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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150672 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第7次會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-29T11:58:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-29T12:04:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:36 |
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| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:58:33 - 12:04:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，為避免物價因電價調漲，民生痛苦指數飆升，因此反對台電公司調漲電價，建請院會作成決議：立即停止調漲電價，並要求行政院責成相關部會即刻檢討現行能源政策並提出因應對策與配套措施，以兼顧人民生計、維持供電穩定及台電公司之正常營運。是否有當？請公決案等3案。（3月29日）
二、審計長列席報告中華民國111年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（4月2日）
三、3月29日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
四、4月2日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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張委員啓楷：（11時58分）主席、各位委員，大家好！台電是國營事業的模範生，它本來是一隻金雞母，可是台電現在變成了敗家子，台電過去每年都可以繳回國庫100億到200億，可是最近變成敗家子，為什麼金雞母會變成敗家子呢？ |
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過去兩年，我們已經挹注了4,000億的資金，人民的納稅錢補了4,000億進去了。過去兩年已經漲了兩次電價，現在4月1日還要再漲，再漲下去，我們人民的納稅錢繼續投下去，可是虧損一定會繼續。我們要講的是這次4月1日沒有擋下來，沒有凍漲，9月份電價可能再漲，明年可能再漲，後年可能再漲。沒有改革就不能漲電價，台電的虧損到底出了什麼問題？至少有三大漏洞，台電不把漏洞補起來、不改革，我們堅決到底，絕對不能漲電價。台電至少有三大問題、三個大的黑洞，第一個，它跟民間電廠買電，特別是9家民營電廠，當初李登輝總統決定向民間電廠買電，基本上是為了價格要往下降的，可是本席發現，在111年到112年的時候，我們燃煤的成本往下降，台電確實用燃煤的成本往下了，可是它就跟民間買電，往上走，這太不合理了。所以第一個，向民間電廠買的電有沒有買太貴，應該趕快去檢討。 |
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第二個，錯誤的政策比貪污還更可怕。我們的能源結構是不是出了一個很大的問題呢？105年我們用的核電占所有發電的16%，可是到了今天只剩下7%，最便宜的核電不用，核電現在一度是1.09元，是最便宜的電，可是從16%一直降，降到現在剩7%，民進黨廢核的成本至少有1,000億，大家想一下，這次漲電價，民進黨政府跟我們講要補六百多億，如果這1,000億不要花，為什麼要漲電價呢？所以現在整個發電的結構是不是要重新再做一個調整？更嚴重的，我們不反對綠電，可是我們是不是買得太貴，特別是弊案叢生的太陽能？我要問，不只是臺南的88槍；我們要問，聯合再生為什麼違法出售股權？國發基金為什麼用我們人民的納稅錢虧本去投資呢？我們也要問，臺鹽綠能為什麼要付上億元給一家紙上公司──縱橫家？這家縱橫家為什麼跟雲豹能源是同一個聯絡地址呢？我們也要問臺南市長黃偉哲被約談的力暘能源，為什麼它可以利用臺鹽綠能擁有的國家公權力去套利呢？這些弊案不講清楚嗎？太陽能被起訴案子目前至少已經有60件，所以在向民間電廠買電有沒有買太貴的問題，在整個用電的結構，特別是太陽能弊案重重的狀況之下，台電不改革，已經變成敗家子了，憑什麼再漲電價呢？不改革，憑什麼再漲電價呢？而且漏洞不補起來，9月份可能要再漲，以後還是會再漲。 |
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所以民眾黨今天具體提案，我們要求，第一個，針對臺灣整體的能源政策；第二個，對於電價的結構；第三個，對於台電所有的支出，還有它要怎麼去節約，一定要向本院做報告，特別是我們要先給經濟委員會，經濟委會沒有審查通過之前，全面反漲。在本院的經濟委員會沒有審查通過之前，當台電跟政府沒有清楚跟我們講三大黑洞怎麼補起來，整個政策到底要怎麼走，整個結構要不要調整，為什麼浪費那麼多錢？在沒有解釋清楚之前，絕對不能漲；沒有改革，電價絕對不能漲，謝謝。 |
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主席：現在進行大體討論，每位委員發言時間3分鐘。請洪委員申翰發言，並截止登記發言。 |
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主席各位委員大家好台電是國營事業的模範生它本來是一隻金雞母可是台電現在變成了敗家子台電過去每年都可以 |
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繳回國庫一百億到兩百億可是最近變成了敗家子為什麼金雞母會變成敗家子呢過去兩年我們已經溢出了四千億的資金人民納稅錢補了四千億進去了過去兩年已經漲了兩次電價現在四月一號還要再漲 |
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在漲了下去我們人民的納稅錢繼續投下去可是虧損一定會繼續我們要講的是這次事業要沒有擋下來沒有動漲九月份電價可能再漲明年可能再漲後年可能再漲 |
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沒有改革就不能漲電價?台電的虧損到底出了什麼問題?至少有三大漏洞,台電不把漏洞補起來不改革,我們堅決到底,絕對不能漲電價。 |
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台電至少有三大問題三個大的黑洞第一個它跟民間電廠的買電特別是九家民營電廠當初李登輝總統決定向民間買電廠是為了什麼就是價格基本上是要往下降的可是本席發現 |
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在111年到112年的時候我們燃煤的成本往下降台電確實用燃煤的成本往下了可是他就跟民間買電往上走這太不合理了所以第一個像民間電廠買的電有沒有買太貴應該趕快去檢討第二個錯誤的政策比貪污還更可怕錯誤的政策比貪污還更可怕我們的能源結構是不是有出了很大的一個問題呢 |
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105年我們用的核電占所有的用電16%可是到了今天只剩下7% |
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最便宜的核電不用核電下一度是1.09元是最便宜的電可是呢從16%一直上降降降降到現在7%至少民進黨廢核的成本至少有1000億大家想一下這次漲電價民進黨政府跟我們講要補600多億如果這1000億不要花為什麼要漲電價呢如果這1000億不要花 |
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為什麼要漲電價呢?所以現在整個電的這個結果是不是要重新再做一個調整?更嚴重的我們不反對綠電可是是不是買的太貴特別是弊案重生的太陽能呢?我要問不只是台南的88槍我們要問聯合再生為什麼違法出售股權? |
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國發基金為什麼用我們人民的納稅錢虧本去投資呢?我們也要問臺原綠能為什麼要付給商業園、給一家紙上公司叫做縱橫家這家縱橫家為什麼跟雲豹能源是同一個聯絡地址呢?我們也要問臺南市長黃偉哲被約談的立揚能源為什麼他可以利用? |
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臺原能源擁有這個國家的公權力去套利呢?這些弊案不講清楚嗎?太陽能被歧視的案子至少目前已經有60件所以在向民間電廠買電沒買太貴的問題在整個用電的這個結構特別是太陽能弊案重重的狀況之下不改革臺電不改革已經變成敗家子了憑什麼在漲電價呢? |
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不改革憑什麼再漲電價呢?而且漏洞不補起來九月份可能要再漲以後還是會再漲所以民眾黨今天具體的這個提案我們要求第一個針對台灣整體的能源政策第二個對於電價的這個結果第三個對於台電所有的支出還有它這有什麼癥結癥結要怎麼去結業一定要向本院做報告特別是我們要先付給 |
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經濟委員會經濟委員會沒有審查通過之前全面反戰在本院的經濟委員會沒有審查通過之前當台電跟政府沒有清楚跟我們講三大黑洞怎麼補起來整個政策到底要怎麼走整個結構要不要調整為什麼浪費那麼多錢在沒有解釋清楚之前絕對不能 |
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好 謝謝現在進行大體討論每位委員發言時間3分鐘請紅委員伸漢發言並截止登記發言 |