| IVOD_ID |
151314 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151314 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T12:38:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T12:48:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cfb4b12132f0162766dc4887d3ffcb92b57f63d1b53b7532c5dab72e655c1c9431c2673164c3cee95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:38:40 - 12:48:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「限塑政策執行成效，及家戶與一般事業廢棄物減量之檢討與策進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及17日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席。主席請一下薛部長。好,請薛部長。好,楊委員好。部長好。部長,我們在減塑政策下呢,就是雖然使用量加降了,但是我這邊在看就是塑膠袋的內銷量其實是增加的。根據 |
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議員提供的資料是這樣子就是我們從20年前開始執行減塑的政策從2002年的200億個塑膠袋大概減到2022就是20年裡面我們減了一半 |
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剪輔一半這個算是一個很好的現象可是呢經濟部的統計卻是這樣子就是說他說台灣的塑膠袋的內銷量在2022是14萬噸到了2023卻提升到20萬噸也就是說垃圾袋的個數減了50%那 |
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經濟部的統計塑膠袋的內銷量的重量卻是增加了這個到底問題在哪裡?事實上因為包括我們這個包裝的使用以及在疫情期間大家這個透過外賣啦透過電商等等的各式各樣的活動 |
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我們在塑膠的使用量反而增加可是這個在理論上個數也會增加可是我們的個數在20年裡面是減掉50%的是一個很好的成績而重量上我不知道到底問題相關聯性是怎麼樣最主要是我們的塑膠量的使用 |
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對剛剛講的楊文講從200個到100個所以是92億那個是購物用的塑膠袋但是我們現在經濟部提供的數據是我們整個國內塑膠的使用量真的是太多了包括我們說海洋的廢棄物裡面的儀網等等這些事實上有都是鈕都是塑膠 |
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當然塑膠是台灣很重要的一個產業我們過去經濟的整個發展事實上這個塑膠產業、化工產業也貢獻很大那我大概知道那就是請部裡面這邊除了塑膠袋的部分以外可以檢塑的方面向很多大概都必須要去做 |
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事實上今年就是聯合國他們要推動全球的一個檢塑工業的這個擬定而且要實施 |
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那等他這個草案能夠確定之後我想全世界將來就會風起雲湧跟我們在談減碳的概念幾乎一樣因為現在塑膠各位我們千萬不要輕忽就是說事實上現在塑膠為例 |
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對環境、對我們人體的健康造成很大的影響了那很多人或許都還不了解這個塑膠圍裏它真的會跟我們人體的健康生活息息相關所以我個人的感覺是減碳正在推那下一個階段應該是減塑會如火如荼的來推動 |
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因為它的塑膠為例真的對環境、對我們的健康產生太大的影響對,這也就是其實我們光是從可能部長剛剛講的概念也漸漸的讓國人接受了所以我們才能夠在20年裡面塑膠袋的就是家戶的使用、個人的使用的部分檢討的成績其實算是不錯 |
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部長我還有一點時間我們還是要來談一下澎湖的垃圾因為澎湖的垃圾呢佔質量居高不下所以縣長都跑到垃圾場去過了一夜這個是一件很對澎湖來講是一件很嚴肅然後也很重要的事情 |
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市長大概是這樣子齁 紅樓垃圾掩埋場2022年的佔滯量是9800噸到2024就是今年的4月還 |
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還有9300噸的廢棄物佔滯在那邊也就是說在這一兩年裡面其實就是佔滯的噸數大概只減了500噸那我這邊有一個數據就是澎湖縣2022年垃圾轉運回台的數量是18000噸 |
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到了2023反而降到降成11000噸左右也就是說我看到的數據是假如說澎湖可以維持在2022年轉運回台數的18000噸 |
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我們大概在兩年之內就可以把所有的戰制的垃圾全部處理完畢我不知道為什麼2022可以轉運回台18000噸到了2023反而只剩下11000我跟楊委員報告 這個問題我們要現在積極來 |
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大概現在是嘉義跟高雄市有在協助噴霧處理每天大概每週大概嘉義縣的部分處理了460然後高雄市是140也就是每週可以處理600噸 |
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OK 那我們現在有環境部這邊正好有一些可以掌控來請各縣市來協助的部分我想我也請我們環管署的嚴署長特別針對這一塊來緊述的幫忙澎湖來做垃圾的處理因為澎湖跟金門、馬祖離島的基本上都沒有混化的設備 |
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那這個優先我們會來考量特別是把那些戰事的看看能不能也順便盡快的把它處理掉部長我其實一直有感受到部裡面跟環環署對噴霧垃圾的處理的重視不過離島確實它有特殊性我不知道是不是嚴署長可以回答一下就是說為什麼2022 |
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我看2022的垃圾轉運回來數量已經到了1萬8那到去年反而又降到1萬1到底是打包速度的問題還是本島縣市處理量的問題還是經費的問題 |
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就經費上面來講沒有問題所有澎湖的轉運費用我們都全額補助每年大概有五千萬左右那會減少的原因最主要是在高雄這個部分它的處理量有減少所以在國內部分我們還是盡量幫澎湖這裡來調度其他縣市我們目前正在努力 |
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530.058 |
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我最後還是講一下因為我們看到2022的垃圾轉運回台的數量其實假如說以這個我還是講以這樣子的量跟澎湖每年製造的垃圾量來看大概我們只要連續兩年可以維持在18000就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
532.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
558.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
處理掉好那這個問題還是我們朝這個目標來努力啦好還是請部裡面這邊那個最後還是謝謝部長對本府離島啦離島其實我今天也原本還有還有一個就是循環循環被使用的也在離島做做做推廣不過循環循環就是環保杯的循環在利用的的 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
560.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
588.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
的這個問題在澎湖其實在離島推廣的並沒有很好我其他再找時間來做跟你們做探討不過還是要感謝部長對離島環保各包括海底城網剛剛講到的向海致敬等等對在任期中對離島的做出的努力謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
590.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
594.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
謝謝楊委員也謝謝楊委員對環境部的一個指導跟支持好謝謝 |