| IVOD_ID |
151101 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151101 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-15 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-15T10:12:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-15T10:19:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
吳春城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:03 - 10:19:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會「學生輔導法」修法公聽會（事由：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會「學生輔導法」修法公聽會） |
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吳春城立委吳俊瑞輔導主任請準備 |
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主席各位勞苦功高的教育界的專家學者先進對於今天這個輔導法的討論我完全贊成現在因為已經症狀百出了所以就像這則新聞我們的教育制度出問題管教學生老師有心無力 |
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我相信大家都很有心有心都沒有問題但是我也可以感受到大家非常大的無力感因為我自己在學校教書也教了十幾年在大學當兼任副教授十幾年所以跟青年學子 |
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吳春城議員 |
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我同時也要請求大家專家學者去思考為什麼有心無力的地方更深度的問題教改三十年我自己深深的感受就這一張圖我們這一代的教育叫行為主義教育理論當時叫做天壓式教育老師站在台上往下一看 |
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都是阿貓阿狗對不對各個都很聽話搖尾巴尊師重道對不對經過30年的教育改革當年老師從台上往下看看到的下面是什麼老虎獅子是不是有沒有生酮感受老虎獅子那表示什麼表示我們品種改良成功我們的教改是成功的 |
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我們教改是成功的我們把阿貓阿狗變成了老虎獅子但是現在談輔導法我就要深刻去探討一個問題我們現在是用輔導阿貓阿狗的輔導法還是用輔導獅子老虎的輔導法 |
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這就是網路上所謂的利世代 |
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現在很多職場104都說歷史帶來了進入職場了你覺得企業聽到以後是覺得哇百萬青年十萬青年十萬軍大家很開心嗎大家聽到的是覺得狼來了我不曉得我們教育體系培養了這麼多然後進入這大家不是說哇百萬青年充滿了這個而是感到害怕 |
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問題出在哪裡呢?我覺得我們不從根本的問題去解決如果只是從症狀上的治療那當然也是必要因為我們現在症狀已經面臨到臨界點快崩潰了啦快崩潰了啦所以我贊成增加人手增加人力這個先防堵防堵不是一個好方法但是防堵也是一個必要的方法先防堵但是不是根本的方法要能夠更深一度的改善 |
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首先因為我在立法院是以提倡壯世代就是台灣進入高齡化社會的問題我在大學我去大學演講我就問校長我說你的孩子我在跟他們談壯世代我跟他們講說你的孩子明年畢業從大學畢業一腳就跨進什麼?超高齡社會 |
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五個人就一個人超過65歲當這個孩子30歲的時候2034年台灣一般的人口超過50歲當這個孩子40歲的時候台灣一般的人口超過60歲那什麼意思這個孩子一輩子都在超高齡社會裡面校長聽了以後嚇一跳嚇一跳這個孩子你說的教育不是為要培養他未來到什麼戰場去嗎 |
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結果我們的教育戰場設定錯誤他告訴我我們都以為告訴孩子我們未來都是一個青春無敵的社會大錯特錯送去哪裡的戰場都送錯了 |
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這個就是一個根本的一個結構性的問題如果沒有警覺然後呢我們把他變成老虎獅子以後我們沒有給他舞台沒有給他希望沒有給他未來然後呢他有儲存他有充滿很大的慾望力量還有這樣子 |
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結果這些力量沒有舞台沒有辦法發揮我們現在整個社會是把他們送到什麼?送到網路世界送到虛擬世界去傾瀉他的過剩的經歷所以他就會在虛擬世界跟現實世界產生問題嘛你如何輔導呢?請問這樣子如何輔導呢?只能快要發生狀況的時候延緩一下而已沒有辦法根本的解決所以呢這可以導致 |
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臺灣社會是亞洲世代對立最嚴重的國家導致於我們老人被歧視我們年輕人沒有未來互相零和的一個關係教育界有沒有注意到這個問題我們單方面的問題是無法解決的未來高齡化造成大量的臥床族 |
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臺灣現在臥床超過了8年然後少子化造成了躺平族臺灣未來躺成一片這不是我們教育的責任嗎所以我在這裡提出了我在立法院大聲幾乎在每一個部會這個也不是衛福部老人問題不是衛福部的問題老人福利壯世代高齡社會高齡社會不是衛福部的問題而已高齡社會是所有部會的問題 |
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425.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
452.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
勞動部勞動是長壽社會非常重要的要件勞動部有這種見解嗎金管會財政部這個這麼大的三分之二財富掌握在他們手裡所以呢給他們舞台給他們未來所以創造了叫聯合經濟世代的融合這才是根本解決之道我也希望我們教育界你們都是專家但是呢除了在這裡 |
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453.945 |
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454.326 |
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