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151245 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151245 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-15,19-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T10:06:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T10:14:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:50 - 10:14:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員高金素梅等19人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第六條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第五條及第六條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第三條及第六條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第三條及第六條條文修正草案」案。【第四案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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269 |
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王委員美惠：（10時6分）主席，請副主委。 |
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主席：有請鍾副主委。 |
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鍾副主任委員興華：王委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：副主委早。請教一下副主委，你擔任這個職位多久了？ |
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鍾副主任委員興華：12年。 |
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王委員美惠：本席要跟你探討一下，不管是誰曾經提出這個案子、草案，請問你如何去計畫？讓我們原住民不要亂砍樹的補助，施行這幾年下來你有什麼想法？既然你已經做了12年了，就你對原住民的關心，所以請說明一下。 |
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鍾副主任委員興華：跟委員報告，當然禁伐補償是105年開始實施…… |
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王委員美惠：我知道啦！因為我就是來問你基於這個職位有什麼想法，如果你是昨天才來或是一個月前才來，我也會問你，只是關心和瞭解的力道就不同了。從一早就有這麼多同事跟你提這些問題，我看你都沒有什麼概念，你也不想幫原住民看看怎麼去爭取他的福利及權益。說實在的，做好人大家都會做，要3萬也好，要5萬也好，要10萬也可以啦！不過立法院不像菜市場那樣，而且我看不出來你們有什麼作為。 |
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你們是否曾想到，原住民的生活這麼困苦，是不是長久以來有替他們這麼想？你看你們今天所提出來的報告只有這一張，比方說如果要增加的話，要多到38萬，我都尊重你，但你連一點你的想法、你的思維都沒有，你是副主委耶！真的，就只有一句「尊重」！ |
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再來，若要讓新的內閣來處理，難道這幾天大家乾脆都休息，都坐在辦公室喝茶、喝咖啡就好了？副主委，從剛才到現在，你認為這個補償的金額，以你的立場要多少才適合？你回答一下。 |
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鍾副主任委員興華：跟委員報告，因為土地的使用的確是受到限制，一般原住民保留地也沒有辦法被運用，所以才會有這個補償的辦法，當然也改善了族人土地因被限制使用，然後讓他們在經濟收益上有一些改善。 |
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王委員美惠：副主委，說實在的，我從剛剛說到現在，你不瞭解我的用心良苦，我雖然是臺灣人，不過我是跟原住民站在一起的，尤其阿里山是位在我們嘉義縣，很多原住民都來嘉義市生活，他為什麼沒辦法生活？因為他們相關的福利都不夠，所以要來嘉義市做臨時工。我剛剛問的，你也還沒回答我，有人說3萬不夠，那我們要拿多少才夠？因為說實在的，大家都非常的關心，伍麗華也是，包括坐在這裡所有的委員都很關心，才會去提這個草案，才會想要把這些錢看看可以提高多少是最適合的，像召委也是在為原住民發聲。我覺得任何人都可以有他的立場跟他的看法，只是到現在完全看不出你們這個單位的作法，照理你們是要來保護他們的，可是我從9點就坐在那裡，到現在你們也沒說出這段時間你們的想法跟你們要去報告的時候最有利的理由是什麼，到現在都沒有，就只會說「尊重」！ |
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接著我要跟你探討的是，0403花蓮地震的時候，你們的文健站全臺灣共設了500多個，花蓮有設了100多個。 |
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鍾副主任委員興華：是的。 |
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王委員美惠：到現在為止，還有在花蓮，很多教會因為地震的緣故，很多原住民就沒辦法去教會做禮拜，尤其是一些文健站，到目前為止也是有受損的，而這是原住民長輩平常第二個可以休息互相關心的地方，所以到目前為止，就你們的瞭解有多少？請你報告。 |
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鍾副主任委員興華：跟委員報告，有關0403文健站跟教會的部分，都納入我們整體協助規劃補助有關災區的部分，我們都有一些清冊在裡面，也有同仁去做調查、整理。 |
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王委員美惠：我請教一下，到目前為止，你們規劃是如何呢？ |
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鍾副主任委員興華：跟委員報告，因為詳細資料不是我在督導的，是由另外一個副主委，所以我們可以把相關調查的資料跟協助的情況，跟委員做一個報告。 |
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王委員美惠：副主委，我覺得你來這裡也是要瞭解，你身為原住民的副主委，發生這樣的狀況，你應該要比任何人還要瞭解，會後拜託資料提供給我，以上。 |
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鍾副主任委員興華：好，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝美惠，謝謝副主委。 |
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繼續我們請賴瑞隆委員質詢，謝謝。 |
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高金素梅 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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盧縣一 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄 |
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一、審查委員高金素梅等19人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二、
審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第五條及第六條條文修正草
案」案；三、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第三條及第六條條文修正
草案」案；四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人擬具「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例
第三條及第六條條文修正草案」案 |
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主席,我們請副主委,有請曾副主委。主委,本席在這裏要請教一下,你坐在這位的期間有多久?12年。12年嗎?對。來,本席跟你談一下, |
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不關什麼人有正經提出這個規案的草案時,你如何去結尾,去想說要怎樣讓我們原住民、經濟委員不要亂扯手腕,會補償,會這幾年你有什麼想法來?既然你已經坐12年了,你的保護,你給對原住民 |
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內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。七、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。 |
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當時跟你說這個問題的時候,我看你都沒概念,你也沒想到原住民怎麼請出他的福利及他的款項。說實在,每個做好的人都可以做,要3萬也好,要5萬也好,要10萬也可以啦。堅固在那裡不是要拿菜吃這樣啦。 |
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審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。 |
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第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案。 |
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跟委員報告因為這個土地的使用是的確是受到限制那一般原住民保留地那也沒有辦法被應用所以才會有這個補償的辦法那當然是那也改善了主委對於土地被限制使用然後讓他們在經濟收益上有一些改善主委、副主委你這樣喔我講實在我從剛才講到現在你沒了解說我用心用口 |
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我雖然是台灣人,但我是將原住民擬作壞的,尤其阿里山我們的家族館,很多原住民來家族館生活的,他們怎麼沒辦法生活,對你們對待的好利好什麼都沒救了,所以要來搞家族館做臨時工啊, |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具 |
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條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具 |
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及第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。 |
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零四、零三、花蓮等時,您的運行站在所有全台灣15百多個,花蓮就18幾個,到現在為止, |
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還有在我們的花蓮的所在許多教會也是因為這件事來引起給原住民許多人沒有辦法去到教會主席。 |
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審查委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁伐補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留 |
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跟委員報告有關0403文件站跟教會的部分都納入我們整體在協助規劃補助有關災區的部分,那我們都有一些清澈在裡面,也有同仁去做調查整理。調查我來請教,九五城你們的局委是怎樣?跟委員報告,因為詳細資料不是我在督導,是另外一個副主委,所以我們可以把相關的調查資料跟協助的情況跟我們做一個報告。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具、「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具、「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具 |