IVOD_ID |
151047 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151047 |
日期 |
2024-04-11 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-7 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
1 |
會議資料.會次 |
7 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2024-04-11T11:01:00+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-04-11T11:15:45+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:14:45 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40ef09094e90200b8fe9a755e1c927d7039536c142cb44fdf8ba9b0039caa7a6989ff97b2754fa435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
吳春城 |
委員發言時間 |
11:01:00 - 11:15:45 |
會議時間 |
2024-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議(事由:邀請國家科學及技術委員會列席就「國家科技發展策略與布局」進行專題報告,並備質詢。(4月10日及11日二天一次會)) |
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好,謝謝,了解,了解,了解我跟妳講,現在才要來清兩脈妳的家庭要一年九個月那接下來妳覺得是更密集的事嗎?那既然有這樣的問題,就希望能找直接的方法來解釋對,後來我們會面臨這個問題好,那現在已經有一個部分在整個領域改新的方法是不是上次的方式剛好這個方式 |
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他如果來台灣找到高科技的產業﹖當然是科技的產業﹖那我想台灣的高科技產業﹖那我想大嶼的過程之外﹖還在一些公部門﹖但是在高科技的形態上﹖還是我想在企業上﹖ |
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主委請問你貴庚幾歲? |
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我滿60,還沒滿61我52年次所以您的提議很有感有感,已經到了適用的年齡 |
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我們的新內閣出來當然其他幾位有年輕化但是我們這一個新的院長65歲你覺得他65歲在你們科技人當中你覺得65歲以後要做什麼 |
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65歲應該是相當成熟的一個階段應該相當成熟,他可以發揮,如果在美國他事實上沒有退休的很多到80歲90歲我看到諾貝爾獎得主很多所以我們就叫做AI內閣嘛對不對不是AI啦就是有行動跟創新嘛對不對65歲以後能夠帶動行動創新對不對所以你很認同那我們看一下這個是國科會規劃的嗎 |
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去年的高齡大部分嘛,跨部會,但是國科會在主導嘛,對不對?這個是給幾歲以上的人用的? |
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那你覺得我們現在的那個卓院長哪一些東西適合他來用?長照嗎?玉立遺囑嗎?會不會?高嶺之長你覺得哪一些東西他會用?他需要他看了以後蓬然心動你有看哪一項? |
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為什麼標題一開始講左座方向的高齡科技產業我覺得非常重要今天講這個事情實在太重要了因為你們車子已經開下去了然後我看了今天的這份報告裡面你們未來科技的一個布局策略跟布局有關高齡社會的還是只有精準醫療而已其他的都一樣是沒有 |
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阿這個已經講很多次了你看就像這大概就是這個嘛那個普惠科技阿你看他的高齡者的想像的場域就是醫院養老院藥局嘛樂齡宅樂齡大學社區大概就在這些圈子裡面繞來繞去嘛你們設想他們未來的生活需要在這個圈子繞來繞去吧我告訴你這裡這一些人未來2034年台灣一半的人超過50歲2045年一半人超過60歲整個台灣未來社會就是由這一群人構成欸 |
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整天在這裏洗來洗去科技是一種百年大業朝的方向都已經方向都錯誤了這個錯誤理由不得了我跟你講所以不要講那麼大的講最近你們已經預定在做的一個計畫叫做高齡者數位資源獲取平台是不是國科會在主導這件事情數位部大家來看 |
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我看了以後很擔心我看了以後很擔心你看我們來看就是數位部做的去年的調查 |
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我們現在有500萬高齡者60歲以上的僅有87.5萬在使用網路還有一半的人沒有網路的使用另外一半的人在使用當中有 |
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有這個一半的一半250萬人在使用當中只有3乘5在使用那這個要檢討原因為什麼普及率不高另外呢另外呢一半的人我們就放棄他嗎氣質不管嗎這招人數未失能那你有沒有想更多的誘因平台你現在在規劃這個東西嗎怎麼吸引他們來來來投入我覺得要思考的問題 |
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那我們看看你們現在做的你們現在做出來的這個高齡學期平台的一個架構這個架構看起來就已經很可怕了因為你的目標照顧有愛高齡無愛這個有夠LKK的 |
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目標設定就錯誤啦他是要美好的第三人生啦所以你看你們那個架構就學習資源然後生活資源就叫老人送餐叫車服務社交就是引髮住宅電心然後關懷社區關懷據點就是搞這一些啦真的是這個要拜託這個 |
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好所以呢基本上我一直在談的就是現在目前我們國科會我們整個高齡科技看到的都還是銀髮需求這裡還是重調一下你銀髮就是黃色這一邊的藍色基本上我想我應該沒有誤解你們你們把誤色的然後現在現在的人真的就是已經進入到壯世代你才有感因為你也是壯世代所以一聽你一定會覺得你是藍色這一邊的嘛這些才會讓你心動嘛 |
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這個就是我們現在這個MASL的這個人生的價值層次這一個我們現在說做的就是低層次的生理需求、安全需求直到這個連到愛的需求都沒有尊嚴的需求都沒有上面的所有的需求都沒有你們都做最低層次的 |
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現在勞動部非常的號召壯士來重返職場那這個是21世紀高齡勞動是主流是非常重要的全世界朝著李方講數位勞動也是主流 |
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那所以如何讓高齡者能夠數位化這是應該列為國家重大政策嗎應該是國科會重中之重非常重一半人口欸這一半人口這一半氣質不管我不曉得還有什麼更重要的事情 |
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所以至少啦其實這個大有檢討的必要回去可不可以重新來思考這個架構因為照這個架構走下去我覺得真的是完蛋了國家就完蛋了所以現在國科運業上次我就有跟我們主委有提出你們願意做這個需求調查嘛正在進行中啦但是呢 |
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吳春城議員 |
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主席 |