| IVOD_ID |
150748 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150748 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T10:12:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T10:24:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c0681a3673eddbd16cee14ad7ded5d841af8ba9b0039caa7a6e618dc1a809a36915ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李彥秀 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:00 - 10:24:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、內政部、國家發展委員會就「如何積極推動金融業投注國內公共建設，並達成社宅百萬戶之政策目標」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月1日及3日二天一次會】） |
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有請莊部長以及黃主委 |
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財政部提出延長5年的建議案。部長,你對於這個會議,你事前知道嗎? |
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這個會議事前我不知道,是。事前你不知道?完全不知道?也不知道內容?完全不知道?好,那我是不是可以請今晚會主委?這個會議跟內容你知道嗎? |
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我曉得因為當中的稅率在年底就會要到齊了所以我們有前段時間有提供稅事支出給財政部當然可能部裡面還有其他的意見那這個是循程序我知道循程序但是內容你知道嗎你知道要開這個會議內容你也知道內容大概清楚但是什麼時候開我不曉得是局裡面就可以做決定的 |
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我覺得這件事情 證交稅減半這件事情其實知識體大 任何一個結論或訊息其實都會造成股市的影響 |
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包括部長說他不知道我覺得這個事情就大條因為我覺得這種事情應該事前要做很多內部充分的溝通我覺得這個才不會對因為我們從媒體上看到萬一結論是怎麼樣那又再問從媒體又再問部長或主委你們的想法怎麼樣如果意見不合後面造成股市的風吹草動影響是非常大的這是第一點我要提醒你們未來恐怕類似相關的會議可能兩位都要 |
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有充分的溝通。第二,再延長五年,這句句提出來,再延長五年,你們的看法是怎麼樣?有特別的理由嗎? |
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主委。 |
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因為從過去從17年那時候是延長一年從2018年4月28年那時候是延長3.8年那後來延長三年2022年1月1號我們提到是延長三年這一次我看到從媒體上看到是說要延長五年五年有特別的理由嗎我想其實就券商來講他希望常態化但是我們覺得不太可能就是需要一個期間所以大概就提出五年這個方案 |
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但是這個方案其實坦白說我跟委員報告部長我大概知道你們的目標是希望常態化但你也知道不太可能我今天沒有要就到底要不要常態化這件事情跟你們做討論因為從過去已經實施有7年半當沖增加稅減半接下來再5年的話加起來就是12年 |
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其實未來我相信沒有任何一個今晚會的主委跟財政部長敢碰這個天條說要取消或怎麼樣這個天條這是一個很重大的事情但是我也要提醒包括我們在房租稅裡面也有針對自住或出租 |
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我希望可以朝這一點去做思考好不好 |
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第二點我要問的就是有關部長你可以請回我要請問主委喔 |
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主委,您滿不滿意? |
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當然有增資是正面的可是他這個增資的額度目前看起來並不能夠促成他今年6月底達到他的資本市主率得到合規的200那後續還有什麼樣的工具或者是我們還沒有收到他的董事會記錄那我其實我們上面前面已經有請請兩位公司的董事長陳述意見後續依法辦理 |
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不過我覺得站在保護的立場我覺得主委你這一次的立場踩得非常清楚這也是我覺得非常敬佩的地方你的老師侯錦英老師送給你一隻琉璃獅子就是鼓勵你該兇的時候要兇但你這一次是不怒而為從上一次你跟我溝通之後他們也在努力所以我覺得 |
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這對所有的保護來說這是一個正面的方向所以我們也期待就是無論未來在整個金管會從保護的權益立場上還有整個國家金融穩定的角度上我覺得主委的態度其實非常重要那這一點我也給主委肯定那接下來我要請是不是請慈英先暫停我請內政部的政次花政次 |
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主委,您請回,沒關係。我是不是可以請部長?莊部長。 |
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鄭次你很清楚我長期在基層你見過我非常多次我長期非常關心居住正義它也是社會正義當中落實社會正義當中最重要的一環兩位總統無論蔡英文到賴清德對於設宅的興建設宅的達成率都非常的關注設宅最後無論是完工的興建中的規劃中的包租代管 |
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都算上去沒有規劃中的好沒關係蔡英文20萬的目標那賴清德在這一次選舉的時候也強化也強調他要包含他要達到100萬那這100萬有沒有包含蔡英文的20萬當然有是累積的當然就是累積所以這個是累積上去的是 |
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好,那這個20萬戶,這100萬戶到底有沒有辦法做得到?會,會達標。好,那我就有一個問題喔,剛剛有幾位委員也強調包租代管這件事情。包租代管其實也是在興建過程還過渡時期它非常重要的一個,因為我看到各縣市有幾個縣市做得不錯。是。 |
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那有幾個縣市我覺得政府在工具上恐怕都要給更多的鼓勵跟獎勵因為它是一個過渡時我們大家都知道徵收土地或要蓋都要跟居民做溝通你知道那個過程非常冗長也非常困難我絕對支持包租代管我也支持設宅的政策 |
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那包租貸款其實包括在蔡英文的20萬戶裡面她包租貸款的比例佔了43.69也就是說包租貸款的政策其實也非常的重要我說到這邊你同意嗎?同意那我覺得包租貸款的 |
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﹚李彥秀 |
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各縣市的租金不同以台北市跟苗栗也好你非常清楚所以包租代管我們要在各縣市拉高這個我們恐怕就要給更多的優惠之前我詢問部長部長給我的回應是說我說可不可以有各縣市的差異譬如說以台北市六都來說租金比較高我們是不是要提高部長給我的意見是說不可能不用 |
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那我覺得那落實一百萬戶的這個社宅包租代管這恐怕就會非常的困難事實上我也查到了我們過去其實有幾次有調整這個免稅額包租代管的免稅額從一萬到一萬五其實都有所以有沒有可能我們要落實包租代管的政策把這個數字在各縣市都有機會拉高 |
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我們可不可以有機會再討論那個免稅額的部分否則你一萬五在台北市可能租不到十坪一個家庭怎麼住得進去免稅額是房東的免稅額啦房東的免稅額當然是房東的免稅我們要鼓勵房東把他空屋丟出來租嘛那你如果沒有給足夠的誘因他不會丟出來嘛 |
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各位委員報告其實現在的誘因其實已經相當相當好了啦當然房東會期待說我通通不要繳稅會更好其實租金很多都是隱形的經濟收入但是他要丟出來配合社宅包租代管的政策所以我才提出來我支持賴清德的一百萬戶我也希望能做得成功因為各政黨總統候選都有提出來 |
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你也同意包租貸款成功必須要有更多的誘因那我覺得我們過去有從一萬條到一萬五我們有沒有可能再提高這個部分其實比較複雜啦因為其實他不是說因為齊頭市平等還是有他的我沒有要各縣市就是說齊頭市的平等我們可以提高譬如說現在是一萬五未來有沒有可能提到兩萬或兩萬五 |
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市長,過渡時期當你還沒有興建完成的時候你就需要更多的人加入包租代管房東加入包租代管所以我才提出來這個過渡時期哪怕是兩年、三年或五年你需要有更多的政策工具讓更多的房東願意把房子丟進來 |
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做社宅出租您了解我的意思嗎?其實以現在報告館推動的進度看來現在的租稅優惠房東還蠻認同的啦所以說我覺得這部分要滾動你去觀察為什麼台北市會這麼少但是很多人想加進來所以我才認為這是一個誘因我不敢講說差異性但是至少我們過去有從一萬提到一萬五那我們再把它拉高到兩萬說不定就有更多的人願意把這個房子丟出來做入社宅的出租 |
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我希望這個政策好好去考慮因為現在房租現在這幾年包括今天我看到房租的價格出租的價格是創歷年來的新高27年來的新高所以我覺得這一塊恐怕是你們要去考量的地方謝謝委員支持我們會謝謝李彥秀委員的質詢接著我們請戴惠文委員質詢 |