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151297 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151297 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
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財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T12:07:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T12:17:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:26 |
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| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:26 - 12:17:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、行政院消費者保護處就「如何改善我國融資公司因缺乏監管所衍生之社會亂象，以穩定金融市場並保障消費者權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請內政部警政署、法務部列席備詢。） |
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羅委員明才：（12時7分）主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家好。主席，先請一下莊部長。 |
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主席：請莊部長。 |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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羅委員明才：莊部長，其實在財經界，整個國家的金融發展，在金管會也好，央行也好，財政部也好，就是財經三大巨頭，都是非常重要的。過去八年的時間一路走來，事實上金管會也扮演非常重要的角色，一路走來，整個銀行、證券、保險的發展，你覺得怎麼樣？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，目的事業主管機關金管會對於金融業，不管是證券、保險或銀行等各方面，都非常盡責，然後在做監理也好，開創也好，或者是發展也好，都是公股銀行都必須跟隨的一個指標。 |
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羅委員明才：金融的穩定很重要，所以在目前臺灣金融圈裡面，對於整體的評價，都是覺得可圈可點，其實說到這裡面的貢獻，大概都是財經三長，大家可以用幾個字來形容，叫做有目共睹，但是你現在要小心，你現在當財政部的部長多久？任期多久了？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我是在112年1月31日就任，所以大概一年多。 |
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羅委員明才：一葉知秋。最近大家可以看得到整個荒腔走板的宮廷內鬥劇活生生地就在立法院上演，我們看到，最可惜的就是對財經界貢獻很多的人，我們突然發現，為什麼臺灣股市上兩萬點啊？所有銀行界人士笑嘻嘻，因為截至上一次的數據分析，銀行金融界已經賺了大概七、八千億。另外，保險過去因為COVID─19的問題，中央政策造成決策的錯誤，沒有辦法，不過也慢慢都穩定下來了，銀行的逾放現在也大概是歷史新低，三個財金首長貢獻都很大。所以我們看到黃主委一路走來，也無風雨也無情，這個「情」叫做「無情」的「情」，你想想看，一個執政黨的好官員，結果被執政黨的幾個人群起攻擊，造成中華民國失去了一個很好的金管會主委，這個實在是比八點檔宮廷劇還要令人嘆為觀止。所以我是覺得，莊部長，接下來因為520還沒到，還沒有正式發布，你也都要小心地繼續把該做的事情都做好，其中有一個大家關心的事情是財政收支劃分法對地方的照顧，地方嗷嗷待哺，這個部分要趕緊想一個好的方式為民發聲，畢竟我們在這邊開會，第一個想的都是國家至上，還有一個就是民眾第一，希望大家念茲在茲，趕緊把財劃法做好，不曉得部長準備好了嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，有關財劃法修正的事情，其實財政部一直都沒有停歇過，有關對各地方政府未來財劃法怎麼去分配的部分，也在請地方政府表達意見，各地方政府也把相關的意見送來了，但是有一些有關分配的指標部分，它的內容跟它的內涵到底指的是什麼，我們會跟地方政府再進一步地釐清，然後我們會適時開會，尋求最大的共識，就是在分配的部分必須再看看要怎麼做，求取共識，然後才能夠往前再走一步。這個部分，財政部一直都沒有停歇過。 |
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雖然財劃法沒有修正，但是中央對地方的財源挹注，其實一直有增加，在112年已經比105年增加了兩千多億，就是中央挹注地方的財源，在113年比105年增加兩千多億，所以目前地方整個財政也都在地方政府努力跟中央一起挹注之下，其實已經有非常大幅度的改進了。 |
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羅委員明才：不過那個都是杯水車薪，因為現在變成六都，事實上，另外四都該得到的權益，統統還沒有具體地落實，差距還是很大，像臺北縣升格成新北市，我們當然希望該給人民的福利或是一些社會福利的制度，可以大幅度成長，不然臺北縣升格為新北市，變成直轄市，變成六都，那又如何？所以這方面多加油。請問一下，統籌稅款全部一年加起來有多少？ |
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莊部長翠雲：應該到幾千億吧？今年加上中央補助款才有四千多億。 |
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羅委員明才：從原有的，再加上這幾年的稅收都超徵。 |
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莊部長翠雲：113年中央統籌分配款是4,000億。 |
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羅委員明才：那如果新北市升格以後比照臺北市，新北市應該可以得到多少的補助？ |
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莊部長翠雲：您說升格以後，它現在不是已經升格了嗎？分配的事，是不是請我們國庫署來做一個說明？ |
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羅委員明才：好。 |
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陳署長柏誠：新北市的部分，目前中央統籌分配稅款是468億。 |
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羅委員明才：四百多億嘛？ |
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陳署長柏誠：對。 |
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羅委員明才：那以前是臺北縣的時候大概補助多少？ |
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陳署長柏誠：我們在會後再跟委員報告。 |
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羅委員明才：520快到了，很多事情就應該如火如荼展開，閣員都大致底定了以後，很多法我們就開始要具體審查，相關的問題請你準備好，數字準備好。 |
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莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝委員。 |
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羅委員明才：我提出一個比喻，凍省之前，事實上那時候是把權力大幅度下放給地方的，可是凍省之後，中央把很多的權力都收回去了，這個必須要做一個調整。 |
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莊部長翠雲：在當時精省的時候，其實負債中央也承接了，一併承接了省的負債。 |
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羅委員明才：好，謝謝。 |
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莊部長翠雲：謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：好，那部長請回。 |
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最後就是麻煩主席請一下金管會主委。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：委員好。 |
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羅委員明才：主委，我送你幾個字，就是你辛苦了，但是我覺得這就是人生造化，要是我是你，我會覺得很委屈，做了那麼多，結果被自己執政黨裡面第一線的或是幾個人群起霸凌，這個是我覺得最匪夷所思的事情。然後他們抓一個跟你不相干的事情來霸凌你，有種就對著誰來啊，怎麼會去影響別人？講誰，講東講西，講那麼大，如果那麼認真會講的話，為什麼不想想過去立法院歷任院長、副院長、行政院長？拜託，哪一個人沒有請客吃飯過？一個小小的事情可以無限上綱，所以我覺得對你我有一個感覺，就是感到不捨。不過就人生的際遇，我還是有幾個字要送給你，就是「海闊天空」，以你的能力，以你過去成功的經驗，要找你的人會很多，你可以貢獻的地方還多得多，在這裡就是最後祝福你，謝謝。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝羅明才委員質詢。 |
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接著請林楚茵委員質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、行政院消費者保護處就
「如何改善我國融資公司因缺乏監管所衍生之社會亂象，以穩定金融市場並保障消費者權益」進
行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請內政部警政署、法務部列席備詢 |
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主席各位很出列的習官員大家好主席先請一下莊部長我請莊部長委員好 是其實在財經界 |
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整個國家的金融發展在金管會也好、央行也好、財政部也好這個大概就是財經三大巨頭都是非常重要的那過去大概8年的這個時間一路走來那事實上金管會也扮演非常重要的角色 |
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你對著在這個一路走來這個整個銀行證券保險的發展你覺得怎麼樣跟委員報告我想那個目的事業主管機關金管會其實在這個金融業不管證券還有保險或銀行等各方面都 |
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金融的穩定很重要所以大致在整個目前台灣的發展金融圈裡面對於這整體的評價大概都是覺得可圈可點 |
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其實那裡面的貢獻大概都是財經三長大家可以用幾個字來形容叫做有目共睹但是你現在要小心你現在陳正波的部長任期多久了在112年的1月31號就任所以大概一年多一夜之秋 |
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最近大家可以看得到整個荒腔走板的宮廷內鬥劇活生生的就在立法院上演那我們看到最可惜的就是對財經界貢獻很多的我們突然發現為什麼台灣股市上幾點上兩萬點了 |
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所有的銀行界消息息的因為截至上一次的數據分析啊銀行金融界已經賺了大概七八千億 |
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另外保險當然有點過去有點因為COVID-19的問題中央政策造成決策的錯誤沒有辦法不過也慢慢都穩定下來了銀行的預放現在也大概是歷史以來的新低這個其實這個整個三個財經首長貢獻都很大所以我們看到這個主委黃主委 |
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居然沒有沒有沒有請黃主委坐就好這一路走來我們也是要一個心理的一個分享覺得就是他一路走來也無風雨也無情那這個情叫做無情的情啊你想想看一個執政黨的好的官員結果被自己執政黨的所有人幾個人群起攻擊 |
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好造成中華民國失去了一個很好的金管會的主委這個實在是比八點檔宮廷俱還要令人嘆為觀止所以我是覺得莊部長你接下來因為520還沒到還沒有正式發布你也都要 |
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這個小新的繼續把該做的事情都做好其中有一個大家關心的是財政收支劃分法對地方的照顧地方偶爾逮捕這個部分要 |
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趕緊想一個好的方式為民發聲畢竟我們在這邊開會第一個想的都是國家至上還有一個這個民眾第一這邊在後面我後面這個地方希望大家念之再之啊趕緊把才化法做好部長準備好了嗎 |
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跟委員報告有關財化法這個修正的事情齁其實財政部一直都沒有停歇過那我們這個部分有關對於各地方政府未來就是財化法怎麼去分配的部分也在請地方政府表達意見那各地方政府也把相關的意見來了但是有一些 |
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有關分配的指標部分它的內容跟它的內涵到底指的是什麼我們會跟地方政府再進一步的釐清然後我們會適時的開會然後尋求最大一個共識那就在分配的部分必須要再看看要怎麼做然後求取共識 |
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然後才能夠往前再走一步我想這個部分財政部一直都沒有停歇過是那雖然財化法沒有修正但是中央對地方的一個財源的挹注其實一直有增加在112年比105年已經增加了2000多億就中央挹注地方的財源 |
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不過那個都是杯水車薪因為現在變六都了事實上 |
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臺北縣升格成為新北市,當然希望它整個該給人民的福利或是一些社會福利的制度是可以大幅度的成長的,不然這個 |
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臺北縣升格為新北市變成直轄市變成六都那又如何所以這方面多加油請問一下統籌稅款全部一年大概加起來有多少應該到幾千億吧應該今年是兩千四千沒有加裝補助款才有四千元有的再加上這幾年稅收都超徵四千元 |
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請國庫署來做一個縣市的說明 |
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新北市的部分目前中央統籌分配稅款是468億那以前台北縣的時候是大概補助多少因為接著本席就要 |
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那個520快到了很多事情就應該如火如荼那如果整個閣員大概都大致抵定了以後很多法我們就開始要開始要來具體的審查相關的問題請你準備好數字準備好是謝謝委員一個比例就是動審之前事實上那時候是權益是很大幅度下放地方的 |
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可是動審之後,中央把很多的權力都收回去了,這個必須要做一個調整。當時經審的時候,其實負債中央也承接了,一併承接了審的負債。好,謝謝。謝謝。那部長請回。那最後就是,麻煩請一下主席,請中央會主委, |
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所以大概幾個字就是你辛苦了但是我覺得人生造化要是我是你我也覺得很委屈做了那麼多這個被自己執政黨裡面的第一線的或者是說有幾個人群起霸凌這個是我覺得是匪夷所思的事情 |
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然後抓一個跟你不相干的事情有種就對著誰來啊怎麼會去影響講誰講東講西講那麼大啊如果這麼認真會講的話為什麼不想想過去的立法院、立任的院長、副院長、行政院長拜託啊哪一個人沒有請客吃飯過一個小小的事情可以無限上崗 |
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所以我覺得對你一個就是感到不捨不過人生的機遇上還是有幾個字要送給你叫做海闊天空以你的能力以你的過去的這個成功的經驗 |
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主席 |