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| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-19,23-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟、交通兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、交通兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T12:04:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T12:12:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:11 |
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| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:04:53 - 12:12:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、交通兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查本院委員傅崐萁等53人擬具「環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案」案。(詢答及處理)） |
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邱委員志偉：（12時5分）謝謝主席，有請國發會龔主委。 |
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主席：我們再請龔主委。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：邱委員好。 |
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邱委員志偉：國發會主委的角色應該是屬於協調整合規劃不是執行，對不對？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對，主要是審議。 |
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邱委員志偉：對，主要是審議，對於國家重大的經建、交通或重大政策做相關的評估，所以你們是一個審查者、把關者的角色。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：政府存在的目的就是要改善解決這個國家的問題，另外一個是增加國家的各項硬體建設，對不對？國家一定有很多問題，少子化問題嚴不嚴重？嚴不嚴重？我是不是要針對少子化對策訂定解決少子化特別條例？這樣也比較有意義。青年低薪是不是一個問題？薪資沒有辦法調漲，物價卻一直調漲，那我可不可以針對青年低薪問題提出解決青年問題特別條例？這樣的特別條例才有意義嘛！透過這個特別條例解決國家當前面對的少子化問題跟青年低薪等重大問題。但建設不是這樣子，這個全國的高鐵路網，所有國人都會贊成，但是你的路徑、你的方法應該循規蹈矩，而不是用特別條例的方式，由一個協調幕僚角色的國發會來擔任主政機關，如此大的工程！國發會目前編制有多少人？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：國土處現在總共四十幾個人，但是交通的是5個人。 |
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邱委員志偉：四十幾人要規劃環島高速鐵路？國民黨也曾經完全執政過耶，有政府會做事是現在的民進黨政府，有些政府不見得會做事耶，2008到2016馬英九當總統的時候，國會也是多數黨，是全面執政，為什麼當時國民黨有那麼好的機會，8年為什麼不提這個法案？你去問一下陳冲，你去問一下毛治國，你去問一下張善政，你去問一下劉兆玄、吳敦義、江宜樺，這些行政院長那時候為什麼不提？行政院也可以提啊，那時候立法院也是國民黨全面執政啊，也是國民黨多數為什麼不提？提了就有問題嘛，破壞行政立法權力分立的一個角色嘛，也破壞了行政部門在推動政策，推動各項建設的所有順序、所有的邏輯、所有的法律，全部都推翻了。如果可以做的話，為什麼當時國民黨執政，馬英九總統以及所有的行政院長、交通部長不做？沒有辦法做嘛，是破壞法治，這個夢、這個理想，所有的從政人員都希望能夠儘快去達成，但是達成要用正確的方式。徒法不可行，事情要成功，事在人為要有一個會做事的政府來推動。 |
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舉個例子，高雄捷運光是一個路竹延伸線，我當立委時是2012年，一直到馬英九執政的時候，這個延伸線完全沒有任何的進展，一個路竹延伸線我努力了10年，一個延伸線而已唷。好，是不是高雄市政府捷運局要報到交通部，交通部審核之後還要報國發會，國發會之後還要再相關的補正程序，還有很多的環評，就一個路竹延伸線。還好2016蔡英文總統當選才加快進度，今年年中就要通車到岡山站，再過5年之後就通車到湖內，以後再延伸到臺南的捷運站，不只這樣子，也有捷運黃線，目前關於捷運紫線，短短不到8年時間做了多少事情？這就是有政府會做事，但是有些政府不會做事。那現在突然這個條例出來，破壞所有法律的施政的邏輯跟秩序。當然我們希望鐵路建設能夠環島，這個結論、這個方向是全民的共識，但是如果用這個方法，請教主委，為什麼國民黨馬英九總統當8年，2008到2016國民黨全面執政，國會多數為什麼不敢推？為什麼不敢推？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：報告委員，所有的重大建設或者是交通事業都是循序漸進，高鐵的部分先有西部高鐵以後，然後再討論延伸到宜蘭、到屏東，才有可能再考量到東部高鐵的部分，它是一個階段一個階段循序。 |
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邱委員志偉：對嘛，國有國法，政府有法律，不管人民、政府都要依法來施政對不對？所以今天我這個問題是說，很多事情用錯方法反而會製造更多的問題。有國安問題的少子化、青年低薪的問題，我覺得可以用特別條例，跨部會來整合、來推動、來解決問題，但是建設必須要循序漸進，有它的邏輯，就像我質詢，時間到了就應該要下來，因為我要遵守立法委員職權行使法，時間到了，我看到李昆澤在那邊等，我就不能繼續講下去，因為我是一個守法的國會議員，政府所有的作為都應該要做人民的表率，要守法，不能知法犯法。 |
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主席：李昆澤說沒有。謝謝，接下來請李昆澤委員做詢答。 |
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請做詢答來 謝主席 邱志偉 |
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國安會的角色應該是屬於協調、整合、規劃,不是一個執行,對不對?對,審議,主要是審議機關。對國家重大的經濟或者是交通或者相關的這個重大政策裡面做相關的評估嘛。是。所以你們是一個審查者、把關者的角色嘛。是。 |
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國家政府存在的目的是說 要改善解決這個國家的問題另外一個 增加國家的各項硬體的建設 對不對因為國家一定有很多問題嘛 少子化問題有沒有嚴重有沒有嚴重我是不是要針對少子化對策 解決少子化特別條例 那麼還有意義 |
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青年低薪是不是一個問題青年低薪啊薪資沒有辦法調漲物價一直調漲那薪資沒有辦法增加那我可不可以針對青年低薪問題解決青年問題特別條例這樣的特別條例才有意義嘛你通過這個特別條例解決國家當權面對的重大問題稍微的問題跟青年低薪的問題那建設不是這樣子 |
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這個全國的高鐵的入網但每一個所有國人都會贊成但是你的路徑、你的方法應該循規正矩而不是用特別條例的方式用一個不是用一個協調幕僚的角色的國安會來擔任主政機關如此大的工程國安會現在目前編制多少人 |
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我們國土支部現在總共四十幾個人,但是交通…四十幾個人你要去規劃環島高速鐵路國民黨也曾經完全執政過耶有政府會做事,是現在民黨政府有些政府不見得會做事耶2008到2016馬英九當總統的時候國會也是這個全面…這個是多數黨,是全面執政的 |
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為什麼當時國民黨在那麼好的機會八年為什麼不提這個法案你去問一下陳創你去問一下毛治國你去問一下張善政你去問一下那個劉兆璇吳東毅江一樺這些行政院長為什麼到時候不提行政院也可以提啊那時候立法院也是國民黨全民執政啊也是國民黨多數為什麼不提 |
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提了就有問題嘛破壞這個行政立法這個這個權力分立的一個一個角色也破壞了行政部門在推動這個政策推動各項建設的所有的順序所有的邏輯所有的法律全部都黑翻了如果可以做的話當時為什麼國民黨執政馬英九總統以至於所有的行政院長所有的交通部長為什麼不做 |
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高雄捷運光是一個路逐延伸線 |
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我都認為是2012年到20一直到這個在馬英九執政的時候這個延伸線完全沒有任何的進展一個陸軸延伸線我努力了10年一個延伸線而已喔 |
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265.558 |
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286.092 |
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好,是不是高中市政府檢驗局要報到交通部,交通部不審核之後還要報國安會,國安會之後還要再相關的補進程序,還有很多環評。一個路逐延伸線,還好2016蔡英文總統當選,才加快進度,現在已經今年年終就要通車到岡山站。 |
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289.404 |
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309.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
在過5年之後就通車到我這個湖內以後再延伸到台南高鐵台南的這個捷運站不只這樣子也有捷運黃線目前歸入捷運紫線短短不到8年時間做多少事情這就是有政府會做事但有些政府是不會做事那現在突然這個條例出來 |
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314.571 |
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318.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
破壞所有法律施政的邏輯跟秩序當然我們希望這個鐵路建設能夠環島這個結論、這個方向是全民的做共識但是如果用這個方法請教主委為什麼國民黨那一種總統當八年這個2008、2016國民黨全面執政國會多數為什麼不敢推 |
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346.715 |
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371.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
請教主委幫委員,所有的重大建設或者是交通事業,它都是循序漸進那高鐵的部分先有西部高鐵以後,然後你再討論到延伸到宜蘭到屏東才有可能再考量到東部高鐵的部分,它是一個階段循序政府有法律,不過人民政府都要依法來施政 |
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373.757 |
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394.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
所以我今天問這個問題是說很多事情你用錯方法反而會製造更多的問題我說的有國安問題的少子化青年低薪的問題我覺得可以用這個特別條例跨部會來做整合來推動來解決這個問題但建設比較循序漸進有它的邏輯 |
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399.042 |
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426.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
就算我諮詢,諮詢到了我就應該要下來因為我要遵守立法委員自願行事法,對不對?諮詢到了我就看到李坤貞在那邊等我就不能繼續講下去,因為我是一個守法的國會議員政府所有的作為都應該要做人民的表率要守法,不能知法犯法 |