| IVOD_ID |
151221 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151221 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T09:50:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T10:04:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cfb4b12132f016276bd6d34562497afbcf744a9f110b3b1fc5dab72e655c1c94b67a135d127549fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:36 - 10:04:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、行政院消費者保護處就「如何改善我國融資公司因缺乏監管所衍生之社會亂象，以穩定金融市場並保障消費者權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請內政部警政署、法務部列席備詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（9時50分）謝謝主席。主席以及各位先進，先請經濟部的陳次長。 |
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主席：請陳次長。 |
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陳次長正祺：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：次長，你早。我們看到前天差一點北臺灣就限電，備轉容量不到3%，後來是企業界，包括台塑、台積電幫忙發電，工業用戶配合。結果昨天開始桃園3萬戶停電了，全國停電了，我們看到的現象是什麼？4月1號開始漲價了，看到的是什麼？增資，把你們台電的資本額從3,300億增資到5,800億，增資了二千多億，然後疫後經濟每個人發6,000塊的時候，同時給台電500億，現在又給台電1,000億，所以外加補貼1,500億啊，給了台電這麼多錢，「離離落落」，現在呢？我今天題目叫做「搶救台電大作戰」，昨天（416）怎麼會桃園上萬戶限電呢？現在才4月份，沒有很熱耶，7月份的時候怎麼辦？ |
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陳次長正祺：這個跟地震有關係，我請台電來說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：地震？只有一個和平電廠，什麼都賴給地震！ |
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許專業總工程師國隆：委員好…… |
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賴委員士葆：你是哪一位？ |
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許專業總工程師國隆：台電專總許國隆。先跟委員報告一下，有關於昨天桃園大停電，事實上是因為電纜故障，第一個是有電纜故障，另外有一條饋線斷線，在這兩個情形之下，導致桃園在不同時段有萬戶停電，這個地方實在很抱歉。 |
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賴委員士葆：今天會不會再停電了？今天會不會再停電？ |
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許專業總工程師國隆：我們這方面…… |
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賴委員士葆：今天會不會？你回答我yes or no，今天會不會再停電？ |
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許專業總工程師國隆：今天…… |
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賴委員士葆：今天、今天，today！今天會不會？請回答。 |
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許專業總工程師國隆：我跟委員報告，全臺的饋線差不多有1萬1,000條，這一部分我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你不敢保證今天不會停電喔！專總啊，我剛才講了，給了你們這麼多錢，結果你的成績是讓老百姓每天「剉咧等」，可能會停電，每天都有停電，全臺饋線是管理的問題啊！ |
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許專業總工程師國隆：委員，對於這個方面我們會檢討。 |
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賴委員士葆：這樣而已喔？來，次長，我問你，核三廠1號機7月份要除役是不是確定的？ |
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陳次長正祺：報告委員，應該是停機，不是除役啦，除役還有一個程序要進行。 |
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賴委員士葆：停機？所以隨時可以開機？ |
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陳次長正祺：欸…… |
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賴委員士葆：停機跟除役有什麼不一樣？ |
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陳次長正祺：我請能源署副署長說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，請講。 |
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吳副署長志偉：跟委員報告，那個是因為運轉執照到期，所以就要進入停機的狀態。 |
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賴委員士葆：停機不等於除役喔？我第一次聽到耶！ |
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吳副署長志偉：它的運轉執照已經到期了…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以不能運轉了？ |
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吳副署長志偉：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼情況可以再運轉？ |
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吳副署長志偉：因為運轉執照到期以後就不能運轉了。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以再運轉啊？ |
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吳副署長志偉：要有執照。 |
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賴委員士葆：要有執照？ |
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吳副署長志偉：對，要運轉執照。 |
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賴委員士葆：要多久時間可以申請再運轉執照？ |
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吳副署長志偉：我記得依照現行的規定，申請的時間已經過期了。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以都沒有申請了？也就是告訴我們老百姓，給台電這麼多錢，隨時都要提心吊膽可能今天停電、可能今天限電，次長啊，幾位長官啊，人家整理出來了，核二、核三如果延役10年可以替國家省了或者賺了1兆以上，錯誤的能源政策就是要付出這麼大的代價啦！好吧，幾位請回。 |
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接下來我想請金管會的黃主委。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委好。剛才吳委員肯定你，我很早就肯定你了，說不定是我太早肯定你，害你丟官也不一定，說實在的，你做得不錯啦，也很打拚，該做的、該嚴格的嚴格，該監理的、該發展的發展，你怎麼會沒有繼續做呢？奇怪耶！ |
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來，莊部長也一起來，你是繼續做的，兩個人對照一下，看一下。 |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你最近心情不錯吧？ |
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莊部長翠雲：心情沒有任何變動。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有變動？ |
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莊部長翠雲：嗯。 |
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賴委員士葆：電話接到了嘛，你那時候來這裡說沒有接到電話，現在接到了嘛！ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，所有的人事還是以準行政院長卓院長的發布為主。 |
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賴委員士葆：你什麼時候接到電話的？ |
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莊部長翠雲：這個我沒有辦法跟您回答。 |
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賴委員士葆：不願意講就對了，這是你跟他的秘密啦！部長，人家相中你繼續做的理由是什麼？你知道嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我想這個部分我也沒辦法回答，因為我…… |
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賴委員士葆：也沒有辦法回答，我知道啦！黃主委，為什麼你會被換掉？做得這麼讚，你為什麼會被換掉？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：這個不是今天討論的議題啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我關心啊！中華民國的好官被換掉，我關心啊！我毋甘啊！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：報告委員，不用浪費時間在我身上，開會啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：不是，這不是浪費時間喔，這不是浪費時間喔！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：應該看新主委，不是看我這個要離開的人啦，所以不要浪費時間在我身上啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：不、不、不，不是這樣，這個最少要肯定，要讓大家知道你是好官，你沒有繼續做是國家的損失，就是要這樣說，說不定卓榮泰聽到以後會繼續讓你當政委也不一定啦。 |
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來，我要提的東西請你照實回答，我肯定你是因為你講真話，部長也先不要走，稍後還有問題要問你。準經濟部長郭智輝收到客戶的錢，本來是過路財神，但他把它變成自己的業績，股價上漲，在2014年被法院判定違反證交法第一百七十一條，判了1年10個月，違反商會法被判3個月，他的辯護律師叫顧立雄，我都高度質疑喔，今天要不是顧立雄厲害喔，換一個李立雄或者白立雄可能就沒有這樣的結果，給他緩刑5年耶！ |
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來，請法務部檢察司副司長上台一下。 |
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簡副司長美慧：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：請問副司長，緩刑有沒有罪？ |
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簡副司長美慧：跟委員報告，緩刑表示說法院認定事實之後認為是構成要件該當，但是按照刑法第七十四條的規定，認為宣告刑在二年以下，合於一定的條件，以暫不執行宣告刑為適當。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，你講的這樣「落落長」，我們聽不是很懂耶，白話文告訴我有沒有罪啦，就這樣，有沒有罪？有沒有罪？ |
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簡副司長美慧：緩刑就是法院認定檢察官起訴的事實會該當那個構成要件。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是啊，有沒有罪嘛？我就跟你講…… |
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簡副司長美慧：有，但是…… |
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賴委員士葆：有嘛！我就是要問你這句話…… |
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檢附司長美慧：但是以暫不執行為必要…… |
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賴委員士葆：一句話、一個字就好了，說得這樣「落落長」，我聽得不是很懂。有啦，這個有罪，他說他企業經營得很好，半導體很會，賣魚很會啦，臺灣這樣的企業家很多，為什麼一定要找一個人設有缺陷的郭智輝，我就不懂了，這個東西跟副司長沒有關係啦，你先請回，我只是要你這個答案，有罪啦，不是沒罪啦，對不對？ |
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請教主委或者局長，我能不能說董事長跟財會人員作假帳被檢調抓到以後，自己去把它重新更正回來，可不可以這樣講？可不可以？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：這個可以請張局長跟您報告嗎？謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：張局長，請講。 |
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張局長振山：跟委員報告，這個事情應該是他財報太早入帳，資訊不正確，不正確之後，他後來就重編，重編之後，後面的時間檢察官才起訴…… |
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賴委員士葆：不對喔！你要看一下時間序列，我都看了，是檢察官去調查以後，他才自己編過來，如果檢察官沒有介入的話，他怎麼會自己重新更正，重新更正的話，根本沒有罪，根本不會被判罪啊！ |
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張局長振山：跟委員報告，這個案子因為對方新加坡的公司有對他提告，所以檢察官在後面才去執行…… |
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賴委員士葆：對嘛！就是他把過路財神（人家的錢）當作自己的收入，是這個樣子嘛！ |
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張局長振山：但是他96年已經重編了。 |
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賴委員士葆：重編是因為檢察官介入調查，才重編，他不會主動自己重編的啦！自己重編，不會有罪，怎麼會有罪？ |
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張局長振山：檢察官在98年的時候…… |
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賴委員士葆：他又沒有要當金管會主委，你不必替他講話啦！ |
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財政部長，我就問你一句話，李遠哲說2050的淨零排放不可能，臺灣要課碳稅。不要忘了，李遠哲在2020是大力支持賴清德，和四個綠營的大老登了一個廣告，請蔡英文不要選2020，給賴清德選。他是非常挺賴清德，賴清德會受他影響的。要課碳稅，李遠哲講的，請問你有沒有規劃課碳稅？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，現在我們是碳費先行，所以會先從碳費來…… |
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賴委員士葆：碳費不夠，李遠哲說不行，要碳稅啦！ |
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莊部長翠雲：至於碳稅是不是要開徵，要等碳費執行一段時間，當然財政部目前也在蒐集國際間相關的一些資料，看看國際間怎麼樣做，所以我們會持續的去關注國際的作法，以及…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以目前沒有課碳稅的計畫就對了啦！ |
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莊部長翠雲：目前就是我們在蒐集資料當中。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有？沒有…… |
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莊部長翠雲：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：你仔細讀一讀李遠哲怎麼講，你請回。 |
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莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：我再請經濟部商業署的署長，好不好？還有黃主委一起待著，我最後一個問完，很快問完。 |
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公司法第十五條規定，公司不可以借貸給私人。我們去撈，只要公司名字有「借貸」、「融資」或者「資融」（「融資」倒過來）的，有258家…… |
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蘇署長文玲：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：那是一般的統計，海選的話，最少幾千家，它只是不掛這個名字而已，現在好了，106年行政院開一次院會，針對主管機關，應該是金管會，黃主委，到現在為止沒有耶！你不當主管機關耶！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：對，您的資訊是正確的，在106年行政院開會，當時並沒有對這個議題有最後的決定。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以到現在沒有人管耶！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：但是從過去這一年我們其實陸陸續續從行為面已經在做相關的督導…… |
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賴委員士葆：好，我這句話講完就可以了。這是根據麻吉配的資料，年輕人借6萬買機車，先扣9,000元利息，15%，手續費6,000，共1.5萬，他個人要付24期（2年）7.3萬，所以7.3萬減掉車行拿4.5萬，因為前面1.5萬已經扣掉了，除以6萬，47%耶！實質利率47%耶！這是道道地地的高利啊！請問金管會怎麼看？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：委員，你指正的很重要，所以今天我們在報告中也特別提到，這種不當名目收取利率或是利率與違約金併收的方式，都會在這次的規範中去做處理，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：你會不會處理？像這個就是高利貸啦！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：都會處理。 |
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賴委員士葆：都會處理喔！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候處理要跟我們報告一下吧！ |
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黃主任委員天牧：會，這個報告中第6頁、第7頁就有講，4月3日已經通過相關的規範，這都是上市公司，交易所年底之前會進入內控的查核，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。 |
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主席（王委員鴻薇代）：謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
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接下來請郭國文委員質詢。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、行政院消費者保護處就
「如何改善我國融資公司因缺乏監管所衍生之社會亂象，以穩定金融市場並保障消費者權益」進
行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請內政部警政署、法務部列席備詢 |
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臺租臺積電幫忙發電工業用戶配合就昨天開始桃園上萬戶停電了全國停電了我們看到的現象是什麼4月1號開始漲價了 |
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看到的是什麼?增資,把你們台電的資本額從3300增資到5800,增資了2000多億,然後疫後經濟每個人發6000塊的時候同時給台電500億,現在又給台電1000億,所以外加補貼1500億了。 |
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昨天怎麼會416上萬戶的限電現在才四月份沒有很熱七月份的時候怎麼辦這個跟地震有關係我請台電來處理地震 |
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委員好台電專總是國融先跟委員報告一下昨天有關於桃園大停電事實上它是因為電纜故障第一個是有電纜故障另外一條潰線它斷線所以這兩個情形之下導致我們桃園在不同時段會有萬戶的停電所以這個地方是要今天會不會再停電了今天 |
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今天會不會再停電?今天會不會再停電?今天?今天? |
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Today?今天會不會?請?請回答我跟委員報告齁,全台的虧薪差不多有一萬一千條那這一部分,我們所以你不敢保證今天不會停電喔?喔!專種啊! |
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我剛才講了給你們這麼多錢結果你的成績是讓老百姓每天都在揶揄可能會停電每天都有停電缺牌、虧欠管理的問題啊我們這個方面我們會檢討這樣而已來市長我問你你河山廠的一號機七月份要處理是不是確定的 |
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法委應該是停機不是除役啦除役還有一個程序要進行停機所以隨時可以開機停機跟除役什麼不一樣請能源署副署長跟我們報告他那個是因為運轉執照到期所以他就要進入因為運轉執照到期所以他要進入停機的狀態停機不等於除役喔他運轉執照已經到期了他運轉執照已經到期了所以不能運轉了 |
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什麼情況可以再運轉?是,因為運轉得到到期以後就不能運轉了。什麼時候可以再運轉?要執照,要多久時間可以再申請再運轉執照? |
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他現在我記得他依照現行的規定他申請的時間已經過期了所以都沒有申請了所以也就是告訴我們老百姓給台電這麼多錢隨時都提心吊膽可能會今天停電可能今天限電市長啊、幾位長官啊人家整理出來了河澳河山如果延逸 |
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委員號 |
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剛才我已經肯定了我很早就肯定你了說不定我太早肯定你了害你中關你不一定的這樣人家做就不錯了人家就這樣很怕命該做的該嚴格的嚴格該這個監理的該發展的發展你怎麼會沒有繼續做呢奇怪咧來來莊部長一起來你繼續做的兩個人對照一下看這個 |
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來部長你最近心情不錯吧最近心情不錯吧心情沒有任何變動沒有變動電話接到了嗎你那時候來這裡說沒有接到電話接到了嗎根據委員報告所有的人士還是以準行政院長作為院長的發布為主你什麼時候接到電話的這個我沒有辦法跟您回答這不會講就對了齁這是你跟他的秘密了齁 |
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部長,人家相中你繼續做的理由是什麼?你知道嗎?我想這個部分我也沒有辦法回答。黃主委,為什麼你會被換掉? |
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這也不是今天討論的議題啊!我關心啊!中華民國的好官被換掉我關心啊!我不幹嘛!這不是浪費時間喔!這不是浪費時間喔!你們應該看新主委不是看我這個要離開的人啦!所以不要浪費時間在我身上啦! |
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我肯定你是因為你講真話那部長上的先不要走還有問題要問你 |
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準經濟部長郭志輝他就是針對他收到客戶的錢他是過路財神捏把他變成自己的業績、股價上漲違反2014年法院判定的違反增加法171條判了一年10個月違反三塊法這個三個月變負歷史價顧立雄 |
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我都高度質疑喔今天要不是顧立雄厲害喔換一個李立雄或者白立雄可能就沒有這樣的結果給他緩刑欸緩刑五年欸來來來法務部的那個檢察室的副市長來一下嗎長官來一下請問請問那個副市長啊緩刑有沒有罪 |
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跟委員報告緩刑表示說法院認定事實之後認為是構成要件該當但是按照刑法74條的規定認為宣告刑在兩年以下和一定的條件以暫不執行這個宣告刑為適當 |
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對,沒有,你講那個落落凍,我們聽,聽人,聽不是很懂耶白話我告訴我有沒有罪啦,這樣啦,有沒有罪有沒有罪緩刑那就是法院認定甲官起訴的事實會該當那個構成的要件有沒有罪嘛,我就跟你講,有沒有嘛,我就問你這一句什麼一句就好了,一句就好了,說啊,落落凍我聽說不好有啦,這個,有罪 |
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他說他這個企業經營得很好有半導體委員會、賣魚委員會臺灣這樣的企業家很賣為什麼一定要找一個有人色有缺陷的郭志輝我就不懂啊這個東西跟你跟副市長沒有關係的我要強調的就是我請教那個你先請回我就要你這個答案因為我醉啦不是沒醉啦對不對 |
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我就請教這個主委或者局長啊這個我能不能說董事長跟財管人員最後假帳被檢調抓到以後自己才去把他就把他重新的更正回來可不可以這樣講可不可以這個可以請莊局長跟您報告嗎謝謝莊局長來請請講 |
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跟委員報告他這個事情應該是說他財報太早入帳資訊不正確不正確之後再來他就後來就重編重編之後後面的時間才檢察官起訴是起訴那不是不對啊你要看一下時間序列我都看了喔 |
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是檢察官去調查以後他才自己把它編過來如果檢察官沒有介入的話他怎麼會去自己把它重新更正啊那重新更正的話根本沒有罪根本不會判罪啊跟委員報告他這個案子因為對方新加坡的公司有來對他起告所以檢察官在後面才去執行對嘛就是就是他把過路財神人家的錢把他當作自己的收入嘛現在他96年已經重編了 |
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重編是因為檢察官戒律調查在重編他不會主動自己重編的啦自己重編不會有罪啊 怎麼會有罪檢察官 檢察官在98年的時候還沒了解我們 這個你 你他還沒有來當警察我主委你不會聽他講話啦 這個來 我們來看一下齁 那個財政部長我就問你一句話 |
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李遠哲說2050的進行排外不可能臺灣要課碳稅不要忘了李遠哲在2020是大力支持賴清德跟幾個綠營的大佬四個大佬登了一個廣告請財務部不要選2020給賴清德選他是非常挺賴清德賴清德會受到影響的要課碳稅李遠哲講了請問你有沒有規劃課碳稅 |
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財政部目前也在收集國際間的相關的一些資料,看看國際間怎麼樣做,那所以我們會持續的去關注國際的做法以及對岸碳稅的一個,目前就是我們的收集資料中 |
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公司法15條規定公司不可以借貸給私人 |
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我們去撈啊只要公司名字有借貸有融資或者資融融資倒過來資融有258家但是一般的統計了海選的話說最少幾千家他只是不掛這個名字而已現在好了 |
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一百零六年行政院開設議會說要求主管機關應該是經管會黃主委到現在為止沒有你不當主管機關您的資訊是正確的在一百零六年行政院到現在當時並沒有對這個議題有最後的決定所以到現在沒有人管 |
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呃但是從過去這一年我們其實陸陸續續從行為內已經在做相關的讀讀 |
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這裏面是根據馬吉佩他的資料年輕人借6萬買機車扣9千塊利息15% 9千塊手續費6千 1.5萬結果他個人要付就是24期兩年付7.3萬所以7.3萬減掉車行拿4.5萬因為前面1.5萬已經扣掉了除以6 百分之47 |
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實質利率盤是47啊這是到底的高利啊請問金融會怎麼看委員您指正的很重要所以今天我們在報告中也特別提到這種不當名目收取利率或是利率跟違約金並收的方式都會在這次的規範中去做處理謝謝你又不會處理嗎現在這個就高利貸了啊都會處理都會處理喔對 |
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主席 |