| IVOD_ID |
151032 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151032 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2024040375 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
「如何落實國會調查／聽證權以有效監督行政機關，並防範機密外洩危害國安」公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-11T10:04:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-11T10:10:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:49 - 10:10:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會公聽會（事由：「如何落實國會調查／聽證權以有效監督行政機關，並防範機密外洩危害國安」公聽會） |
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今天交互委員會審查作為公聽會依據的有28案 |
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這是28案決大部分是國民黨部分的民眾黨所提的提什麼呢提立法院職權刑事法提立法院組織法裡面只有少數的三個案子不是國民兩黨提的國民黨跟民眾黨提的是由民進黨提出的立法委員行為法民進黨提的立法院的議事規則規範什麼內容規範在上螢幕上 |
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因為當我們立法院職權行使要擴張要強調調查權的時候有沒有相對應的權責相符可以我們守密的義務當你調查可以調查機密的時候調查者有沒有守密的義務所以我們看到賴立榮等委員在22案跟28案分別都對於議事規則都有將他訂定參加會議秘密會人的行為規範對於立法委員本身要具以規範 |
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在後面我們的參考資料當中民進黨團也負責任的提出了四個案其中兩個案也是一樣立法委員行為法跟立法院的議事規則我們目前討論的當我們擴大或落實立法院的調查權的同時國會的調查權的同時我們要注意到什麼我們看到下一頁這些機密有沒有涉及到損及到 |
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人民民間私人的營業秘密有沒有影響到我們國家安全的機密所以還有兩個法除了會議議事規則除了立法委員行為法要刻意立法委員有守密的義務違反者要刻意刑責之外 |
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抱歉我要說的不是我們幾位委員所說的一種自律也不是立法院的紀律委員會的一個處分而是刑責我們看到在目前國家機密保法的第26條下列人員應該經過機關首長的核准這些是觸及到國家機密的 |
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請問立法院的秘密會不會有觸及到國家機密?有啊!潛艦國造是不是國家機密?是啊!立法委員可不可以要求看啊?可以啊!審預算看不到內容?看得到啊!立法委員看到之後還有誰看得到?立法院的工作人員根據國家機密保護法這些接觸到機密的人員必須出境的時候要向機關首長的核准立法院的機關首長是誰?就是立法院院長 |
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所以未來當立法委員行使調查權涉及到機密的時候涉及到秘密會議的時候參與秘密會議的立法委員本人以及會場的工作人員依照國家秘密法文法第26條的原則他要出境之前必須取得立法院院長的同意要不要修法 要誰的責任 本院的責任 請看下一頁除此之外 我們目前最大的境外敵對勢力是哪裡 |
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不用外求就在兩三百公里遠的地方叫做中國中華人民共和國在我們兩岸人民關係條例當中進入大陸地區要怎麼樣要審查會審查許可包括國安局法務部跟陸委會和相關機關組成的審查會請問剛剛所說的如果立法委員在參與進行調查權涉及到的秘密會議當中有觸及到會損害到國家利益的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
當這些人要去兩岸進行經常平民的交流的時候要不要經過審查出境前要不要報告回國要不要報告所以這也是兩岸條例第9條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
230.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
247.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
第三項要面對處理的所以今天當我們談到立法院要強化職權 國會要有調查權 要有聽證權要能夠要求公務機關有不得拒絕 只要是基於立法相關核心持權要進行的不只文件調閱 這些公務機關必須來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
250.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
251.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
公聽委員．鍾佳濱公聽委員．鍾佳濱 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
272.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
286.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
我們不斷地強調包括昨天的公聽會也有包括不分各政黨所推薦的專家學者代表都提到了其實最重要的當我們行使權力的相對面就是自律立法院單靠自律是不夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
287.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
287.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
公聽委員：鍾佳濱：鍾佳濱 |