問題，能不能承諾未來類似這樣的案子，3個禮拜以內一定可以做一個決定？可以嗎？要不要移送？ |
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張局長振山：剛才在講說其實資料提供是沒有問題，至於要判定他則要檢方認為…… |
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賴委員士葆：不是你們判定？ |
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張局長振山：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：好吧！你們幾位請回，主委先留下來。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：我看到今天主計總處提供的資料，有個資料我很有興趣看，叫金融監理管理基金，主計總處整理的很詳細，每年都超收，就是那個2%，對嗎？金融營業稅的2%，給你們金融監督管理基金支應金融業退場處理計畫，每年都超收，每年都超收，池子滿得不得了。請問主委，你知不知道這個池子有多少錢？你看111年度決算是三百多億，超收了五十八億左右，然後每一年超收、每一年超收，那個池子聽說已經快三千億了，是不是？主委。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：這就是最後的一個安定網嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：我知道。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：當然這幾年金融穩定，沒有用到，那是好事，累積到……那因為這個錢到今年年底就沒有了，等於說這只是…… |
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賴委員士葆：今年年底還有，怎麼沒有呢？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：沒有，稅法到年底…… |
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賴委員士葆：賦稅署，來。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：稅法到今年年底就不再撥入了，那這些錢就是一個大池子。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委啊！ |
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宋署長秀玲：報告委員，其實是因為…… |
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賴委員士葆：我知道，因為我還要問主計長，所以給我一點時間。 |
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宋署長秀玲：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不用講太多沒關係，我知道是什麼……我都知道。 |
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這個來講，主委，我就告訴你。現在有一個dilemma，就是這個錢根本用不到，但是一直累積、累積、累積兩、三千億了，所以照理講，這2%就可以不要收了，主委同意嗎？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：這就是現在大家討論營業稅到年底之後怎麼處理…… |
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賴委員士葆：好，可是你2%不收的話，給人家感覺就是銀行業……請問銀行業去年是不是很賺錢？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：有銀行賺的是第三高，還是次高吧！ |
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賴委員士葆：有夠賺錢的賺錢啦！是不是？每年賺，結果你還要給它減2%，這個有沒有道理？所以我覺得5%繼續課，那個2%就給國家，可不可以？主委，可以嗎？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：這個過程我現在不太適合表示特別的意見啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：賦稅署同意嗎？高興不高興啊？ |
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宋署長秀玲：報告委員，我們會就整體金融業跟國際間的競爭力做一個審慎的評估。 |
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賴委員士葆：金融業講的理由都不是理由啦！它賺這麼多錢，對不對？這個2%你就不要給它減啊！2%就歸國庫，照樣課5%，這也是個作法啊！是不是？兩位不好意思講，我來講，這個才是正辦啊！你可以看嘛！用不到，而且它拚命賺錢，還要給它減2%沒有道理，這個道理不存在，我不買單，好不好？幾位請回。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：國際間的金融機構沒有像我們這樣課金融營業稅的啦！跟委員報告。 |
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賴委員士葆：你這樣說是學理啦！這個東西很多事情在臺灣都不一樣了啦！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：好，了解，謝謝，謝謝委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你要這樣講，替金融業講一下話，請朱主計長。 |
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朱主計長澤民：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：主計長，因為你確定要走了嘛！對不對？ |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，我還在啦！只是不在這裡而已啦！我還在啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：我說你確定離開主計長的位置啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：我是希望這樣子做，可是目前相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：接派的人都來了，都已經…… |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有啊！都沒有發布了，那都是報紙寫的，害得我…… |
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賴委員士葆：報紙寫的，報紙亂寫？ |
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朱主計長澤民：害得我每一個人都問我說是不是都要滾了，對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：主計長，我今天一定要問你，就是因為我知道以後是見你一次少一次了，你知道我的意思嗎？見你一次少一次啊！少一次在這裡的機會啦！ |
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朱主計長澤民：對啊！對啊！對，我希望。 |
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賴委員士葆：對嘛！見你一次少一次。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我希望、我希望、我希望啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：以後就會很懷念朱澤民在的日子啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：對，我也很懷念立委。 |
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賴委員士葆：你也會懷念喔？ |
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朱主計長澤民：對，我會很懷念你。 |
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賴委員士葆：你懷念那個25塊錢，你把便當價格都說錯了，便當說錯了，那時蚵仔麵線都說錯的事情，好不好？主計長。 |
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朱主計長澤民：有。 |
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賴委員士葆：我跟你講一個具體的東西，你們1月份公布的，哇！大家好興奮喔！說1月份的平均薪資八萬五…… |
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朱主計長澤民：那個是因為年…… |
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賴委員士葆：網路大家都駡說怎麼有可能啦！ |
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朱主計長澤民：那個因為有年終獎金，所以是總薪資，如果是經常性薪資沒有啦！委員你又忘記了，經常性薪資還是四萬多啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：四萬多？對嘛！我在跟你講這個，而且實質薪資是負的喔！負的1.04%喔！7年來首度負成長。 |
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朱主計長澤民：以委員的高度還在相信這種資料，不要相信！ |
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賴委員士葆：你發布的資料叫我不要相信！ |
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朱主計長澤民：我發布的是總薪資、我是總薪資。 |
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賴委員士葆：主計長啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：我是總薪資，你在這邊有講是總薪資，不是經常性薪資，經常性薪資還是一樣多嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：所以叫我不要相信這個數字就對了？你發布的數字叫我們不要相信？ |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，我們每年都有總薪資跟經常性薪資，這個是大院的要求。 |
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賴委員士葆：主計長，好啦！你都要走了，讓你嘲笑一下沒有關係啦！ |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，我很高興你問，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是，我還沒讓你走，時間沒到，你不要急，你不要急！感謝主席讓我多講幾十秒，你總是會有一些心理的……你主計長做很久，8年都是你做的，對不對？ |
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朱主計長澤民：對啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
賴委員士葆：對啊！這樣的政務官沒有幾個，算一算就一個，叫朱澤民。 |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，前面的石素梅也是。 |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
賴委員士葆：對啦！我是說在蔡政府的官員裡面可以做8年的政務官只有你一個啦！ |
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朱主計長澤民：還有原民會主委夷將，對不對？我們兩個相依為命，對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：哪一個？哪一個？ |
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朱主計長澤民：夷將，夷將‧拔路兒…… |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
賴委員士葆：哪個名字？ |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
朱主計長澤民：夷將，原民會的夷將。 |
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賴委員士葆：那個我比較不知道，我只知道你而已。 |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，他至少是長得比我高，比我帥的人。 |
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賴委員士葆：好啦，聽到這個要怎麼問？好啦，所以，你退下來準備去哪裡？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我這種年紀能夠會走路就不錯了，還要去哪裡，對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：好啦，今天謝謝你的配合啦，反正祝福啦…… |
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朱主計長澤民：謝謝啦。 |
| gazette.blocks[115][0] |
賴委員士葆：祝福你退下來，身體做得棒棒的，然後有你的事業第二春，祝福你。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我不要第二春了，我已經有一春就不要二春了，對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：老實講很多人對主計長有意見啦，但今天如我剛剛講的，我這個人很惜情，以後是見你一次少一次，所以我就要對你客氣一次啦，會越來越客氣啦…… |
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朱主計長澤民：不會啦，委員要見我，我會時常跑來立法院給你看，對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[121][0] |
主席（賴委員士葆代）：下一位請郭國文召委質詢。 |
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478 |
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委員會-11-1-20-9 |
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郭國文 |
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林楚茵 |
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林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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李彥秀 |
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賴惠員 |
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王鴻薇 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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黃珊珊 |
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李坤城 |
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王世堅 |
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陳玉珍 |
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羅明才 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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黃國昌 |
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顏寬恒 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、處理中華民國 113 年度中央政府總預算決議，有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案 15
案；二、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議，有關第二預備金預算凍結書面報告案1案；
三、處理中華民國 113 年度中央政府總預算決議，有關審計部主管預算凍結書面報告案 11 案；
四、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議，有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案3案；
五、審查「證券投資信託及顧問法」 3 案： ( 一 ) 行政院函請審議、本院委員郭國文等 16 人擬具
「證券投資信託及顧問法部分條文修正草案」等2案、(二)本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「證券投
資信託及顧問法第一條、第二條及第三條之一條文修正草案」案（僅詢答）；六、審查本院委員
郭國文等16人擬具「不動產證券化條例部分條文修正草案」案（僅詢答） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請金國衛的黃主委有請黃主委委員長一早齁 |
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這個有今天談到我們今天主要題目談這個頭顧頭刑頭顧的相關的管理規範那我們看到這個題目我問過一次但是還沒有給我答案所以我再問一次就是在4月1號有個網紅節目 |
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一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案 |
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是不是已經移送檢方了是不是? |
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跟委員報告這件事情我們交易所有做一個這個檢要的分析報告那這個報告目前我們有提供給主管機關參考那另外也跟這個檢調那邊有在聯繫但是目前的進度是就這個相關的內容還做進一步的這個分析當中 |
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還沒有正式移送進調。我們還沒有到正式移送的這個地步。好,過來呢,要不要表示一下意見。這個部位我們跟交易所是共同作業,我們每天都有分工。好,我請教黃主委或者張局長,你們看來會來回答這個。就是從4月1號到現在,今天,4月18號, |
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照理講這個事情已經很清楚了啊,是不是,到底是圓的扁的那個交易所總經理要不要再講一次,你剛才,你剛才說你跟檢調講的,講什麼,講什麼,你們的分析結果是什麼。 |
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那個根委員報告檢調的部分有跟我們教育所這邊做聯繫那討論這個案子但是講的內容我細節我並不清楚那由我們監事部門按照監事作業那你們認為他是故意的還是開玩笑的 |
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我想他是有這個消息放出來但是是不是有符合這個政交法155條有意的就很嚴重喔有意的就是違反政交法155條意圖影響市場行情就是操作市場喔 |
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是那個委員那按照我們教育所按照資料去做分析結果我們現在不曉得你還不曉得你一手資料都不曉得怎麼辦呢已經快三個禮拜了兩個多禮拜了還不曉得啊 |
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還要多久才曉得上一次我問的時候你就說這個在一個禮拜以內就有結果結果一個禮拜還是沒結果阿跟向委員報告我們有分析資料確實有分析資料但是分析資料的結果呢提供給主管機關然後檢調到時候如果跟我們要我們也會提供給檢調做參考所以檢調還沒有跟你們要有來跟我們接洽但是案子還沒有正式移過去 |
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那個局長要不要講一下我還是還是主委局長講一下根本報告這個部分因為最後的判定是有檢方這邊到底有沒有立案但是我們是提供資料現在會請教育所繼續看他要什麼資料我們來support他們 |
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那證交所什麼時候可以出來呢?一般來講 |
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現在資料你到現在為止等於我聽了老半天,人家說這次資料都還沒有出來,是這樣子嗎? |
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有出來資料有出來那向委員報告我們交易所這邊有的就是資料我們只能做資料的分析分析結果勒你不能講分析資料有就是有送那如果是有一些還有賴檢調去調查說對檢方去判定他到底是不是有意圖是不是有這樣子的一個犯罪行為 |
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為什麼感覺聽起來你好像想嗨你什麼事情想要隱瞞什麼事情不讓我們知道你來國會這裡要講實話咧要知目不言言語不信對不對 |
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瓜哥你沒有回答問題嗎?你不能承諾未來類似這樣的案子三個禮拜以內一定可以做一個決定,可以嗎? |
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要不要移送剛才在講說其實資料提供是沒有問題但是要判定他那個要檢方大家認為不是你們判定對好嘛你們請位請為喔這個主委先留下來喔我看到今天的主計總處提供的資料喔有個資料我很有興趣看喔叫金融監理管理基金喔 |
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齁!這個主計長、主計總書書那邊整理得很詳細啊!齁!黨名都抄手欸! |
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就是你這個啊就是那個2%對吧金融業稅那個2%給你們這個金融的金融監督管理基金執運金融業的退場處理計畫每年都超收每年都超收這池子滿不得了請問主委你知不知道這個池子有多少錢現在這個看到你看111年度就超收了 |
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三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議．有關審計 |
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稅法到今年年底就不再撥入了那這些錢就是一個大池子主委啊報告委員其實是因為我知道因為我還要問主計長所以給我一點時間你不會講到的沒關係我知道是什麼我是國務院長我都知道啊這個來講主委我現在告訴你現在有一個敵人嘛 |
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就是這個錢根本用不到但是一直累積累積累積兩三千億的所以照理講這兩趴就可以不要收了主委同意嗎這就是現在大家討論那個營業稅到年底之後可是你兩趴不收的話那給人家感覺就是請問一、兩月今年去年是不是能賺錢 |
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有銀行賺的是第三高還是四高吧?有貴賺錢的賺錢啦是不是每年賺結果你還給他減兩趴這個也沒有道理啊所以我覺得五趴繼續課那個兩趴就給國家可以嗎?這個由我現在這個過程我不太適合表示特別的意見 |
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告訢不告訢嗎?報告委員我們會就整體金融業跟國際間的競爭力做一個審慎的評論今天我講一個理由都不是理由啦他賺這麼多錢對不對這個2%你就不要給他減啦這2%就歸國庫啦照樣課5%這是個做法是不是兩位不好意思講我來講 |
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這個才是真笨啊你可以看嘛用不到而且他拼命賺錢啊還要給人家減兩包沒有道理這個道理不存在我不買單好不好國際圈的金融機構沒有像我們這樣課金融營業稅的啦跟會員報告你啦這個東西很多事情在台灣都不一樣了啦所以你要是要講金融業講一下話請主主席上來主主席上 |
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主席,因為你確定要做人嘛對不對?沒有,我還在啦,不在這裡而已啦,我還在啦 |
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我說你確定離開主計總的位置啊我是要希望這樣的做可是目前那個相關的接派的人都來了啊都已經沒有都沒有沒有發布來那都播出了下來害得我害得我的每一個人都問我說是不是要滾了對不對 |
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主席長,我今天一點問你就是因為我知道以後是見你一次少一次啊。你知道我意思嗎?見你一次少一次啊。少一次是這裡的機會啊。對嘛。見你一次少一次。我希望了。也很懷念朱正民在這日子啊。我也很懷念立委。 |
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一、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國11年度 |
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那個是因為有年終獎金所以是總薪資如果是經常薪資沒有啦委員你又忘記了 |
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那個經常性薪資還是4萬多啦4萬多對嘛我再跟你講這個而且那個而且實質薪資是負的喔負的一點你是7年來是副省長高度還在相信這種資料不要相信對對對欸你發布你發布這個資料不要相信我是總薪資我是總薪資你在這邊有講嗎是總薪資 |
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總薪資嘛不是經常性薪資經常性薪資還是一樣多嘛所以說叫我不要相信這個數字就對了你發布的數字叫我不要相信我們每年都有總薪資跟那個經常性薪資這個是大院的要求 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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你主席長做很久8年都是你做的對不對對啊對啊這樣的政務官沒有幾個啊算你算就一個叫朱正民沒有前面石樹梅也是啊對啦我說說在蔡政府的關羽裡面可以做8年的政務官只有你一個啦還有還有原民會主委一將對不對我們兩個相依為命對不對哪一個哪一個哪一個 |
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二、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告 |
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今天謝謝你的配合啦反正這個祝福啦祝福你這個退下來身體做得棒棒的然後呢有你的4月第二春祝福你喔我不要第二春了我已經有一春就不要二春了 |
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老師我對處理長很多人有意見但今天我我剛講的齁我對你喜慶以後是見你一次少一次所以我就會對你客氣一次會越來越客氣我會時常跑來立法院給你看謝謝 |