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| 日期 |
2024-03-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
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第11屆第1會期第7次會議 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
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| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第7次會議 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-03-29T11:29:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-29T11:32:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:03:30 |
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| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:06 - 11:32:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，為避免物價因電價調漲，民生痛苦指數飆升，因此反對台電公司調漲電價，建請院會作成決議：立即停止調漲電價，並要求行政院責成相關部會即刻檢討現行能源政策並提出因應對策與配套措施，以兼顧人民生計、維持供電穩定及台電公司之正常營運。是否有當？請公決案等3案。（3月29日）
二、審計長列席報告中華民國111年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（4月2日）
三、3月29日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
四、4月2日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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李委員坤城：（11時29分）每個人都想當聖誕老公公，沒有人要扮演黑臉嘛！當聖誕老公公發錢給大家多好！凍漲多好！大家都會覺得很開心，但是凍漲的結果，其實台電的虧損也是全民在補貼啊！所以討好選民說我現在幫大家凍漲了，那未來台電的虧損呢？一樣是全民要補貼嘛！所以今天我們在討論電價要凍漲的這個事情，先回歸到當初這個制度是怎麼出來的，104年立法院有通過一個電價公式，設置了一個電價費率審議委員會。請問一下，104年是哪一個黨在執政？是國民黨在執政啊！國民黨在執政的時候，立法院要求行政院要設立一個電價費率審議委員會，當時他是說，我們希望建立一個制度化、透明化、市場化的電價調整機制。所以當初是立法院的決議，要求當時候國民黨的行政院、國民黨的政府要來做的嘛！那時候在立法院誰比較大？國民黨啊！所以國民黨當初要求國民黨的政府要設立這個電價委員會，現在幾年之後，國民黨變成最大黨了，反而要求說不行，這個就是要立法院來審議，這不是時空錯置嗎？這好像是說，只要國民黨是最大黨，它想要自己在立法院審議，就在立法院審議，它想要讓行政院審議，就讓行政院審議。 |
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我們今天設立了這個電價費率審議委員會，這也不是民進黨主導的啊！這裡面學者專家、消費者團體都有啊！所以是一個獨立的機構，按照目前的電價，台電有可能虧損大概多少，那我們漲多少，我相信都是經過學者專家、消費者代表合理的討論。大家也知道過去這兩年為什麼台電會虧損的原因，是國際原料大漲啊！那不是只有漲臺灣嘛！其他各國電價有沒有調整？都有相應的調整，所以不要把這個東西歸咎到因為過去沒有用核能，應該採核能政策，要用核電，彷彿用了核電之後電價就不用再調整了，這種講法也是天方夜譚嘛！民進黨政府今天雖然做了這個決定，大家覺得不開心，但是這是一個負責任的態度。我相信今天不管是國民黨或是民眾黨，雖然有這種討好民眾的建議出來，但是我覺得民進黨作為一個執政的、負責任的政府，應該要勇於對全民說真話。 |
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主席：好，謝謝。下一位我們請牛煦庭委員發言。 |
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這個每個人都想搭聖誕老公公沒有人要當扮演黑臉當聖誕老公公發錢給大家多好動漲多好這個大家都會覺得很開心但是動漲的結果其實台電的虧損也是全面在補貼 |
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那所以說討好的這個選民說我現在幫大家動長了那未來台電的虧損呢一樣全民要來做這個補貼嘛那所以呢今天我們在討論說這個電價這個要動長的這個事情那先回歸到這個當初這個製作是怎麼出來的 |
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這個是在104年立法院有通過一個電價的公式設置了一個電價費率審議委員會那請問一下104年是哪一個黨在執政的是國民黨在執政啊國民黨在執政的時候 |
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這個要求行政院立法院要求行政院要定立一個電價費率審議委員會那當時候呢他是說這個我們希望建立一個制度化透明化市場化的一個電價調整機制所以當初是這個立法院的決議要求當時候的這一個國民黨的行政院國民黨政府要來做的嘛那時候在立法院誰比較大 |
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國民黨啊所以國民黨當初要求國民黨的政府要設立這一個電價委員會那現在幾年之後國民黨變成最大黨了反而要求說不行這個就是要立法院來審議這不是時空措置嗎這好像是說只要國民黨是最大黨他想要自己審議在立法院審議就在立法院審議他想要讓行政院審議就在行政院審議 |
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那我們今天設立的這一個電價費用審議委員會這也不是民進黨主導的啊這裡面學者專家、消費者團體都有啊那所以這一個獨立的一個機構按照目前的這一個電價、台電有可能虧損大概多少那我們漲多少我相信都是經過學者專家、消費者代表一個合理的討論 |
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那大家也知道說過去這兩年這個為什麼台電會虧損的原因這是國際原料大漲啊那不是只有漲台灣嘛其他各國電價有沒有做調整都有相應的做調整所以不要把這個東西規定到說這個因為過去沒有用核能這個核能政策要用核電 |
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好像所彷彿說用了核電之後電價就不用再做調整了這種講法也是天方夜譚嘛那所以說民進黨政府今天雖然做這個決定大家覺得說不開心但是這是一個負責任的態度那我相信說今天不管是國民黨或是民眾黨雖然有這一種討好民眾的 |
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好,謝謝下一位我們請劉許廷委員質詢啊,發言 |