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150766 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150766 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-19,23-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟、交通兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
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19 |
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經濟委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、交通兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T11:36:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T11:41:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:04:42 |
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ai-transcript |
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| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:55 - 11:41:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、交通兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查本院委員傅崐萁等53人擬具「環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案」案。(詢答及處理)） |
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賴委員士葆：（11時37分）謝謝主席。有請國發會龔主委。 |
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主席：我們請龔主委。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：你好。我的問題很簡單，就是一個問題，不是今天要討論的。我記得有關於主權基金最後是國發會統合各單位，要做一個評估報告出來，對吧？你們來統合的，對不對？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：是的，院長有指示，院長指示的。 |
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賴委員士葆：結果出來了沒有？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們開過了兩次會。 |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有結論？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：當然還會持續在開會當中。 |
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賴委員士葆：還要再開？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對、對、對。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以還沒定案？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：是，還沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：我就問你二個簡單的問題。第一個，如果成立主權基金，是專法，還是像有些委員提議直接修改中央銀行法？一個立專法，一個修銀行法，切百分之十出來，哪一個？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們初步的討論還沒有定案，感覺上專法是比較合適。 |
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賴委員士葆：專法比較好。第二個問題，很簡單的問題…… |
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龔主任委員明鑫：比較合適，但是還沒有定案。 |
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賴委員士葆：第二個問題，可以不可以允許這個主權基金無償使用外匯存底，可不可以？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：這個當然就有一些爭議，因為央行不贊成。 |
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賴委員士葆：你贊成嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我講如果，即便有償也OK，只是央行要提供這個…… |
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賴委員士葆：有償當然OK啊！因為全世界講什麼主權基金，你翻一翻、認真去讀一下，主權基金代表國家，央行的外匯存底是老百姓的錢，資產負債是列的。比如說，張三出口賺了一百萬美金進來，一百萬美金放央行，一百萬美金乘以31或者乘以30，有三千多萬元是給這個廠商，這都很清楚。這個錢不是央行的錢，不是國家的錢，真的是國家的錢才是主權基金。他們很喜歡講淡馬錫啦、新加坡的GIC等等，包括中東的阿拉伯國家、石油國家都是這樣操作，基本上就是政府拿錢出來，需要動到美金，它去向有美金的持有者買。換句話說，我個人是支持央行的論點，你要用央行的外匯存底，可以，要有償，不是無償，你去跟它買、跟它調，但不是無償。所以這兩個問題，第一個要立專法，第二個不可以無償動用外匯，對吧？結論可以這樣講嗎？暫時的結論。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：第一個專法的部分，大家比較有共識。第二個有償、無償，就還在討論當中，當然央行有它的一些說法，所以這個部分還沒有形成完成的共識。 |
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賴委員士葆：這部分還沒有定案？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是專法是定案的？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：是大家比較有共識，還沒有定案。 |
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賴委員士葆：最後什麼時候可以定案？因為是你主持的。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：因為還要形成一個共識。 |
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賴委員士葆：過兩天等下你去當經濟部長，就不用玩了！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：沒有，還會持續，政策是延續的，不會因為人事的更替影響。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你去當經濟部長沒差啦？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：沒有啦！沒有要當啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：好。我就是跟你請教這個問題，最後什麼時候可以定案？因為現在財委會要修央行法，你們要辦正事，趕快提出來，不然的話馬上就會出問題，你們態度沒有出來的話，財委會那邊要弄了喔。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們盡快，因為已經開過兩次會，我們可能盡快來開第三次。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候？什麼時候盡快？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：要看其他部會，我們時間會接洽其他部會，盡快。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，快點。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：謝謝。 |
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主席：接下來請陳素月委員詢答。 |
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賴委員請做詢談謝謝謝謝主席有請國安會的公主委我們請公主委賴委員好你好我的問題很簡單就是一個問題不是今天要討論的喔我記得有關於主權基金 |
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這個到最後是國化會來統合各單位要做一個評估做一個報告出來對吧你們來統合的嘛對不對院長指示的對不對指示嘛結果出來沒有 |
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我們開過了兩次會有沒有結論?結論就是說現在當然還會持續在開當中還在開?對對對對所以還沒定案?是還沒那我就問你一個簡單的問題喔兩個簡單問題第一個如果要主權基金是專法還是像有些委員直接從央行修改銀行法修改那個央行法中央銀行法 |
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一個立專法,一個銀行法,切百分之十出來,哪一個?我們初步的討論,這還沒有定案,感覺上就是說專法是比較合適。專法比較好,第二個問題,很簡單的問題,第二個問題。但是還沒有定案,對。要,可以不可以允許這個族群基金無償的使用外匯存體,可不可以? |
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這個當然就有一些爭議啦,因為央行他不贊成啦。你贊成嗎?但是如果說,我講如果啦,如果說即便有償也OK啦,只是就...有償當然OK啊,有償當然OK,因為全世界講什麼主權基金啊,你翻一翻你認真去讀一下。是。 |
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主權基金代表國家,央行的外匯存底是老百姓的錢,資產負債是利益的。今天比如說,長傘,它出口了賺了100萬美金進來,100萬美金放央行,但是100萬美金乘以31或者乘以30,3000多萬要給這個廠商嘛。 |
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都很清楚啦,這個錢不是央行的錢,這不是國家的錢,真的是國家的錢,那個才是主權基金。他們很喜歡講什麼丹麥希拉、新加坡的GIC等等的,包括中東的阿拉伯國家、石油國家,都是這樣子在操作的,基本上就是政府拿錢出來, |
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需要多少美金他去向有美金的持有者去買所以換一句話說我個人是支持這個論點的我支持央行的論點就是你要用央行的外外存體可以要有償不是無償不是無償你可以跟他買跟他調但是不是無償 |
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所以兩個第一個要立法院法第二個不可以無常動用外匯對吧 |
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這個結論可以這樣講嗎?暫時的結論第一個專法的部分這個是大家比較有這樣那另外是有償無償這個就還在討論當中當然要有他的一些說法那對所以那個部分還沒有形成這個還沒有定案但是專法是定案的大家比較有共識的部分還沒有定案 |
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什麼時候可以訂閱嘛? |
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最後,什麼時候可以訂閱? |
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因為你在主持的啊?因為這個還要形成一個共識啦!啊你共識? |
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啊你過兩天等一下你去當經濟部長那邊議啊?沒有,還會持續啊! |
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政治是延續的,不會因此那個人事的更替不會影響所以你去當經濟部長不差啦齁? |
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我就是跟你請教這個問題最後什麼時候可以定案因為現在財委委員會要去修這個法要修要養法要做這個事你們要趕快出來不然的話馬上就出問題囉你們態度沒有出來的話財委會那邊要弄囉 |
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我們盡快,因為已經開過兩次了,我們可能第三次盡快來開。什麼時候盡快?要看其他部會,我們時間會洽其他部會。 |