| IVOD_ID |
150623 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150623 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
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社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-28T11:43:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-28T11:50:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:43:22 - 11:50:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請衛生福利部部長就「社會安全網缺失檢討及具體改進作法」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就「出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結案18案（報告事項）。【第18案，如經復議則不予處理】
【專題報告綜合詢答】
【3月27日及28日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時43分）主席、各位委員。有請部長，還有教育部次長。 |
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主席：請薛部長，請林次長。 |
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薛部長瑞元：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長辛苦了，還有次長，今天看了你們的報告，比上次的好很多了，有比較詳細的、相關的檢討跟相關的因應。教育部這邊作為一個主管機關，真的你們要，不是爾後，現在就要去，針對兒盟這樣的一個機構、財團法人，直接就要去好好的檢討，尤其是過去沒有去注意到的地方。像它的監察人從 110年到現在就沒有，類似像這樣的對不對，次長，不是說爾後，現在就要好好地去檢視，然後該有的作為就應該要有所作為。 |
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林次長明裕：有，我們也令它即時的補選監察人，那一般如果沒有監察人、是屬於基金規模比較小…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我只是舉例子，但是這是一個嚴重的兒童死亡案件，然後這些相關的制度、社工員的訪視各方面都有很多需要檢討的地方，包括保母的選擇，保母是最重要的，對不對？這個選擇顯然有問題嘛！對保母的選擇就不對了，一開始就沒有搞清楚嘛！所以這個部分要請教育部好好的針對這個事件，該有怎麼樣的處分，就依法來辦理，請次長回座。 |
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好，部長，今天我們來看這個資料，臺灣真的是一個很可悲的地方，我每次參加婚禮，除了祝福之外，我就是拜託他們多多的生孩子，你看我們的嬰兒出生數確實像是在溜滑梯，但是我們對孩童的協助，尤其是對脆弱家庭的協助，真的是非常非常的不足，所以才發生這樣的事情，我們新生兒、嬰兒的死亡數真的是很多。我剛剛有講過，今天衛福部的檢討報告比上次的內容有增進很多了，現在關於兒童、少年的最佳利益這個部分，因為我是原住民，我對這個最佳利益的考量交給民間機構一直是有意見的，譬如說，原住民的孩子要被出養是不是符合他的最佳利益，不能只看收養人是不是很有錢，你知道嗎？有時候是看這個族群的關係，也會有族群的因素，但是從來就欠缺這個部分，我們也沒辦法，因為那個都是要送到法院，由法院去看，我們也不能怪法官，因為他沒有時間，他也沒有那個能力，所以只好按照這個，所以這個制度要怎麼樣去強化是很重要的，兒少的最佳利益是一個關鍵。 |
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薛部長瑞元：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：另外，剛剛我談到的保母，我們常常從媒體報導或網路上看到孩童或老人家被虐待的影片，所以保母真的很重要，包括保母的選擇、保母的教育，然後還有社工員的選擇、社工員的教育，我就談社工員好了，社工師很難考，我認識的人都考不上社工師，但是他們在社工界非常棒，他能考上也要祝福他，但是不只是所謂的教育訓練，更重要的是他那個社工的角色要怎麼樣能夠落實在所有的工作上，請部長回應一下。 |
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薛部長瑞元：謝謝委員的質詢，這個部分包括社工，現在社工是不限於社工師，其他沒有考上執照但是有一定資格的人還是可以當社工人員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我知道。 |
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薛部長瑞元：包括我們的社工人員，包括我們的保母，其實大部分都是好的，我們現在主要在處理的就是怎麼樣預防一些不好的，能夠讓他不會惡意的去做這類的事情，其實我們從這一個案子得到的教訓是這樣子，所以我們必須先肯定大部分的保母都是好人，都是有好好做事的，重點是在制度上面要怎麼樣能夠把這些不好的排除，或者縱然他進來了，讓他也不敢做壞事。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，繼續加油，謝謝。 |
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薛部長瑞元：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員，接下來請徐巧芯委員發言。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請衛生福利部部長就「社會安全網缺失檢討及具體改進作法」進行專題報告，並備質詢；
二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就「出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北
市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告」進行專題報告，並備質詢；三、處理中華民國113年
度中央政府總預算決議有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結案 18 案（報告事項）。【專題報告綜合詢
答】 |
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主席、各位委員有請部長還有教育部次長請薛部長、請林次長委員好部長辛苦了還有次長今天看了你們的報告比上次好很多 |
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有比較詳細的相關的這些檢討跟相關的因應那教育部這邊作為一個主管機關真的你們要不是噁後現在就要去針對兒童這樣的一個機構財團法人 |
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直接就要去好好地去檢討過去沒有去注意到像他的監察人從110年到現在就沒有類似像這樣對不對那個次長不是說噁後現在就要去好好地去檢視然後該有的作為就應該要有所作為有 我也認他 |
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及死的補選監察人那一般如果沒有監察人是屬於基金規模比較小的我只是舉例子啦但是以這個案對兒童的這樣的一個嚴重的死亡案件然後相關的這些制度社工員的訪視各方面都是很多需要檢討的包括那個保母的 |
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的選擇保姆最重要啊對不對這選擇顯然有問題嘛但是合作的合作選擇的就不對了嘛一開始就沒有搞清楚嘛所以這部分要請教一部好好的去針對這個事件然後要做應該該有怎麼樣的處分就該有怎麼樣的就依法依法來辦理請那個次長回頭 |
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好部長那今天這個資料我們看這個臺灣真的是一個很可悲的地方每次我參加結婚的我都拜託我除了祝福之外就是拜託多多多的生孩子你看我們的嬰兒出生數確實是在溜滑梯但是我們的 |
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新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告 |
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衛福部的檢討報告裡面我剛剛有講過這個比上次的所有的內容都增進很多了那現在就是說這個最佳利益兒童、少年的最佳利益這個部分因為我是原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
252.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
276.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
我對這個最佳利益的考量交給這個民間的機構我一直是有意見的比如說原住民的孩子要被出養是不是最佳利益不能只看他有沒有很有錢啊你知道嗎所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
277.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
301.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
有時候是這個族群的關係也會有希望有族群的因素但是從來就欠缺這個部分我們也沒辦法因為那個都要送到法院啊所以要送到法院法院就看我們也不能怪法官啊他也沒時間他也沒有這個那個能力只好按照這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
304.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
306.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
進行專題報告進行專題報告進行專題報告進行專題報告進行專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
337.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
360.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
所以這個保姆很重要所以保姆的選擇保姆的教育然後社工研的選擇社工研的教育我就談社工研好了社工研啊社工師很難考啊我認識的人都考不上社工師啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
362.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
389.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
但是他們在社工界非常棒所以這個教育訓練他能考上祝福他但是相關的教育訓練尤其那個那個不是所謂的教育訓練更重要的是他那個社工的角色的能夠怎麼樣能夠落實在這個所有的工作上這個是一個因為時間的關係這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
397.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
417.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
謝謝委員的質詢這一個部分包括社工現在社工是不限於社工師其他沒有考上製造但是他一定資格的還是可以當社工人員包括我們的社工人員包括我們的保母其實大部分都是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
419.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
423.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我們現在只是在處理的就是怎麼樣預防一些不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
425.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
451.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
能夠讓他不會有這種惡意的去做這些這類的事情其實我們這一個案子得到的教訓是這樣子所以我們必須先肯定大部分的都是好人都是好好做事的就是在制度上面怎麼樣讓他能夠把這一些不好的排除或者撞了他進來他也不敢做壞事 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
453.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
456.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
好 繼續加油好 謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員 |