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150513 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150513 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-5 |
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第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-27T12:09:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-27T12:16:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9baf490faf5eb4d5b280de1f66a13d4eedc5a8dea5ca6478f8ba9b0039caa7a6bd02ad7df8a93d275ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:09:31 - 12:16:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司就電價大漲及央行升息對物價波動的影響進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月25日及27日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時9分）主席、委員。有請主計長、經濟部次長。 |
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主席（羅委員明才）：來，請朱主計長還有曾次長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主計長好還有次長好。今天的專題報告是電價大漲及央行升息對物價波動影響專題報告，我們看消費者物價基本分類指數逐年上升，到今年2月的數字，那時候還沒有漲電價，電價還沒有大漲，物價就逐年上升、逐月上升，所以現在已經宣布要漲電價，而且4月1日開始，我們看主計總處的報告裡面有提到經濟部的一個資料，整體平均漲幅約11%，這個是電價的部分。 |
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那我們看主計總處的分析，依本次電價調漲方案，評估將直接影響CPI 0.07%，所以對113年CPI增幅影響約0.18%。如果我們相較於剛才講的這個表，這是主計總處自己的表，當初電價沒有上漲的情況之下，疫情這一兩年也趨緩了，然後什麼俄烏戰爭也都已經過了，什麼油費漲的都已經過了，但是物價還是漲。所以不曉得，主計長，你們這個113年CPI增幅影響約0.18%，到底是怎麼分析出來的？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我們是根據……因為這邊講電費占CPI的權數是1.15%，所以電費如果是漲的話，乘以那個權數，那我們估計到……因為4月1號漲，有9個月，所以大概是0.07%。 |
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另外電費漲，一些工業的用戶它的成本也漲，而且我們是假定這些是完全反映在價格上，事實上這些不一定會完全反映在價格上，因為要看市場的供需彈性，我們已經是做了一個滿高的估計，所以0.17，假定全部轉給消費者負擔，我們是這樣子算出來的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個說明還待斟酌，因為在沒有電價上漲的情況之下，消費者物價指數都還逐年上升，逐月上升。電價上漲就會影響到很多的食衣住行育樂、醫療，都會包括啊！所以這個部分，如果想要達到這些你剛剛講的分析，就必須怎麼樣呢？第一個，經濟部你要請中油、自來水公司，你所主管的國營事業就不要漲。因為電價上漲，中油的成本也會提高啊！自來水公司也會提高啊！經濟部次長，可以協調中油、自來水公司都凍漲。次長？ |
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曾次長文生：跟委員報告，中油的部分它的油價是浮動油價，已經行之有年。另外，第二個是有關於自來水的部分，我們會去看看自來水公司它的整個電價反應對整個成本影響的幅度來做觀察，看看它實際的狀況是如何。謝謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：剛才在經濟委員會，就是在審查中油的預算，大家都希望中油不要漲相關的這些油價，所以自來水公司下禮拜也會審查，我們也會這樣要求。 |
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那主計總處這邊，如果你要達到你剛才的分析，因為今天有很多國營事業的主管機關沒有來，第一個臺鐵，交通部要去協調；高鐵，請交通部要去協調。當然我現在只能請主計總處來去協調。還有很多地方的捷運，還有財政部所屬的菸酒公司等等國、民營事業，當然很多的醫療院所，尤其是醫療院所不可能關電、關燈，最起碼從衛福部所屬的全部都要去自行吸收，一定要凍漲。主計長，可以嗎？要去協調啊！才能達到你剛才的報告啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：委員，這麼多不漲，那什麼該漲？不好意思啦！我…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以嘛！你這句話顯然就是要讓……連政府機關的，包括國營事業，意思說就配合漲啊！所以這個部分是要審慎地，絕對要積極地來去協調，好不好？ |
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朱主計長澤民：好，我們就尊重委員，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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下一位質詢請葉元之葉委員，葉元之委員改書面。 |
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請鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱，鍾委員不在。 |
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請羅智強羅委員。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司就電
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主席我們委員還有請我們主計長還有經濟部次長來請朱主席長和曾次長 |
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主席長好還有次長好今天的專題報告是電價大漲及央行升息對物價波動影響專題報告我們看這個消費者物價基本分類指數逐年上升到今年二月的一個數字到今年二月所以那時候還沒有 |
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張電價電價還沒有大漲這個物價就逐年上升逐月上升所以現在已經宣布要漲電價而且4月1號開始那我們看主計總處的報告裡面有提到這個就是經濟部 |
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那邊的一個資料整體平均漲幅約11%這個是電價的部分那我們看這個主計總處的分析這個一本次電價調漲方案評估將直接影響CPI0.07個百分點 |
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所以對113年CPI增幅影響約0.18個百分點這個如果我們相較於剛才講的這個表這是主計總處自己的表當初沒有這個電價沒有上漲的情況之下 |
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疫情這幾年這一兩年也期緩了然後什麼二屋戰爭那個也都已經過了那個什麼油費什麼漲的那些都已經過了但是還是漲物價所以不曉得這個主計長你們這個 |
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113年GPI增幅影響約0.18個百分點到底是怎麼分析出來的 |
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那個是我們是根據那個是因為電匯這邊講電匯占CPI的全數是1.15個百分點所以電匯如果是漲的話那個乘以那個全數那我們估計因為這個4月1號漲所以有9個月所以我們大概是0.07個百分點另外電匯漲一些工業的用戶 |
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他的成本也漲而且我們是假定這些是完全反映在價格上事實上這些不一定會完全反映在價格上因為他要看市場的供需台性我們以前是做了一個蠻高的一個估計所以0.17他假定全部轉給消費的負擔所以我們是這樣子算出來的 |
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這個說明還要帶徵走因為在沒有電價上漲的情況之下消費者物價指數都還逐年上升逐月上升電價上漲就會影響到很多的食衣住行、育樂、醫療都會包括 |
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所以這個部分是因為如果要想要達到這些你剛剛講的分析就必須怎麼樣呢應該第一個經濟部你要請中油、四來水公司你所主管的國營事業就不要漲 |
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因為他電價上漲他也會中油的成本也會提高自來水公司也會提高那經濟部次長可以協調中油自來水公司都不要動漲 |
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剛才在經濟委員會 |
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就是在審查中油的預算所以大家都希望中油不要漲相關的這些油價所以次海水公司下禮拜也會審查我們也會這樣要求那主計總處這邊如果你要達到你剛才的分析 |
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因為今天有很多那個國營事業的主管機關沒有來了第一個要台鐵要去協調交通部高鐵要去協調請交通部去協調當然我現在只能請主計總處來去協調還有很多的地方的捷運還有這個財政部所屬的煙酒公司等等 |
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國民運營事業當然很多的醫療院手尤其是醫療院手不可能關電關燈啊最起碼從這個衛福部所屬的來去這個全部都不要要去自行吸收不要動一定要動長那個主席長可以嗎 |
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要去協調才能達到你剛才的那個報告那個委員這麼多部長知道什麼該講所以嘛所以嘛我們這計畫顯然就是要連政府機關的包括國營事業意思說就配合長啊所以這個部分是要審慎的絕對要積極的來去協調好不好謝謝 |
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稍後質詢請業委員 |