| IVOD_ID |
150418 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150418 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-26T11:53:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-26T12:09:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f45bf982c29023eebcf6ebada7e2ea268ac1d636ef3e2fe8f8ba9b0039caa7a6bd08ba42753e627a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:53:53 - 12:09:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第6次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。
二、3月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、3月26日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝委員龍介：（11時54分）我請陳院長。 |
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主席：麻煩再請陳院長備詢。 |
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陳院長建仁：謝委員好。 |
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謝委員龍介：院長辛苦了。我看你面對民進黨委員的質詢都眉開眼笑，如果是國民黨…… |
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陳院長建仁：我對你也是眉開眼笑。沒有啦！如果講得有道理，我當然就眉開眼笑。 |
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謝委員龍介：不是啦！對於國民黨的一些年輕委員，其實我們疼惜年輕人是不分黨派的。 |
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陳院長建仁：我同意、我同意。 |
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謝委員龍介：你的年紀都能當人家的父親了…… |
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陳院長建仁：當阿公也可以。 |
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謝委員龍介：人家問你什麼，你竟然一副「啊！你外行！」的樣子，不要這樣，我覺得你這樣…… |
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陳院長建仁：沒有啦！就是講道理啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：民進黨委員講的我聽起來也覺得文不對題，可是這個時候你就說：我舉個例子給你聽。人生是在學習…… |
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陳院長建仁：沒錯。 |
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謝委員龍介：他是代表人民來啊！臺灣2,300萬人…… |
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陳院長建仁：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：專業的人也沒有很多，像你這麼專業的人沒有幾個耶！ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，你比較專業。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以我對你的尊敬是這樣來的。內行，我跟你說，內行惡質的人很多，官商勾結都是內行的，內行的會「縛枝骨」，所以你看那些太陽能，都是內行的在搞，還會接受不當的招待，人家才要服務你啊！那種內行的比外行的更慘耶！ |
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陳院長建仁：如果是這樣，要報給檢察官抓他們去關。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以不要用內行跟外行，在這裡我覺得…… |
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陳院長建仁：但是問政就要內行。 |
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謝委員龍介：因為他們都值得你疼惜嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：對啦！我同意，我要疼惜年輕人。 |
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謝委員龍介：如果是我在這裡講錯，你就可以不用疼惜我…… |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，我還是要疼惜。 |
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謝委員龍介：你可以直接跟我講…… |
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陳院長建仁：互相疼惜啦！互相疼惜。 |
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謝委員龍介：因為我的人生經驗跟他們比較不一樣。我請問你，你有在吃「胖」嗎？你會愛吃「胖」嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：「胖」？麵包嘛？ |
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謝委員龍介：對、對、對、對。 |
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陳院長建仁：有啦！我有吃麵包。 |
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謝委員龍介：像你的部長說，麵包店一個月吃電不超過700度，他也很外行。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有啦！看是哪一種麵包店。 |
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謝委員龍介：他也很外行啦！對不對？哪一個烘焙業者現在不是吃電吃很重？ |
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陳院長建仁：對啦！烘焙業本來就…… |
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謝委員龍介：就像你說的，醫院的電費差不多占成本的0.5%，這是正確的，但是電價上漲之後，原來你的部長在3月初是講說掛號費從現在開始就不用受到過去的約束，讓醫院自行調整。 |
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陳院長建仁：不是自行調整，不用…… |
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謝委員龍介：自行調整啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：不用報備啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：算他的成本，不用再報備。 |
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陳院長建仁：對，不用報備。 |
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謝委員龍介：這樣的意思就是你們差不多要漲電價了，然後這0.5%他們就從掛號費去調整就好。 |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，沒有這個意思，現在調整掛號費的很少。 |
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謝委員龍介：他之前的發言就有說到醫療成本，所以自行去調整，我不是要跟你說對或不對，因為事實上就是大家都有感受到漲價。 |
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能源政策已經決定非核，所以造成非核能大家要去面對，而你是最高的行政首長，你有義務將人民瞬間的痛苦降低，這就跟治療一樣，如果你突然一次通通來，我跟你說基層就會撐不住，這是必然的，但是不漲價的話，台電就會倒…… |
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陳院長建仁：對啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：政府也是要面對其他的問題，也是很嚴重啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以大家是不是要回歸到能源政策，你也不敢說不然就繼續將核能延期，你敢承諾嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：核能如果延期，不一定會比較省錢，現在…… |
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謝委員龍介：人家都是專家，也有內行的人，都研究過了，可以在安全的情形下延續20年，不但是在安全的情形下，你說沒有比較省錢，我跟你說，絕對比你的太陽能省錢，也比你的燃氣省錢，我跟你保證…… |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，核能廠除役的錢是很貴的喔！ |
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謝委員龍介：我知道啦！在它還沒除役前…… |
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陳院長建仁：還有核廢料的處理呢？核廢料難道說放著讓我們子子孫孫去負擔嗎？ |
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謝委員龍介：你最愛講科學啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：對啊！科學就是核廢料處理的錢…… |
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謝委員龍介：科學就是過去的核能廢料，40年前的核能廢料，跟今天核能廢料所面對的科學已經不一樣了，甚至在未來的10年內，這些核能廢料的再利用，都可以在科學安全的監督之下得到再利用…… |
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陳院長建仁：不是…… |
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謝委員龍介：我今天不是要跟你討論核能的政策…… |
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陳院長建仁：這個我不同意。 |
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謝委員龍介：沒關係…… |
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陳院長建仁：這不是科學。 |
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謝委員龍介：我就跟你說，漲電價…… |
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陳院長建仁：核廢料處理很貴。 |
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謝委員龍介：漲電價以後會影響很多啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：電費的上漲跟核能沒有關係。 |
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謝委員龍介：因為福利單位不用漲價，學校不用漲價，那醫療單位是否可以不用漲價，你們本身就要去做評估。 |
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我再請教你一個問題，你知道臺灣有多少「黑人」嗎？我講的「黑人」是沒有身分證、沒有戶口的人。 |
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陳院長建仁：我想有一些逃逸的勞工…… |
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謝委員龍介：明確的數字，你不用回答。你知道有這些人嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我知道有這些人…… |
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謝委員龍介：大概有多少？ |
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陳院長建仁：逃逸勞工。 |
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謝委員龍介：不是逃逸，逃逸的部分，我們是有列管、有他們的資料，我不是在跟你說逃逸的，逃逸的有八、九萬人，你們登錄的有八萬五千多人，但是實際的數字比這個還多，你有認同嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我沒有這個數字，我不知道你的數字從哪裡來的？ |
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謝委員龍介：好，我來跟你說，登錄八萬五千多人，實際是超過八萬五千多人。你知道這些逃逸外勞都在做什麼嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：大部分我所瞭解的，如果有抓到以後，我們知道的…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒有啦！抓到的，就已經被你抓走了。 |
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陳院長建仁：抓到的人會反映他們以前逃逸的期間在做什麼，大部分依然還是在這裡打工啦。 |
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謝委員龍介：對，我講給你聽。院長，有很多事情因為你都很忙，基層的人員也不一定在第一時間跟你報告這些細節，你知不知道那些逃逸外勞有生多少小孩？我在說的「黑人」就是這個。 |
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陳院長建仁：如果你是說逃逸外勞生多少小孩，這個我們…… |
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謝委員龍介：生小孩沒報戶口。 |
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陳院長建仁：衛福部也有一些統計。 |
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謝委員龍介：生小孩沒報戶口，接下來怎麼樣？現在你們又要讓印度進來10萬人，你知不知道現在在工地上面，大型工地都會寫一張「僱用非法外籍勞工會罰15萬至75萬」，寫得很多啦！結果你知不知道這些外籍勞工在做什麼？我跟你說，他們在做包工頭，和我們臺灣的包工頭在拚！我們包工頭看到這個大工程，譬如部長這裡缺40個工人，明天幫你派來，1天1位工人2,800元，而逃逸外勞的包工頭卻說不用，只要2,300元就好了。他在和我們臺灣這些合法的包工頭拚，他不用幫工人保勞保，他也不用成本，結果他拚2,300元，這個發包的人竟然僱用他，讓他明天8點準時準點派40個人來報到。你們都抓不到，你們都沒辦法抓啊！我現在跟你說這個news，院長有沒有信心抓到？ |
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陳院長建仁：好，我們要認真來查緝。這個部分，我請部長說一下。 |
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謝委員龍介：你們現在檢舉有沒有獎金？ |
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陳院長建仁：讓部長說一下。 |
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許部長銘春：報告委員，逃逸移工的查緝是移民署會會同國安團隊一起來抓，所以我們只要有接獲線報，我們會去查緝…… |
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謝委員龍介：不用會同。我現在就跟你說在工地裡面就有這些沒有身分證的逃逸移工，每天在那裡做，還兼做包工頭，他是包工頭，不是來做工而已，他是跟我們臺灣的包工頭在拚，這些土木包工要去跟把大包拿小包，你聽得懂嗎？還要再開發票給他，你聽得懂嗎？他不用發票、不用成本在跟臺灣的包工頭拚啊！ |
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許部長銘春：委員，這種情形只要一檢舉，我們一定會去查緝。 |
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謝委員龍介：我跟你們說，你們的檢舉獎金有多少？1個平均不到1萬。現在逃逸外勞的部分，還有檢舉獎金嗎？ |
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許部長銘春：這可能要問移民署。 |
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陳院長建仁：因為今天不是移民署…… |
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謝委員龍介：我跟你們說，平均1個人得到的檢舉獎金將近1萬塊，你們在3年前大概被領了兩千多萬出去，等於1年抓不到1,000個，可是跑掉的很多。你們有在做，但是怎麼樣？到底是人力不足，沒辦法去面對，還是情報消息掌握得不足？ |
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陳院長建仁：我想這樣啦，委員你今天說的，因為法務部跟內政部沒來，但是我答應你，我們要查緝這些勞工…… |
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謝委員龍介：不是啦！這後面還有治安問題嘛！ |
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陳院長建仁：對，當然，我就是要說這個。 |
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謝委員龍介：還有醫療問題，有很多的問題。 |
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好，勞動部知道兩個禮拜前，鯉魚潭水庫有一個22歲的年輕人在那邊工作溺死，你知道嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我知道，我有看到，很不捨這位…… |
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許部長銘春：我們有看到這個…… |
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謝委員龍介：到現在還沒有找到。我請問你，在水庫做工要開船，他又沒有駕照，為什麼可以開船？這個動力船要考駕照，因為在考駕照當中有跟你約束要怎麼救生，萬一有人溺水，你要怎麼處置，才可以拿到這個駕駛執照，他又沒有駕照，為什麼他可以去開這艘船？造成一條生命消失。這是一個孝子啊！他爸爸生病的時候都是他在照顧，結果你們勞動部有去勞檢嗎？你們有針對這個特殊的行業，整個水庫都沒有監視器，大家都不知道他是怎麼溺死的。我有問水庫的主任，他簡單地說不知道，因為沒人在場所以給你的報告就不準了嘛！院長，難道不是這樣嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：現在只知道人沒了，你們對這個特殊行業、特殊工程的發包是怎麼督導的？你沒辦法嘛！是你們勞動檢查說的，這也是我聽人家說的，如果有donate給你們民進黨的都不用進行勞動檢查啦！ |
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許部長銘春：沒有這回事喔！報告委員，沒有這回事。 |
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謝委員龍介：我知道，你們一定會說沒有嘛！ |
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許部長銘春：確實沒有這回事啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：民進黨我也認識很多人…… |
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許部長銘春：只要有違法的我們一視同仁。 |
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謝委員龍介：我跟你說，我並不是說一定有啦！要避免這款的啦！勞動檢查如果有政治介入…… |
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許部長銘春：不可能啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：枉費院長的人格這麼好、這麼高，你督導的這個部會如果還是有這樣的情形，我是非常不以為然啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：如果勞動部有用政治的方式在做勞動檢查，我一定會要求這樣絕對是不行的。 |
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謝委員龍介：當然啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：另外，你剛剛講到失聯移工的這些問題，實際上我們會請內政部、法務部和勞動部一起研究勞動檢查的問題。 |
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謝委員龍介：這些人都很內行，內行的都知道要去找什麼人、拜託什麼人，你聽得懂嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我知道，這也要地方政府和中央…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒必要，如果來拜託謝龍介，謝龍介就會跟你說這間檢查會怎樣，恰巧就是越拜託越快死，因為沒拜託沒檢查，越拜託越要檢查，所以要避免啦！ |
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院長，蘇丹紅這種東西讓惹出這麼多社會風波，我請教你，這段時間你有要求食藥署針對這些食品安全去擴大檢查嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：有啊！檢查…… |
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謝委員龍介：有嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：檢查的問題就是，如果是蘇丹紅、辣椒粉的這件事，實際上我們是發現…… |
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謝委員龍介：我知道你們有在做，我現在是說，針對其他的食品…… |
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陳院長建仁：當然都有定期在檢查啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：這次的比較緊張，這個月以來你有擴大去做嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：有。 |
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謝委員龍介：有嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：跟委員報告，我們的第一階段就是針對這六個月可能流出來的進口商品去檢查。 |
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謝委員龍介：我跟你說，想說今天是你最後一次在這裡，本來我要拿一份報告給你的，但我不能在這裡講，畢竟要科學嘛！不然的話，要是實驗室又被污染到，就會害到人家的產品，企業可能就倒了，對不對？所以報告出來的時候我會即時拿給你，我的意思就是，你們要擴大去檢查啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：好。 |
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謝委員龍介：不能只針對現在被爆出來的這些去追蹤，對其他的產品有懷疑的，應該也要在這個時候密集地查驗。院長，你看我這樣說…… |
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陳院長建仁：我同意啊！我聽得懂。 |
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謝委員龍介：好。 |
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陳院長建仁：如果你有什麼檢查的單位有檢查出什麼問題的話，送給我、送給部長都可以。 |
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謝委員龍介：我會即時送過去給你，這兩天如果有出來的話，我就隨時送過去給你。 |
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陳院長建仁：當然。 |
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謝委員龍介：因為這是怎樣…… |
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陳院長建仁：檢查要正確啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：食品安全是不能妥協的。 |
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陳院長建仁：確實是如此，我也完全同意，感謝你。 |
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謝委員龍介：如果還有年輕人來這裡向你請教的話，你就要面帶笑容，不能再說他是外行了，好不好？ |
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陳院長建仁：好，我尊重你的建議，多謝你的建議啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：要接受啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：當然，但是如有需要跟他們講…… |
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謝委員龍介：我請教你，這些部會首長有人跟你報告有新內閣在接觸嗎？現在這些部會首長有人跟你報告嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有。 |
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謝委員龍介：都沒有？ |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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謝委員龍介：不會是有在接觸但卻沒跟你報告吧？那就非常沒有職業倫理了！你聽得懂嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：不會啦！這要尊重新的閣揆。 |
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謝委員龍介：如果他有去接觸卻沒跟你報告的話，這個人就非常沒有政治倫理了。 |
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主席：謝謝謝委員龍介的質詢，謝謝陳院長的備詢。 |
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報告院會，上午的質詢到此為止，本次會議未有委員提出臨時提案，我們就不進行臨時提案之處理，下午2點30分繼續開會進行質詢，現在休息。 |
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休息（12時10分） |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 詢答完畢─ |
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我請陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢。看你這樣,剛才民進黨的委員在問你,你都吹笑罵笑。 |
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我對你也非常感激,沒有啦,我們說有道理我當然也非常感激我同意,我同意你做人家老伯都做在地上,你問什麼,你外行不要啊,我感覺你這樣 |
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民進黨在說的話,我聽他講的文不對底,你就說我幾個例子給你聽。我講外行人生是在學生,他是代表人民來,台灣兩千三百萬人,專業也沒有很多。你這專業也沒有幾個,所以我對你的尊敬是這樣。來行,我講來行惡劣很多。 |
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對啦 |
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對,我同意,我要聽哨年輕人。來到這,像我,我如果說錯你就不用聽哨我。沒有沒有,我也要聽哨。你就可以直接把我弄亂了。好想聽哨啦,好想聽哨。我算是比高峰,人生的經驗可能沒有感嘛。所以起來跟你問就說,我請問你,你覺得有在吃胖嗎?你愛吃胖嗎?胖,你麵包嗎?對對對。有啊,我有吃胖。我吃胖。 |
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阿想你沒對阿,阿那做胖的齁,那一個位齁胖點齁,一個位吃電沒超過千百多,他也很過行,他也很過行啦,對不對,分配的到一個人現在,沒吃電吃很胖啦,想你講的阿,阿電衣,他的電錢,他的身份差不多0.5%,這是正確的喔。 |
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但是這個電池了喔,原來你的補充在三月才說,啊這個...掛合費齁,現在開始就不用想過去的約束啦,不用去主行調整。主行調整啦,不用去啦。剩餘的情分我們不用再拋避嘛。對,不用拋避啦。這樣意思你差不多就想說,準備要蓋電池啦。啊這兩天5%你總要對掛合費去調整就好。 |
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我不是要跟你說對與否啦,因為事實企業就是大家都感受到。 |
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臨環政策已經固定恢復,所以做生,恢復年就是大家要去面對。但是面對,你是做過行政收到嗎?你就義務給這個臨民瞬間的痛苦,給他講解嘛。這跟做治療一樣嘛。你如果讓一般人都來,一般人都來,我告訴你,基站就站不住嘛。這是必然的啦,但是沒有去,第一天就要做啊。 |
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政府也是要面對其他的問題,也是很嚴重啊!所以是不是要恢規矩喔?啊大家不然我們來講,恢規矩另外的政策,你不敢講,不然這個婦人繼續要延期啊?你不敢形容?婦人齁,要延期齁,不然一定是比較生疾。啊不,我告訴你,我講,這人都專家,人也有來行的,都要延期過啊! |
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在土地可以安全的情形下,延續二十年。 |
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律師律師律師律師律師律師律師律師律師 |
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您想要說科學啊,科學就是過去婦人庇療到今天40年前的婦人庇療,到今天婦人庇療科學所面對的,已經不一樣了。甚至未來的10年來,這婦人庇療的再利用都可以在科學安全的監督之下遞到再利用。 |
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所以我今天不是要跟你討論婦女的情緒,沒關係。 我就跟你講齁,這個起第一次,臨時起了會影響很多啦。 醫療因為福利單位不用去嘛,學校不用去嘛。 |
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醫療單位可以不用企業的,你們本身就要去做蘋果啦。我再請教你一個問題,你覺得我們台灣有多少黑人?我說的黑人就是沒信心、沒服供的。呃,我想有一些陶藝的勞工。你覺得有這麼多人?我知道有這麼多人,陶藝的勞工。大概有多少,不是陶藝喔,陶藝的我們是有力管喔,我們有他的資料喔。 |
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我不是在跟你說討議喔!討議的八九萬人喔!這是你定錄的有八萬五千多的,但是實際的數字比較多!你有認同嗎?我沒有這個數字,我不知道你的數字在哪裡?我來講八萬五千多死的,是超過八萬五千多啦!這樣!你覺得這次的討議我會怎麼做? |
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因為很多事情,你都吃不贏,他也不一定第一時間幫你報告這麼多。 |
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你知不知道我們要討議外勞生多少孩子?我講的黑人就是這些啦!你說如果是討議外勞生多少孩子?這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這…這 |
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要發15萬至75萬,很多人。結果你知不知道外籍勞工他們做什麼?我告訴你,他們做帽子頭。包公圖。看我們台灣的帽子頭在旁邊。我們的帽子頭像你這個大工廠,沒錯嗎?你這裡要蓋40個工廠。我問你才把你派來,一輪兩千杯一個。 |
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臨時提案委員：謝龍介臨時提案委員：謝龍介 |
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你都沒時間了!我現在跟你說這個你有沒有事?你到底有信心了嗎?這我要認真來查緝啦齁,這我沒跟你說過。你現在要趕緊有重金嗎?沒跟你說過。報告委我們這個外移工的查緝、陶藝移工的查緝是移民署齁,會會同國安團隊一起來做。所以我們只要有接獲信號我們就會去。 |
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我現在就跟你說,港鐵啊,港鐵裡面就有這麼個沒新聞情的,土耳其的每天在那邊,還兼做報告啦!他是報告給他,不是來做港娘的!啊,他是給我們台灣的報告,我們這裡的土木報告的,我還要去把大包拿小包,你聽到沒有?我還要去開發表給他,你聽到沒有?他不用發表,不用新聞,去放我旁邊啊! |
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請委員齁,我們只要這種情形,一檢舉我們一定會去查緝。我跟妳講,妳的檢舉獎金多少?一個平均不到一萬,現在還有檢舉獎金嗎?討議外勞?這個可能要問移民署。因為今天妳不是移民署。平均啦齁。我跟妳講,妳懂,平均一個人得到的檢舉獎金,獎金要到一萬塊啦。齁。 |
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您在3日前大概從那兩千多萬處理啦。等於說一年沒一千個啦。一年沒一千個啦。早期的很多啦。 |
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您有在做,但是怎樣?是到底人力不足?人力不足沒有辦法去面對,還是政報銷聲,政案不足?我相信這樣啦,委員,今天你說的齁,我們合不搏陷,你就是大陣搏不來,但是我會答應你齁,我答應你就是說,我要查這個勞工...這後面還有治安問題嘛,還有醫療問題嘛,很多好來。 |
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我請問你,水庫在做工要洗乾淨嗎?他還沒乾淨,為什麼要洗乾淨?我們的動力存就對了 |
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因為你扣架腳,裡面有跟你約束你要怎麼救身份,有人堵罪你要怎麼處理嘛,還可以拿到這個架手這腳,他也沒有架腳,是怎麼他可以去洗嘴唇啊?阿做生一條生命,這是一個好處啦,他老爸在堅固,他都這樣照顧結果你落東坡,有去跟他落江嘛,你有針對這個特殊的,整個嘴唇都不敢洗,大家都不知道他怎麼堵死 |
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阿瓜有蒙嘴口的主任,他有簡單說,他也沒人在乎你的報告就不會出了嘛,他就這樣嗎?是,是。阿剛才說人沒有他,現在就是說你對這個特殊行業,特殊的工程發報,你怎麼那麼獨特的啊?你沒那麼獨特,你就跟警察說的,我是聽人家說的喔。 |
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沒有這回事喔?發言委員沒有這回事?沒有確實沒有這回事阿民進黨我發言也有很多人阿我跟妳說啦齁我不是跟妳說一定有啦齁屁阿免有這種的啦 |
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如果羅東堅渣還用政敵介入就對了。 不可能啦。我會說他一定不理會說你臨時這麼好、這麼高。若你特地這個補費,若還有這種情形,我是很不依偎的。若說羅東堅有這麼用政治的方式來做勞動檢查,我一定跟他要求說這一定是不行的。 |
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阿這連話討話講的齁,你講的這個施連移工的這個問題齁,其實是最大的,我們會請這個內建部、阿哥發布部、阿哥我們勞動部來做討,這個勞動監察就是講什麼勞動監察的問題啦,這的人就是我們都內行 |
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來行你就知道說要去找什麼人,拜託,那一定要有嗎?我知道啊,這有那個愛北的...來找謝龍介,拜託謝龍介,跟你們說要這間房子檢查什麼,我越拜託越死啦。沒拜託沒檢查,越拜託越檢查,要拼命啦。你懂嗎?這個蘇丹紅的東西,應該社會風波這麼多啦。 |
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我請教你這段時間你有要求施耀書說將對這些食品安全擴大去檢查嗎?有啊,這個檢查的問題就是若蘇丹紅的辣椒粉這件事是最終我們是發言...我知你有在做嘛,我現在是講將對其他的食品 |
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當然都有定期在檢查。一半比較緊張,這1個月來你有擴大去做嗎?委員報告,我們第一階段就是為進口6個月來,可能照出來,這要去做。我跟你說,我本來今天是要送你,想說你最後一半在這裡,我要拿一份報告給你,因為我不能在這裡說。 |
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應該在這個時候做筆記的責任。 |
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我同意我同意我聽到你如果有什麼檢查的單位有檢查出來有什麼問題你可以上火華上火華我會在這時隨便你上過這兩天如果出來我就隨便你上過因為這事啊檢查要健康啊是品安全這不可以特約可是我完全同意我完全同意謝謝你 |
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若有年輕人來請教你時,你有人要面帶照顧,不要再說他外行了。好,我尊重你的建議,就是你的建議啦。要接受啦。當然啦,當然。但是有需要跟他們說。我請教你,你這裏的補回收到,有人跟你報告說有新的補回收到。你現在這裏的補回收到。 |
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謝謝謝委員﹚龍介 |