IVOD_ID |
150752 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150752 |
日期 |
2024-04-01 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-6 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
1 |
會議資料.會次 |
6 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2024-04-01T11:00:02+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-04-01T11:13:57+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:13:55 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c0f65fe00c9887decaee14ad7ded5d841af8ba9b0039caa7a62904d3b4743e67c25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
委員發言時間 |
11:00:02 - 11:13:57 |
會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議(事由:邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、內政部、國家發展委員會就「如何積極推動金融業投注國內公共建設,並達成社宅百萬戶之政策目標」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
【4月1日及3日二天一次會】) |
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最近有在野黨的立委要提案要刪除或是要修正運算法他要刪除運算法裡面說有一條是不定期或是數年一次重大正式的特別運算這個要件要把它刪掉 |
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跟委員報告那因為裡面有關特別預算裡面編列的相關條件就是剛剛委員所說的那確實是國家如果需要一個重大政推動相關的重大政策或因應緊急的一個狀況的話那因為編列總預算總預算是一年編一次嘛事實上會有一些緩不濟急所以我們透過特別預算的方式來籌備那特別預算的編列之前都要有特別條例特別條例當然也經過大院的同意之後才有可能編列特別預算 |
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那我這邊剛剛也舉的一個例子像面臨到COVID-19的一個這種情況的話是我知道我是說如果在野黨把這個相關的條文刪除掉之後會不會對於財政部在日後要求做裁員啊沒有相關的這個法條了怎麼辦 |
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我想這個會在那個編列特別預算或訂立特別條例的時候可能會遇到一些狀況會一些有些障礙會遇到這些問題嗎?因為天災地變就是沒有辦法在年度的時候設想到的嘛它就是這個非尋常然後就是無預警的會出現你剛才講的COVID-19等等然後還有疫後的經濟的復甦等等那如果沒有相關的條文的話那你要怎麼處理勒?你這些材料要怎麼去找勒?是是是是有遇到困難了?是 |
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黃主委 |
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委員長來主委好這個有關授選業的這個資本市主率這個相關的數字都已經公布了嘛對不對2023年度的對3月底對3月底有公布了嘛那這個目前來講的話好像是這個新售還有山山美邦這個這個在有資本不足的地方他們的資本市主率都未達法定標準200%是不是是的 |
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那遇到這個問題該怎麼辦勒?是要先吃飯解決勒?那還是找這個相關的單位來喝咖啡勒?這都已經過去這一年多都在處理了都在處理?那本席請一下主委囉 |
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這個在3月中下旬的時候那有國民黨的召委我們的羅召委這個要求我們這個保險局的局長找了這個相關的受險業者來吃飯那那時候不是正好要公布這一個各個受險公司的這個資本市主率嗎 |
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那我不曉得這個有沒有相關的影響那請教一下主委是有哪些受選業者有參加這個我不太清楚你知道這件事情嗎我知道你知道這件事情局長有先跟你報告他有跟我說這件事那你他跟你講這件事情那你就說我知道了還是你有什麼特別的交代或指示嗎 |
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我也是新晉委員啊沒有找我啊沒有找國民黨跟民眾黨的立委啊 |
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主委你有做任何指示嗎? |
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主要是召委是說財委會有新進來的委員希望能夠大家認識所以那時候還有跟你講說就是國民黨跟民眾黨的立委嗎?沒有,就是說財委會的委員所以到現在才發現只有政協黨的立委沒有民進黨的立委?我們到那一天才知道沒有民進黨的立委那有哪些受選公司參加? |
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主席時間暫停喔 |
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好,時間暫停。商量好之後跟我講。好,請說。因為我們邀請的有一些公司沒空來,有一些公司有空來。沒有,就是有來的啊。有來的有國泰、星光、南山還有全球、山商、富邦還有遠雄、宏泰。有山商? |
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沒有特別講什麼嗎?吃飯吃多久啊? |
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那個召委安排的我們就中午兩個小時中午兩個小時那也是蠻久的啊也聊蠻久的啊有沒有聊到這個資本市足率的問題啊沒有半度聊什麼就他們互相介紹認識啊等一下要講那麼久啊我介紹你你介紹我要花掉兩個小時的時間喔因為人立委是監督你們金管會 |
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他保險局是監督這一個授權公司那結果今天有立委透過保險局去邀授權公司來吃飯 主委啊這樣適合嗎? |
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報告委員,我想站在金管會立場,召委要求我們說要安排見財委會的新委員。我想我們對這個意見,我們盡量要去處理。但是如果大家這次意見,早上我跟記者報告,如果大家覺得各方委員對這個意見有不同的意見,我們會以後會做跟周委員的處理。這個齁,要有一點這個sense在啦。因為他告訴我們是財委會員,並沒有告訴我們是特定政黨的委員。 |
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到了發現之後才發現說只有在野黨的立委沒有民進黨的立委那局長不會覺得很奇怪嗎這會不會是一場鴻門宴還是這兩個小時還是吃得很開心 |
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好,請教一下這個主委這個新光還有山上人壽的這個資本市足率的這個不足的問題要怎麼去解決那有三個方向第一個是大股東現金增資呢那還是呢子公司上繳盈餘那還是呢發行普通股項小股東募集資金都有可能 |
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對有可能那主委比較prefer哪一個方式我沒有prefer我就是看因為您今天詮詢我這個問題不同的公司不同的階段那就是這兩家公司嘛這個星光你有找過他們的嘛找過很多次了找過很多次了那他們要提出什麼樣的方法勒 |
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那主委是不是認為說這個大股東要這個現金增資比較合適? |
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我認為主要股東應該承擔一個維護保護責任的重要的一個義務所以我覺得應該要優先展現這個承諾那這個你講的這樣就講的還蠻明顯的那我接下來我再問一下今天跟社宅有關係的 |
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過去我發現說我們這個受選業投資在公共建設的情況這個金額佔的比例相當的低2023年1300億2022年931億這等於是說受選業者寧願是投資國外的也不願意來投資國內的公共建設本席查了一個資料受選業者在去年投資了1321億在俄羅斯的國債 |
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等於是說我們的受選業者投資俄羅斯的國債比投資國內公共建設還多,這像話嗎?你投資這個俄羅斯人要去打烏克蘭喔? |
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我的重點在於因為那時候當然投資的時候還沒有打烏克蘭打烏克蘭那也不可能去投資我的問題在於說投資國外的這個資金的比例比投資國內公共建設還高 |
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我們到去年年底保險業的資金有32兆其中有7成是投資國外然後投資國外的公共建設達到7500億投資台灣的公共建設才1300億那我就先請教一下主委了要不要訂出一個KPI啊就是說未來比如說 |
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三年內那受險業資金要投入這一個多少比例到我們公共建設啊不然你再投資國外還是買國外的這一個債券那結果不投入這一個我們台灣的公共建設過去啊你們給他的那一個風險係數是太高了他們也不願意那現在是有降低了那有沒有一個KPI出來 |
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報告委員我要跟您報告我們可以鼓勵但是不能去強迫當然啊你的鼓勵就具有喊話的性質啊你的喊話大家就會聽了啊報告委員喊話不一定會聽因為公共建設給的收益跟年期跟固定收益是不一樣的保險業要跟他的商品要去做match如果今天這個喊話或是說拜託那都沒有用的話我們今天開這個會就沒有用了啊 |
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報告委員我們現在提供的就是誘因機制然後剛才國財委有提醒國發會建立一個平台供需保險業需要什麼樣的投資的性質的商品 |
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今天重點就是說看你們要提供什麼樣的誘因讓這個受險業的資金能夠留在國內投資公共建設這個是今天開會最主要的用意就在這邊嘛所以我才說那你未來是不是能夠訂出一個KPI出來啊 |
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主席,我30秒就好,那請內政部的花次長 |
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市長,上個禮拜五有在我們三重這個仁義段有召開一個社宅的公聽會然後呢我不知道你知道的結果在與會有一些當地的居民有不同的意見跟看法那當然我們的立場是支持我們政府蓋社宅 |
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但是呢 該設宅的時候呢因為你們提出來那個計畫人藝段那個計畫沒有相關的這個公共設施公益設施在那我知道說你們有很多的其他的這個社會住宅都有類似的這些公益設施在那我是希望你們回去檢討一下這個在人藝段的這個設宅是不是能夠把公益設施納進去這個讓附近的居民把這一個社會住宅一起納進來是一個共融最後的一個共融的一個結果 |
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報告委員,社宅一定是百分之百都是公益設施沒有啦沒有公益設施啦當整棟就公益設施你知道我在問就是說有沒有什麼公坡、公幼之類的啦如果是要百分之要提供一個獨立的特許的村里活動中心那是不可能的我不是指村里活動中心啦如果是其他的都可以討論都可以討論嘛因為我看你們很多社宅都有類似的設施啊 |
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謝謝李坤城委員的質詢,我們休息10分鐘 |