| IVOD_ID |
150871 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150871 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-03T10:36:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-03T10:48:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e7bc4f91125901ec6117347176728f1115c351beec3062dcf8ba9b0039caa7a6df384419043f4e855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:33 - 10:48:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部次長率體育署列席就「完善國家代表隊選手權利義務及健全我國運動產業環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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葉元之委員請自長 |
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葉委員好請教一下因為我們現在大家都不喜歡有黃流票所以之前好像我們教育部還是體育署有通過一個有修法就是運動產業發展條例第24條之1條文草案 |
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你們也是有提到就是說這些運動票券不能夠加價賣嘛對不對也不可以用就是免費的也不可以用價錢去賣嘛那我想問一下因為這個法案是什麼時候公布的跟委員報告這個運產條例24條之一是在大院去年的12月15號三讀通過今年1月3號公布的 |
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那現在大概是三月,今天四月了,已經將近三個月的時間,不曉得這三個月當中有沒有黃牛因為我們這個法案通過之後被罰的狀況有沒有?目前是還沒有這樣子的一個個案跟處罰。還沒有個案喔?沒有個案原因是因為法律產生了嚇阻的效果。 |
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高峰會出現在什麼時候 |
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現在陸陸續續大概包含了現在在大巨蛋裡面有些賽事對 值班開始陸陸續續大概就回賽事的產生值班陸陸續續開始有賽事所以黃牛票情況就會比較嚴重沒有 這個部分我們要進行補管所以次長大概因你的預估的話黃牛票的情況大概什麼時候比較嚴重然後你們現在會根據這個法律 |
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所作的因應比如取締的作為為何?我的問題其實是說你們有因應的作為嗎? |
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因為我們現在已經有法律基礎了 那個因應作為是什麼還是請署長回答也可以報告委員 那我們在2月29號有公布執法 所以在裁罰的部分以及獎勵檢舉各方面我們都已經在進行 那我們也做了黃牛票的這個檢舉專區也跟各地方縣市的警局這部分來 警政的系統來做合作 |
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那原則上就是如果這個賽事以他第一場發生的這個縣市的警政單位來負責受理這樣一個檢舉的部分好 |
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因為我們陸續在網路上還是有找到一些有人在賣票券不知道說有沒有去做海巡就是說去巡查網路上這些行為因為已經有法律了當然是希望能夠比較嚴格的執法杜絕黃牛票的情況產生另外還有一個問題就是去年法院有一個判例 |
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黃油票如果搭配搭售來販賣的話其實是無罪的這個範例就是說有個網友他在臉書上賣大巨蛋開幕的門票那因為他是搭配一些球員的周邊商品比如說鑰匙圈啊等等然後最後法院是說這個他沒有要賣票的意圖啦他賣的是周邊商品啦所以就無罪了 |
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後來網友就在討論這是不是其實開了一個後門即便有這個法律存在可是只要黃牛他拿票搭配一些周邊商品來賣的話他就不構成犯罪那我不知道署長有沒有掌握到這個判例跟相關的情形報告委員根據我們目前公布的這個母法跟子法讓食物用加價販售的手法用綁物品來售票的行為就您剛提到綁物品來售票的行為它也屬於違法的情況 |
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可是法院不這麼認為啊那是因為去年他還沒有這個法的通文那現在他就屬於違法的行為會被裁罰那會不會產生什麼模糊的空間你們是怎麼算的這是怎麼去判定目前他就是他如果綁定了他就綁物品的售票行為我們還是一樣依照我們的裁罰條件不管他的東西是貴不貴對一樣還是會裁罰就是會裁罰超過他原來的價值的話還是會裁罰 |
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你會去計算他周邊商品的價值以及票面的價值那他如果賣的東西是非常貴的東西比如說他賣1200塊然後票300塊他賣1200塊可是他的周邊商品可能有超過1200塊你這樣還要罰嗎知道我的問題嗎 |
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我了解你的意思,但這部分我們可能還會去再,這個案我們還是要跟這個檢調單位來做討論。來研究一下。謝謝。然後再來就是,另外一個問題就是,有關於藍,就是子蘭有爆發遷堵的事件,我剛剛看到你們也有報告相關的議題。我想請教一下,因為本來我們體育署的副署長好像有說在兩個月內要建立一個防堵的機制是不是,跟政策。 |
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我們辦公室有去跟體育署要資料現在我看到體育署好像在這幾個月沒做什麼事好像只有召開一個建立籃球運動防堵機制的宣導座談 |
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在中池的防甲球的部分已經原本跟檢證系統、檢調系統就已經有建立一個平台 |
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法治教育 |
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你又說球團要做連帶責任?對那之前是沒有要求球團?之前是沒有 |
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因為這件事件然後我們才去做要求那為什麼之前沒有因為之前的確在職業賽事方面沒有發生這些問題的情況之前職棒就有啊職籃就覺得比較是所以因為這樣的事件我們目前就延伸到不只是籃球我們其他只要職業賽事我們未來都會往這個方向來預先去部署去進行好那另外有一個你們說要研議建制一個 |
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不法信託基金目前這個執行狀況是怎樣目前這部分還在談目前的確因為籃球的選手他們跟棒球不太一樣是他們沒有所謂的簽約金那從他們的薪水裡面來做那個撥付那這部分我們剛剛其他委員也有提議那這部分我們體育署這邊會聯同協會在這一塊來補足補足什麼就是建立這樣的一個制度我們盡快來進行這件事情所以那這個要怎麼運作 |
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那目前是由選手他們本身我們是出席下他們拿出一定比例的這個薪資來放入這個信託的基金裡面然後等他們如果退休的時候如果沒有發生這樣類似的假球的事件的時候我們再再把錢還他對對對那如果有打假球錢就沒收當然是這個意思當然那這有用嗎這個其實也算是選手本身質疑的一個行為啦其實有時候打假球他 |
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有時候也是被威脅的嘛是 但是這個部分另外就是一時他被利誘嘛對那他被利誘的金額一定遠高於這個所謂的信託基金實務上沒錯對 所以用這個信託基金會達到效果嗎因為我們目前看起來也在請我們的臺灣運彩公司把 |
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P聯盟目前還沒有列入運彩的投注標的地來把它列入那這個一旦都列入之後呢依照我們的運動產業條例它就可以給以重罰3到7年的這樣一個處罰所以這部分我們還是有嚇阻的效果在我會這樣問就當然就是因為打假球這個事情對球迷的心會很受傷啦但應該知道啦那教育部自己也說要推出一些防弊的機制可是現在看起來好幾個月了 |
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我看起來是沒什麼進度啦我覺得進度太緩慢了啦然後包括你說會研議這個機制這個機制到底能不能達到效果我們也是很存疑啦更何況說你說那個不拔基金到底怎麼運作你到現在還在研議當中所以實際上真的動作是真的有點慢大概什麼時候會有一個比較具體的防打假球的一個方案會出來大概什麼時候 |
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信託的部分主要還是屬於職業選手他們本身的自律的行為那部分我們還是會協請工會跟藍協一起來討論因為你們自己也講了嘛但是運彩我們比較積極地作為運彩的投注標的這件事情是由法這邊來遏止所以我們希望儘快台灣運彩公司儘快把P聯盟把它納進來這樣我們用法的部分來遏止選手們打假球這件事情 |
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市長因為你們自己那時候提兩點聲明嘛其中一個就是說會建立一個跨部會的防疫機制這個已經做了對那問題是只是建立平台沒有實際的作為啊有有其實我們現在整個警政跟我們的檢調都有在協助我們都有到各個球團裡面去這個一定都已經在做了那好啦我覺得這個部分可以盡快了是 |
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那然後再來這個次長因為我還有點時間跟你請教一下我上次有個臨時提案是講到說我們現在私立國中直升私立高中他被你們排除補助學費上次有個臨時提案嘛那你們說要回去研議不知道有沒有進度 |
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是那個因為我們上次講我們講說因為你們那個賴準總統說要教育平權嘛所以所有的高中都可以補助學費嘛但只有漏網之魚是說如果是私立國中直升私立高中這一塊就被漏掉了跟委員報告這個是涉及到那個高級中等教育法裡面的規定那我請問那個要修啊因為站在平權的角度不應他入學的方式來把它排除嗎對 |
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有沒有什麼進度?沒有嗎?跟委員報告因為前次也有說明過因為在審高級重點教育法的時候這個議題也是被高度關注所以他是直接在條文裡頭審審法是民國幾年的時候?是不是100年?時間可能要再查一下是不是起碼超過一年嗎?超過一年以上但是你們教育部還有賴清德是什麼時候宣布說要平權?是去年嗎? |
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