| IVOD_ID |
150819 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150819 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T12:53:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T13:00:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c03f0c8c8d039492e5ee14ad7ded5d841af8ba9b0039caa7a635e519e7a80233805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:53:13 - 13:00:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、內政部、國家發展委員會就「如何積極推動金融業投注國內公共建設，並達成社宅百萬戶之政策目標」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月1日及3日二天一次會】） |
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這個是賴清德準總統在2018年擔任行政院長的承諾承諾說要修財政收支劃分法那到今天為止到今天為止持續的跳票上次請教部長的時候部長說因為縣市政府對於要怎麼分這件事情大家有很多意見我上次就已經把問題給點出來了就是我們一件事情一件事情具體的談 |
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我們先處理垂直分配不均的問題因為過去這20幾年財政收支劃分法最大的詬病是什麼最大的詬病就是錢跟權都在中央手上地方政府苦哈哈地方政府苦哈哈我們如果以2022年以2022年我們整個財稅分的狀況來看的話中央稅 |
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大概收了88%地方稅大概收了12%所以過去這些批評這些現象絕對是有數字當作支撐的在部長之前所講的財政部目前還持續的在演繹當中我要請教部長的事情是你們現在目前針對擴大統籌分配款的規模你們規劃的具體的方向是什麼 |
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跟委員報告您提的擴大這個部分因為也先跟委員報告其實我們先問過地方政府的意見在分配指標上那資料也給了委員這邊您知道各個地方政府所表達的意見都相當的分歧這個部分 |
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您剛剛提到就是說就是所謂的擴大這個統籌分配稅款的規模的部分當然這個是一個方向也會朝著這個方向去做處理那至於這個怎麼樣去計算的話會跟下面的分配是會很有關係的 |
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所以到現在連基本的原則都沒有出來基本的原則基本上我們改了6個原則裡面當然有提到會保障既有的財源好來我不跟你講空的全部都要打太極拳一點意義都沒有目前中央統籌分配款的來源所得稅10%營業稅40%貨物稅10%土地徵稅20%是給縣的 |
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170.704 |
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這個部長應該很清楚嘛過去從陳水扁政府時期的政院版到馬英九政府的政院版到民進黨在野的時候所提出的黨團版我把它全部整理完了我整理完以後啊我歸納發現一個現象第一個不同的政黨 |
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不同主政的時期但是大家都有一個共識這一個共識是營業稅百分之百營業稅百分之八十以最少最少這兩個部分要納入中央統籌分配款部長贊不贊成 |
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190.329 |
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210.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
這個部分跟委員報告因為整個部分都必須要再做試算當然各個版本有各個時期的狀況你上次不是答應我回去試算嗎對 我不是答應上次跟委員說我們一個月以內會提資料給委員所以到現在都還沒有算出來嗎這個部分我們會把各個版本的部分的沒有這麼複雜啦真的沒有這麼複雜來 我秀給部長看 |
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234.862 |
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我以2022年現在我財稅資料可以收得到的我以2022年中央統籌分配款目前的版本跟相對而言馬英九的時候的政院版馬英九政院版我跟部長報告相對而言是比較保守 |
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257.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
相對而言是比較保守所以比較保守就是從中央那邊要求過來的錢還比較少你如果看一下民進黨在野的時候修正馬英九的版本他所提出來的是什麼他所提出來的雖然是統籌分配管跟補助管全部合在一起但是他的規模到哪裡所得稅20% |
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285.542 |
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多一個直轄市多10%貨物稅10%營業稅一樣剛剛有共識的部分100%跟菸酒稅81%相對而言馬英九的版本他們那個時候執政的版本相對而言所得稅稍微少一點6%但是因為他的補助款放債補助款所得稅還有10%好按照這個數字 |
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315.128 |
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我大概用2022年我們的財稅資料的數字來試算我就先不要用民進黨在野的時期理想性比較高的版本來試算我在馬英九執政的時候比較保守的來試算試算出來的結果差多少試算出來的結果就差3000億就差3000億這3000億對於地方政府在託分地方自治 |
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316.363 |
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337.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
有多麼高的重要性我今天利用這個質詢我開始針對垂直分配的問題請教財政部意見是給你們表達意見的機會因為我們不會等著你們拖我們不會等著你們拖不是等到你行政會有版本我們才要拖動修正不是這個樣子 |
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339.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
368.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
現在大家都在擬條文準備要送到財政委員會來我利用質詢的時間請教部長意見是給你表達意見的機會但是你們似乎是不敢面對跳票的事實我每次請你表達意見全部都在打太極拳我現在先不處理水平分配的問題垂直分配的問題我把過去幾年的版本全部列出來共識很高啊 |
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369.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
392.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
最起碼營業稅百分之百．貨物稅百分之八十一沒有人反對每一個版本都是這個樣子我們以這個版本來當作地板部長讚不讚成委員我想這個部分您看這麼多版本共識很好但是為什麼還是立法沒有通過也就是說其實是意見還是相當分歧 |
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392.645 |
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406.793 |
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會繼續推給地方政府嗎?在隨時分配的時候還是推給地方政府嗎?你去問哪一個地方政府說我要擴大統籌分配管的規模會有地方政府反對?不可能啊!不可能啊!我是利用質詢的時間給你表達意見的機會啊! |
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| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
439.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
我們如果真的要定的話我就按照民進黨當初這麼有理想性的版本挖這麼大塊 所得算20% 增加一個還要再多什麼 還要再多10%按照這個版本去定 現在的民進黨政府會接受嗎好 謝謝謝謝黃國昌委員的質詢 緊接著我們請楊瓊玉委員、姚瓊玉委員、姚瓊玉委員不在蔡議員、蔡玉菊、蔡議委員、蔡議委員不在鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌委員不在 |