| IVOD_ID |
150413 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150413 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-26T10:27:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-26T10:43:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f45bf982c29023eeb2aa1a46288c6a678ac1d636ef3e2fe8f8ba9b0039caa7a675fd09c7090c33d65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:25 - 10:43:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第6次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。
二、3月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、3月26日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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賴委員士葆：（10時27分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請行政院陳院長。 |
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主席：請陳院長備詢。 |
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陳院長建仁：賴委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長早。請教陳院長，我剛剛看到媒體有一些報導，說你對於馬英九總統4月1日要到大陸去有一些看法…… |
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陳院長建仁：我尊重他個人的決定。 |
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賴委員士葆：那麼你的看法是尊重、沒有評論，還是看到他去覺得more than happy。 |
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陳院長建仁：我想我尊重他個人的選擇，而且他如果在中國時需要一些安全的保障，政府一定會來提供周全的保護。但我也希望馬前總統，因為他是我們的前總統，所以對於國人有關臺灣主權、自由、民主相關價值的期待，也希望能夠符合國人的盼望。 |
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賴委員士葆：你看一下他去年就去了。 |
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陳院長建仁：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：他去年在大陸每到一個地方都有大批的大陸媒體，每天都大幅報導，他去那裡講什麼？講中華民國；講什麼？講他是中華民國的總統；講什麼？講中華民國112年，去年他在大陸的時候，到處講中華民國，到處說中華民國，到處說我們的憲法，這就是你剛剛有點質疑的主權方面的議題，他去年展現無遺，你Google一下、讀一讀、找一下，清清楚楚。而且院長，不要忘了，所有最近的民調，如台灣民意基金會，老實講大家認為它是中間偏綠或是算中間，或是淺綠，whatever，它所做的民調將近八成的臺灣人民希望兩岸多交流…… |
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陳院長建仁：我們也是希望兩岸交流。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩岸多交流可以遠離戰爭，在現在兩岸兵凶戰危這麼緊張的時候，老實講有人願意去大陸跟大陸談，而且是以前總統這樣的高度。他是以前總統的高度去跟大陸談，當然是一個文化之旅、教育之旅、祭祖之旅，但也是一個和平對話之旅，他替臺灣人民……老實講，這件事情做出來，如果真的能夠促進第二次的馬習會，如果能夠做到大陸不否認我們的治權，我們也不否認它的治權，就是兩岸互不否認治權，那就是很大的突破，這個部分你要很感謝他喔！ |
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陳院長建仁：但是上次他到大陸的時候，中國方面的官方一向不承認他是中華民國的總統，雖然他自己說是，所以我想我們一定要在兩岸健康有序的交流上做不斷的努力，有任何這方面的努力，我們當然…… |
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賴委員士葆：如果有二次馬習會，你樂見嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我想這是一個假設性的問題，沒有辦法回答。 |
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賴委員士葆：機率很高喔！機率非常高，就我掌握的訊息，機率非常高喔！你的看法怎麼樣？酸酸的，還是happy的，還是沒有表情的？ |
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陳院長建仁：我希望如果有這樣一個機會的話，萬一有這樣一個機會的話，他能夠在習先生的面前來主張臺灣是一個主權獨立的國家，而且來捍衛臺灣的自由民主。 |
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賴委員士葆：主權問題？你還扯主權問題，他在去年的時候已經講得很清楚了，根據憲法來處理主權啊！主權問題的話，老實講…… |
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陳院長建仁：對，所以他應該講清楚。 |
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賴委員士葆：老實講…… |
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陳院長建仁：他講清楚。 |
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賴委員士葆：以現在來講，更應該去太平島宣示主權啊！是不是？結果…… |
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陳院長建仁：本來太平島就是臺灣的，要不我們怎麼來建港呢？對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：結果…… |
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陳院長建仁：所以本來就是，是你不承認它的主權。 |
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賴委員士葆：主席，主持一下，好不好？我沒有讓他講話，他不要講話，好不好？你尊重我、你尊重我、你尊重我。 |
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陳院長建仁：請、請。 |
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賴委員士葆：太平島，其實我們都很清楚，碼頭花了17億，今天啟用典禮，低調啊！總統不敢去，這麼好的機會，總統不敢去，宣揚主權這時候該去啊！大家都很清楚，蔡英文總統不去就是因為美國的壓力，美國2016年也給馬英九總統很大的壓力，叫他不要去，馬英九總統去了，馬英九頂得住美國的壓力，蔡英文頂不住美國的壓力，這個東西就很清楚、看得到，你在這裡講主權、主權，真的要捍衛主權又不敢，對不對？喔！那裡戰雲密布喔！不要去，危險喔！如果這樣的話，萬一兩岸打仗起來了，你人在國外，啊喲！臺灣危險了，現在打仗了，我不要回來。 |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：人民會瞧得起嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：人民瞧不起的啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，我不要你回答，你先不要回答。我就告訴你，不要去講這個東西，對要給人家看、做給人家看，原來綠營有多少人圍剿馬英九，說他去大陸敢講中華民國嗎？馬英九講給你聽。中華民國，馬英九講給你聽。中華民國總統，馬英九講給你聽，還有中華民國112年。蔡英文呢？太平島的事件，他就是chicken，不敢去，頂不住美國的壓力。這個時間都扯不完了，因為我時間有限。 |
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第二點，我跟你講勞動節，你上一次回答委員的一個提問，請部長可以上來。 |
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主席：請勞動部許部長。 |
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賴委員士葆：是不是確定今年五一勞動節所有人都可以放假？所有的工作人員都可以放假，確定了嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：你要我回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：對。 |
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陳院長建仁：你剛才都一直不給我回答。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，現在可以回答了，請。 |
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陳院長建仁：我覺得委員如果問政的時候，該給我回答的機會卻沒有，我覺得對我相當的不公平，尤其是…… |
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賴委員士葆：不會啊！怎麼不公平，我時間有限啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：尤其是太平島本來就是中華民國的領土，所以…… |
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賴委員士葆：如果給我一個半小時，我就讓你講得痛快，只給我15分鐘而已啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：除非你否定太平島是中華民國的國土，要不的話，你為什麼要去做任何的demonstration呢？所以這完全不必要，我不認同你的看法。至於五一勞動節放假的事情…… |
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賴委員士葆：我也不認同你的看法。 |
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陳院長建仁：我不應該講話嗎？我該不該講？ |
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賴委員士葆：你講。 |
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陳院長建仁：五一勞動節放假的情形，我們已經跨部會有開過會議，現在在跟民間、跟企業的團體來做相關的溝通，我們也希望能夠儘早來做一個結論。 |
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賴委員士葆：今年5月1日有希望全國放假一天嗎？ |
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陳院長建仁：還在溝通當中，我們當然是…… |
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賴委員士葆：往放假方向走，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：我們再溝通，看看各界的想法，因為這裡面…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們都很高興啊，對不對？ |
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陳院長建仁：沒有，其實委員…… |
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賴委員士葆：我看民調有六成的人贊成。 |
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陳院長建仁：對，當然，我也知道，可是現在有一些民間不同的職業團體，他們…… |
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賴委員士葆：哪一些團體反對？ |
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陳院長建仁：對，有一些職業團體還需要溝通。 |
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賴委員士葆：哪一些團體？比如說？ |
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陳院長建仁：這個…… |
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賴委員士葆：哪一些團體反對？ |
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陳院長建仁：現在還在溝通。 |
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賴委員士葆：哪一些團體還在溝通？ |
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陳院長建仁：還在溝通當中。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不說，只這樣…… |
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陳院長建仁：就還在溝通，你要我說…… |
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賴委員士葆：我可不可以跟你講，我做一個小結論？5月1日我們可以樂觀期待全國放假，我這樣statement可以嗎？期待、期待、期待！ |
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陳院長建仁：我們溝通有成果會跟各位報告。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候會有成果？ |
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陳院長建仁：當然一定是在最近的時間內。 |
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賴委員士葆：最近時間，多近？兩個禮拜？ |
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陳院長建仁：差不多。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。再來，勞保年金改革，你還記得有一個人，知名度很高的人跟你談過勞保的年金改革，那個人叫做沈富雄，還記得吧？ |
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陳院長建仁：記得，在總統府。 |
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賴委員士葆：2017年在總統府。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：那時候外面的人在抗議，這是他親口跟我講的，你們兩個在那裡談，勞保年金沈富雄說年金改革的罩門在勞保，院長曾跟沈富雄說勞保也要一起改革，這是你講的嘛？ |
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陳院長建仁：對，沒有錯。 |
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賴委員士葆：你講的喔！結果勞保年金到現在完全沒有改，潛藏負債超過12兆，有人講18兆，有人講16兆，昨天我在衛環委員會請教許部長，他親口講的，說到現在為止政府怕勞保破產，補貼了超過2,600億，對吧？ |
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許部長銘春：對。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：對喔！為了讓它不要倒就補貼，一般估算如果沒有這樣補貼，2028年就會倒。院長，你跟我們講說年金沒有改的話，就沒有辦法領得到什麼之類的，勞保你沒有改，由政府不斷地補貼，然後對公教人員來講的話，你是完全不同的標準，請問你知不知道公教人員年金改革下來，到現在已經第七年了，所得替代率一直降低、一直降低，要從75%降到60%，一直降低、一直降低，已經快要沒有辦法生活了，結果有些委員提出來是不是可以stop here？你還講風涼話，說這不行啦！這個不行等等，你知不知道軍公教人員年金砍下來，一年省多少錢？ |
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陳院長建仁：到現在為止…… |
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賴委員士葆：一年多少？ |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答了嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：回答，請。 |
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陳院長建仁：當時在軍公教的年金改革…… |
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賴委員士葆：你回答我的問題就好了，一年可以省多少錢？ |
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陳院長建仁：好，現在在年金改革的這個過程當中，就是把省下來的錢放入基金，到現在為止大概省下了2,000億，所以我們現在…… |
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賴委員士葆：幾年？幾年省2,000億？ |
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陳院長建仁：6到7年的時間。 |
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賴委員士葆：對嘛！1年就是300億左右，1年省300億，其實不是說要怎麼樣、怎麼樣，我只是要challenge。 |
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陳院長建仁：但是這樣才可以領得長長久久，領到老，世世代代領得到啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：你同一個概念，勞保…… |
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陳院長建仁：對於現職的跟已經退休的人是合理的啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我請問你，院長，現在造成公務人員不願退休，將近36%，就是退休率比以前減少36%。 |
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陳院長建仁：我們謝謝他們願意留下來繼續服務。 |
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賴委員士葆：新的人進不來，老的不退，新的進不來。 |
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陳院長建仁：這一些公務人員都是很有經驗，而且對國家都很認真的效忠，他們願意留下來多做幾年，我們感謝他，實在要給他最高的敬意，這樣好的公務人員應該要讓他繼續努力。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長，同樣的概念，勞保為什麼沒有改呢？勞保你說要改，到現在為止，原地踏地，勞保都沒動，如果你…… |
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陳院長建仁：勞保改革…… |
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賴委員士葆：勞保這樣動…… |
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陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：好，回答一下。 |
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陳院長建仁：當時年金改革，勞保是也是其中之一，我們也已經提出了勞保改革的方案，可是那個時候勞資雙方都還沒有定論，而當時有兩件事情很重要，也是當時勞保改革時的重點。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，不必講以前啦！院長，stop、stop。 |
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陳院長建仁：第一個，政府負最後的給付責任。第二個，政府要撥補，這些東西我們都有做到。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長，可以了，因為我時間已經快到了，這個話題要把你打住，我就是告訴你，很簡單，你們的 mindset、你們的mentality，就是因為你們認為、民進黨政府認為軍公教大部分不是它的票，然後擁抱勞工…… |
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陳院長建仁：錯誤，我們感謝所有軍公教人員對國家的服務，然後給他最高的謝意跟敬意。 |
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賴委員士葆：好了，stop，停了。 |
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來，最後一題，請衛福部長上來，許部長可以下去了。有人跟我檢舉，聽好喔！兩位長官，我們現在自由貿易港區裡面一堆電子煙、一堆加熱菸放在那裡，進來了，有人跟我檢舉，我一看數字嚇一跳，電子煙在臺北關自貿區裡面有1,826 piece，加熱煙有6,155千支，加熱煙的零組件將近26.4萬個set，簡單來講，有二十七萬多這麼多的加熱煙。請問衛福部長，我想他比較熟，我不要為難院長，我就請教部長，它是不是禁止進來，是不是？ |
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薛部長瑞元：目前是。 |
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賴委員士葆：是！那是不是違禁品？ |
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薛部長瑞元：我是不太清楚自貿區條例所定違禁品的定義…… |
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賴委員士葆：禁止進來不叫違禁品，那叫什麼？你告訴我，對不對？自由貿易港區條例第十五條規定，違禁品不可以進自貿區，你知道這裡有多少嗎？院長，你看好喔！全國反菸團體都在看喔！3億根香菸的量在自由貿易港區裡面已經放超過一年了，放在那裡啊！幹什麼？準備以後你可以了就進來臺灣或者出去，就轉運一下到外國去，但是明明白白違反了自由貿易港區第十五條，違禁品不可以進來，剛才部長講得很清楚喔！它是禁止進來的違禁品，請你去查一下，為什麼可以進來？可不可以？ |
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院長，拜託你，因為我問了衛福部、交通部、財政部，這三個部會彼此踢皮球，因為主管單位是交通部，自由貿易港區是交通部主管的；但是違禁品的認定，它認為是財政部規定；財政部說根據衛福部；衛福部部長在這裡說不可以啊！進來了，進來了，危害我們的健康啊！你知道那個一顆煙彈等於幾包菸啊？ |
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薛部長瑞元：現在是在自貿區嘛！並沒有所謂進來…… |
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賴委員士葆：就不行啊！違禁品，我已經講了…… |
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薛部長瑞元：在那邊就擋下來了。 |
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賴委員士葆：自貿港區第十五條規定在那裡，就不可以進到自貿港區！ |
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主席：謝謝賴委員士葆的質詢，謝謝陳院長的備詢。 |
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報告院會，現在我們休息5分鐘，休息之後繼續進行質詢，現在休息。 |
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休息（10時43分） |
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繼續開會（10時48分） |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 詢答完畢─ |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進,有請行政院陳院長來請陳院長備選賴委員早你早 |
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我請教陳院長,現在我剛看到媒體有一些報導說你對於馬英九前總統4月1號要到大陸去,你的一些看法,那麼你的看法是尊重沒有評論還是說more than happy看到這樣他去? |
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我想我尊重他個人的選擇而且他如果需要在中國的時候需要有一些安全的保障政府一定會來提供相權的保護但是我也希望馬前總統因為他是我們的前總統所以對於國人在有關於臺灣的主權自由民主的這些價值的這個期待也能夠符合我們國人的盼望。 |
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你看一下他去年就去了他去年在大陸每到一個地方都大批的大陸媒體每天的大幅報導他去那裡講什麼講中華民國講什麼他是中華民國的總統講什麼講中華民國112年去年的時候他到處在大陸的時候到處講中華民國到處 |
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說中華民國到處說我們的憲法這就是你剛剛說的有一點質疑的主權東西他其實在去年展現無遺啊你讀一讀把google一下把他找一下清清楚楚而且不要忘了院長所有的民調最近的民調台灣民力基金會比較老實講大家認為他中間偏綠吧或者說中間也好或者是淺綠whatever |
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將近八成的臺灣人民希望兩岸交流,多交流。我們也是希望兩岸交流。可以遠離戰爭。在現在兩岸兵兇戰偽的時候,這麼緊張的時候,老實講,有人願意去大陸跟大陸談,而且是這麼高度的前總統。他是以前總統的高度去跟大陸談。 |
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他當然是一個文化之旅教育之旅祭祖之旅但是也是一個和平對話之旅他替台灣人民老實講這件事情做出來如果真的能夠促進第二次的馬戲會如果能夠做到 |
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說大陸不否認我們的自權我們也不否認他的自權就兩岸互不否認自權那就是很大突破這個東西你要很感謝他喔 |
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但是上次到大陸去的時候他到大陸去的時候在中國方面的官方一向不承認他是中華民國的總統雖然他自己說是啦所以我想對我們一定要在兩岸的健康有序的這個交流上做不斷的努力那有任何這方面的努力我們當然如果有奧次馬戲會你樂見嗎 |
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我想這是一個假設性的問題沒有辦法回答機率很高喔機率非常高喔就我掌握的信息機率非常高喔你的看法怎麼樣酸酸的還是happy的還是 |
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我希望如果有這樣的一個機會的話萬一有這樣的一個機會的話他能夠在習先生的面前來主張臺灣是一個主權獨立的國家而且來捍衛臺灣的自由民主主權問題你要測主權問題他在去年的時候已經講得很清楚啦根據憲法來處理主權啦主權問題的話老實講老實講太平島現在來講 |
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低調啊! |
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總統不敢去啊!這麼好的機會總統不敢去!宣揚主權這時候該去啊! |
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大家都很清楚蔡英文總統不去就是因為美國的壓力美國2016年也給馬英九總統很大的壓力叫他不要去馬英九總統去了馬英九頂得住美國的壓力蔡英文頂不住美國的壓力這個東西就很清楚看得到你在這裡講主權主權真的韓國主權就不敢那裡佔領秘部喔不要去喔不一樣喔 |
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如果這樣說,萬一兩岸打仗起來了,你人在國外了,台灣危險了,現在打仗了,我不要回來。我可以回答嗎?我可以回答嗎?我可以回答嗎?沒有,我不要你回答,你先不要回答。我就告訴你,不要去講這個東西,給人家看,說給人家看。 |
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原來綠營的人,多少人圍剿馬英九,所以說大陸去敢講中華民國嗎?馬英九講給你聽,中華民國,馬英九講給你聽,中華民國總統,馬英九講給你聽,中華民國一輩一十二年。蔡英文勒,太平島的世界,他就是chicken,不敢去啊,頂不住美國的壓力,來! |
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第二題我跟你講,那個勞動節你上一次回答委員的一個提問,請那個部長可以起來。是不是確定今年五一勞動節所有人都可以封假?所有的工作人員都可以封假?確定了嗎?你要我回答嗎?你剛才都一直不給我回答。現在可以回答了。 |
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我覺得委員如果問這個時候呢該給我回答的機會沒有我是覺得對我相當的不公平尤其是太平島本來就是中華民國的領土所以除非你否定太平島是不是中華民國國土要不的話你為什麼要去做任何的demonstration呢所以這完全不必要我不認同你的看法五一勞動節這個放假的事情 |
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我應該講話嗎?我該不該講?五一勞動節放假的情形我們已經跟跨部會有開過會議那現在呢在跟民間跟企業的團體來做相關的溝通我們也希望能夠盡早的來做一個結論今年五月一號有希望全國放假一天嗎?還在溝通當中我們當然是往放假方向走吧對不對我們在溝通看看各界的想法因為這裡面很高興啊 |
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哪一些團體還在溝通? |
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賴士葆 |
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老保年金改革你還記得有一個人知名度很高的人跟你談過老保的年金改革那個人叫做沈富雄還記得嗎?嗯記得在總統府2017年在總統府那時候外面的人在抗議這是他親口跟我講的你們兩個在那裡談老保年金沈富雄說年金改革的罩門在老保 |
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院長曾跟他說就是沈副總老闆也要一起改革這是你講的嗎?對沒有錯你講的齁來結果老闆年輕到現在完全沒有改革 |
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簽債賦到超過12兆,有人講18兆,有人講16兆。昨天我在問委員會請教我們的許部長,你親口講的,說到現在為止政府補貼勞保,怕他破產,補貼了超過2600億,對吧? |
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對的齁所以讓他不要去倒因為一般估算如果沒有這樣補貼2028年就要倒所以院長你跟我們講的說年金沒有改的話就沒有辦法領得到啊什麼之類老婆你沒有改啊你有政府不斷的補貼然後對公教人員來講的話你是完全不同的一個標準 |
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所以公教人員到現在請問你知不知道公教人員年金改革下來到現在已經第7年了所得替代率一直降低一直降低要從75%降到60%一直降低一直降低已經快沒辦法生活了結果人家有些委員提出來是不是可以stop here你還講紅蓮話啊這不行啊這不行啊等等你知不知道公教人員軍公教了齁年金砍下來一年省多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
636.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
663.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
到現在為止我可以回答了嗎?當時在軍公教的年金改革你回答我問題就好了一年可以省多少錢?現在在年金改革的這個過程當中就是把要省下來的錢放入基金到現在為止大概省下了兩千億所以我們現在確實兩千億六到七年的時間一年就是三百億左右嘛一年省三百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
664.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
684.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
一年省300億,其實不是說要怎麼樣怎麼樣,我只是要challenge。但是這樣才可以領得長長久久,領到老啊,世世代代領得到啊。對於現職的跟已經退休的人是合理的啊。現在造成是公務人員不願意退休。 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
691.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
711.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們謝謝他們願意留下來繼續服務在我們這一些公務人員都是很有經驗而且對國家都很認真的效忠他們願意留下來多做幾年我們感謝他實在是給他最高的敬意我們這樣好的公務人員應該讓他繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
715.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
717.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
老闆你想要改,發言委員原地談不到,老闆都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
720.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
722.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
委員長可以了齁因為我時間已經快到了齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
749.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
776.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我這個話題要幫你打住我就是告訴你很簡單你們的Mindset你們的Mentality就是因為你們認為民進黨政府認為軍公教大部分不是他的票錯誤我們感謝所有軍公教人員對國家的服務然後給他最高的謝意跟敬意來最後一題我們請衛生部長也上來齁那個許部長可以下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
779.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
804.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
有人跟我檢舉聽好兩位長官我們現在啊自由貿易港區裡面一堆電子煙一堆加熱煙都在那裡進來了有人跟我檢舉啊我數數自己看嚇一跳電子煙在台北關自貿區裡面有1826px加熱煙有6155px |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
809.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
838.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
前值加熱菸的零組件將近26.4萬個set簡單來講就加熱菸有27萬多這麼多的加熱菸這兩個請問衛福部長我想他比較熟了我就我不要為難院長我就請教部長他是不是禁止進來是不是不免錢是是那是不是我會禁閉 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
841.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
865.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我是不太清楚我們那個自貿區條例所定的違禁品的定義。你告訴我,對不對,自由貿易港區條例第15條,違禁品不可以進自貿區。你知道這裡有多少嗎?院長你看喔,全國反聯團體都在看喔。三億根的相應的量在自由貿易港區裡面。 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
867.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
869.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
為什麼可以進來?可不可以院長拜託你因為我問了衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
898.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
898.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
委員：賴士葆 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
938.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
946.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
謝謝賴委員、賴士葆的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備刑。報告院會,現在我們休息5分鐘。休息之後繼續 |