| IVOD_ID |
151005 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151005 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-10T12:52:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-10T13:01:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/871d5246fb87948eea76c4cce21f662e2d211db49933aca9f8ba9b0039caa7a6542a0eef5cefb9855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:52:08 - 13:01:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部列席就「『擴大幼兒教保公共化』成效及未來策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。（4月10日及11日二天一次會）） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（12時52分）謝謝美麗的主席，我們請政次。 |
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主席：有請林次長。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：彭署長也有來，我們一起討論，因為時間的關係。 |
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主席：請彭署長。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席還是要跟您討論，我們各個委員都一直在討論，就是準公托的這個事情，那教師怎麼辦？直接切入主題，我們現在說要一比十五，現在是一比十二，所有業者都很聽政府的話，都加入準公托，政府鼓勵，大家都聽話。聽話了之後，你一改再改，一比十二到一比十五，老師要增加多少，次長有算過嗎？一個政策推下去，一比十二跟一比十五，你要有多少老師？現在學校畢業的，還有唸學分專班的，到現在所有的業者請不到老師。請不到老師，連公家的缺，更不要講私立，還有加入準公托的，那怎麼辦？那怎麼辦？馬上面臨8月份，現在要怎麼辦？ |
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林次長明裕：是的，謝謝委員關心，這個師生比降下來以後，老師量要增加，所以我們公立…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我再次強調，如果我們的來源是足夠，我們當然滿心歡喜！業者也高興啊！現在業者的痛苦是他找不到老師，那怎麼辦？ |
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林次長明裕：是，所以我們是採逐年下修師生比。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：什麼叫逐年下修？你現在是一比十二啊！ |
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林次長明裕：沒有…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你跟人家講8月要加入準公托，你要一比十五啊！ |
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林次長明裕：不對，跟委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：那你增加那些人，要從哪裡來？ |
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林次長明裕：你說顛倒了，目前是一比十五。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一比十五。你現在要一比十二啊！ |
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林次長明裕：我們分3年。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：大家都擔心到昏過去了，你知道嗎？你怎麼分3年？什麼叫分3年？ |
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林次長明裕：目前公幼先行，達到一比十二師生比的目前是73%，我們就…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：公家都做不到，本席問你，那私立跟加入你準公托的，怎麼做？ |
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林次長明裕：我們有獎勵機制。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：怎麼樣的獎勵機制？你給錢？你叫人家之前加了一千五，現在5年以上要加多少？現在又加了一千二，那你補人家也沒有給人家多少！ |
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林次長明裕：這個都在合作費用裡面。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：，那你到底給人家多少也不知道，就一聲令下。 |
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林次長明裕：有…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：要加多少？ |
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林次長明裕：我們那個概算出來了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：怎麼算出來的？ |
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林次長明裕：就是跟今年1月…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：針對本席的提問。 |
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林次長明裕：1月…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：等一下，針對本席的問題回答，現在不是錢的問題，我是說人的問題。 |
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林次長明裕：人的問題…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：怎麼辦？ |
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林次長明裕：我們一年幼教系畢業的有四千人。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你講這個，就跟醫病比一樣，一年有多少，不要說天方夜譚啦！一年有多少是護理師、護理系畢業，從事的有幾成？一成，對不對？ |
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林次長明裕：當然職場的環境也很重要。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：現在也是一樣。你有沒有聽到…… |
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林次長明裕：要留得住他。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當然哪！要留得住他。怎麼留得住他？業者全力配合，你叫人家準公托，他都配合你，那你現在…… |
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林次長明裕：8月份可能會調薪。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一比十五到一比十二，你就用調薪，你叫業者調薪，業者也聽你的話…… |
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林次長明裕：調薪是我出的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：剛才說的一千二，那你要加多少？ |
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林次長明裕：不是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你給人家補得夠嗎？ |
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林次長明裕：調薪，這我們會來算，計算…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：會算夠嗎？ |
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林次長明裕：都算進來了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：會算夠嗎？這個都有錄音、錄影。 |
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林次長明裕：有。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你叫人家調多少，你有給多少嗎？ |
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林次長明裕：報告委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：夠嗎？你不要再講其他的。 |
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林次長明裕：署長有算過了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你不要再講到其他的。本席請教兩個議題，缺人要怎麼辦？你要補錢，你補得夠嗎？補錢，這還不是重點，因為缺人，怎麼辦？假設準公托全部退場，你做得來嗎？你有沒有思考到這個問題？ |
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林次長明裕：委員，我跟你說一個數字，準公托加入合作的園所，今年會突破兩千所，那委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：就是大家都聽你政府的啦！ |
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林次長明裕：是啊…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以加進去以後，你叫人家加薪，沒問題、錢不是問題；你叫人家要增加人，也沒問題，可是我找不到人，請你幫我找，好不好？請你幫我找，好不好？ |
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林次長明裕：我們要努力。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：不是你們「要努力」啊！是馬上會呈現！孩子每一天要照顧耶！ |
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林次長明裕：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這些業者都快發瘋了。對不對？不要製造這樣子，怎麼辦？ |
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林次長明裕：所以我們有3年緩衝期。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當時保育員跟老師的這個部分你們延長，時間到了，5年到期，沒有那麼多保育員，也沒有那麼多教師，你再延長一次，就這樣子。那你現在怎麼辦？馬上8月份要到了，你要怎麼辦？十五變十二，要怎麼辦？因為你面臨到一個問題…… |
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林次長明裕：所以我們是分3年。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：幼幼班一班16個…… |
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林次長明裕：一比八。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你有沒有發覺，已經一比八，現在沒有人要辦，我們所有的業者苦不堪言！孩子的妹妹、弟弟，拜託一定要教啦！這些業者還是要開班，都為政府在解決問題耶！那怎麼辦？ |
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林次長明裕：對啦！我們也…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以要怎麼辦？ |
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林次長明裕：委員，所以幼教…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：乖乖的人就開班，開班又找不到人，這怎麼辦？這要怎麼辦？這問題很大。 |
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林次長明裕：私幼有開設2歲專班，我們是有補助。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：署長是專家，也是我非常認定的、他很用心。但問題是你要解決啊！要解決，業者的問題沒解決，家長的問題沒有辦法解決啊！我們現在是來源的問題啊！你們還笑得出來！業主來都哭得這樣了，你還笑得出來！ |
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林次長明裕：我們請署長跟你報告。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這個這麼嚴肅的議題，不要嬉笑，我告訴你。 |
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彭署長富源：委員剛才所提的幾件事情，我全都有記起來，會後…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你全都有記起來，拜託你解決，好不好？ |
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彭署長富源：對，不是記起來而已，因為你講的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：待會兒何欣純上來還是會講。 |
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彭署長富源：我都會記起來。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：很多藍、綠、白的委員都講。 |
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彭署長富源：都有記起來，委員剛才講的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為你一個政府的政策是讓人家沒有辦法執行的，而且你還要發號施令──加錢，加錢沒問題！對不對？ |
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彭署長富源：所以剛剛委員所提的，跟六大…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你補夠了沒有？你有沒有事先跟人家宣告？2個禮拜前啵一聲通知說你們要加多少。當你指示的時候，你有沒有告訴人家，說你會加人家多少錢？事後再講要過年了，啵一聲過年前就一聲令下了，對不對？事後、過年後才說我補你多少。有沒有補足？沒有補足啦！ |
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彭署長富源：委員剛才所提的，不管人力或是薪資的問題，都在我們跟六大團體的討論，所有的議題都詳詳細細地一個一個案談，談完之後我們才敢…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：署長，你講到重點了。 |
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彭署長富源：我們會繼續談。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：六大團體所講的議題全部都在我講的內容內。 |
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彭署長富源：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你看我有沒有探求民瘼？其實是…… |
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彭署長富源：是。我們剛剛有提到，4月底以前，我們儘量提前，有一些細節會完成進一步跟地方政府和六大團體的處理，中間有一些…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：什麼時候要告訴社會大眾？你說4月底要告訴我們什麼？ |
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彭署長富源：有一些細節，因為我們在3月…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：4月底以前，大家現在人心惶惶，心想我到底要不要加，還來一個…… |
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彭署長富源：會提前。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你如果沒有1比12，我就給你fire掉。喔，現在你比人家還兇，可以這樣嗎？ |
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彭署長富源：委員剛才所提的在3月29日已經公布了，有一些細節與地方政府和六大團體在兩週內，我們會詳細地…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：兩週內再去討論？ |
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彭署長富源：對，對，對。因為有些細節，像剛剛范雲委員提到勞動基準法，那一個在履約條件裡面雖然我們已經加了十項，那這一項，剛剛次長已經答應也會研議，像你剛剛所提的都會提。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，六大團體、各縣市政府，現在所有的議題，都是本席所提出來的，這是共同的困難，我們要好好地去研討，你要讓這條船開得動，對不對？你不是只有美化數字耶！你現在提了一個政策，業者根本沒有這麼多的師資，怎麼辦？你去問每一個業者，他們都苦不堪言。不要讓一個教育者受到這樣子的對待…… |
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彭署長富源：謝謝委員的提醒。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為我們一定要照顧好我們的孩子，協助我們的家長，投資教育，希望永遠在。那你要推行任何一個政策之前，你就要想，你推出一個政策，問題那麼…… |
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主席：請教育部國教署事後再給委員報告，好不好？ |
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彭署長富源：我用書面回答委員好了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，你推出一個政策，問題那麼多，所以我具體建議，以後你要公布什麼樣的政策，你應該要先好好地去思維再公布，而不是公布之後再來調整，這樣不對啦，相反了啦，跟剛剛我講的那個1比15跟1比12一樣，都會亂掉，對不對？所以拜託，好不好？ |
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彭署長富源：謝謝委員提醒，好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好好來討論，告訴我們，近期告訴我們方向，好不好？讓業者可以生存，好好地來照顧孩子，來協助家長，好不好？ |
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主席：謝謝楊委員，不好意思，不好意思。 |
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好，我們再來請林月琴委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
320 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-22-7 |
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林宜瑾 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
柯志恩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
葛如鈞 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
吳沛憶 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
陳秀寳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
吳春城 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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李慧琼議員 |
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主席還是要跟您討論我們各個委員都一直在討論就是准公托的這個事情那教師怎麼辦所以我們直接切入主題我們現在說要1比15現在是1比12所有的業者都很聽正如的話 |
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主席 |
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你一個政策下去1比12跟1比15你要多少老師你現在學校畢業的還有去這個再實習再念專班的學分的到現在所有的業者請不到老師請不到老師連公家的都欠了更不要講私立還有加入你準公托那是怎麼辦 |
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那這怎麼辦?馬上面臨到了8月份,現在要怎麼辦?所以謝委員關心師生筆,降下來以後老師量要增加我再次強調,如果我們的來源是足夠,我們當然滿心歡喜業者也高興,現在業者的痛苦是他找不到老師 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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公家都做不到來本席問你那失利的人跟加入你的準公托怎麼做 |
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主席 |
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163.389 |
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我們一年幼教系畢業的有4000人 |
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180.928 |
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主席 |
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8月份可能會調薪8月份可能會調薪8月份可能會調薪 |
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本席請教兩個議題 |
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你做得來嗎? |
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你有沒有思考到這個問題委員我跟你說一個數字齁總共投加入合作的這個元所是今年會突破2000所就是大家都聽你政府的啦所以加進去以後你叫人家加薪沒問題錢不是問題你叫人家人要增加我也沒問題我找不到人請你幫我找好不好 |
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請你幫我找好不好我們要努力啦不是你們要努力啊 是馬上會呈現欸孩子每一天要照顧欸是這一些的業者還要去笑啊 |
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5月15日及11日 |
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因為你面臨到一個問題 幼幼班一班16個去做的你有沒有發覺現在已經一比八 現在沒有人要班啦我們所有的業者苦不堪言欸 孩子的妹妹的弟弟 拜託啦一定要教啦這些業長還是要開班欸 都為政府在解決問題欸 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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我們請署長跟你報告 |
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這個這麼嚴肅的議題不要嬉笑 我告訴你你全都有記起來 拜託你解決好不好待會兒何欣淳上來還是會講很多藍綠白的委員都講因為你一個政府的政策你一個政府的政策是讓人家沒有辦法執行的而且你還要發號施令加錢 加錢沒問題 |
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你補補夠沒有?你有沒有時間先告人家?兩個禮拜前砰一聲通知你們要加多少?有沒有告訴人家?當你指示的時候你有沒有告訴人家?你會加人家多少錢?事後再講喔要過年了捧一聲過年前一個令下就來了對不對?事後過年後才說我補你多少 |
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6大團體所講的議題全部都在我講的內容內 |
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4月底以前,大家現在人情惶惶,我到底要不要講?還來一個,你如果沒有1比12,我就給你翻耳掉! |
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482.705 |
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委員現在所提那個在3月29日已經公布了那有一些細節跟地方政府和六大團體會在兩週內我們會詳細的兩週內再去討論對對對因為有些細節像剛剛范雲委員提到勞動基準法那個在履約條件裡面雖然我們已經加了10項那這一項我們剛剛市長已經答應也會研議像你剛才所提的都會提 |
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6大團體 各縣市政府現在所有的議題 都是本席所提出來這是共同的困難我們要好好的去研討你要讓這台船 三個走這樣 |
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532.237 |
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你不是只有美化數字你現在提了一個我根本沒有這麼多的師資我怎麼辦你去問每一個業者苦不堪言不要讓一個教育者受到這樣子的一個對待因為我們一定要照顧好我們的孩子協助我們的家長投資教育希望永遠在 |
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532.978 |
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那你要任何一個政策之前你給他想喔你推出一個政策你的問題那麼多所以我具體建議以後你要公布什麼樣的政策你應該要先好好的去思維再公布 |
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550.768 |
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550.908 |
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林玥琴委員 |