| IVOD_ID |
150405 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150405 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-25T13:13:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-25T13:23:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b2b855ee35a005b1041c739c6c91e5ce5559e54a1be29d3f8ba9b0039caa7a62c430e39f0c2bc0e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:13:46 - 13:23:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長就「事業單位應加強安全衛生管理制度、作業流程及必要教育訓練，並落實職場防災管理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案(含報告事項20案及討論事項1案)。
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答】） |
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楊委員曜：（13時13分）謝謝主席。主席請一下許部長。 |
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主席：請許部長。 |
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許部長銘春：楊委員好。 |
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楊委員曜：部長好。部長，對於發生職災的勞工而言，最重要的其實還是如何輔助他能重返職場，這樣他才能有穩定的經濟收入。 |
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許部長銘春：是。 |
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楊委員曜：根據我們職災保險及保護法的規定，事業單位假如僱用職災勞工可以申請補助。 |
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許部長銘春：是。 |
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楊委員曜：但是據職安署提供去（2023）年的資料，我們補助的件數只有16件，而勞保局這邊的資料，申請職災給付的大概有9萬件，其實兩者間的落差還蠻大的，這是因為補助的門檻過高或是誘因太低？ |
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許部長銘春：跟委員說明一下，發生職災的勞工除有法定事由，否則雇主是不能因為他發生職災就把他解雇，所以有很多職災的勞工是在身體恢復到一定的狀況…… |
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楊委員曜：他沒有重返職場的問題？ |
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許部長銘春：他就再回到原來的工作崗位。另一種可能是因為失能，短時間或一段時間無法繼續工作，所以就只能離開。如果日後他的身體狀況改善，可以重返職場，新的雇主也願意僱用他，我們會給予這個雇主獎勵，所以這兩個數據可能會有不一樣。 |
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楊委員曜：對，我知道，但是這個落差還蠻大的，9萬件與16件，因為我這邊沒有職安署的相關資料，到底有哪一些……剛剛部長講的沒有錯，發生職災不見得就會馬上離開職場，也就沒有重返的問題。 |
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許部長銘春：是。 |
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楊委員曜：這個我是認同的，只是到底有多少是申請卻沒通過的？因為職災的總案件數是9萬，申請補助的只有16件，這個落差真的蠻大的。 |
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許部長銘春：詳細的資料，在這9萬件裡面…… |
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楊委員曜：有多少人離開職場後，有事業單位願意再僱用，提出申請卻沒有通過，把這部分的資料整理好再提供給我。 |
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許部長銘春：好。 |
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楊委員曜：我們從監察院的調查報告來看，勞動部提供職災勞工職務再設計服務的量偏低，根據職安署的數據，2023年補助雇主申請職災勞工職務再設計的有13人，勞發署也是13人，就是具有勞工身分的。監察院認為你們的職務再設計服務量能偏低，原因是什麼？ |
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許部長銘春：報告委員，其實我們對職災勞工有兩個補助，一個是器具的補助…… |
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楊委員曜：對，我知道、我知道。 |
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許部長銘春：器具的補助很多，現在就是…… |
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楊委員曜：我現在問的是職務再設計。 |
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許部長銘春：職務再設計的部分的確是件數很少，這個部分…… |
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楊委員曜：這個可能也牽涉到事業單位的意願。 |
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許部長銘春：有些事業單位也未必申請補助啊！有時候可能是職務調整，譬如我上次去訪視一家公司，它有一位原本可能是線上作業員的職災勞工，在發生了職災之後，它並沒有將勞工資遣、也沒有終止僱用，而是讓他去做類似園藝之類比較輕鬆的工作，所以失能的職災勞工也能透過這種職務調整重返職場繼續工作。 |
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楊委員曜：我知道職務調整，但我現在是針對職務再設計服務量能偏低的部分，職安署有辦法…… |
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許部長銘春：我們再檢討一下，是不是宣傳…… |
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楊委員曜：好。 |
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許部長銘春：因為這是新的災保法中的新措施，是不是很多人不曉得，當然也就不知道可以申請，第一個，我們檢討原因；第二個，也加強宣傳，讓有需要的人，無論是透過職安署或是從發展署這邊的失能輔具申請，真的都能獲得照顧。 |
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楊委員曜：部長，假如事業單位的雇主能夠調整職務，那就沒有職務再設計的問題，當然對於勞工的保障是最好，假如沒有其他適當的職缺可以做調整，理論上這個申請的服務量光看數據就13個，確實是有一點低，至於原因到底在哪裡，怎麼改進、怎麼研議改善，請部裡面跟署裡面再做一下研究，好不好？ |
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許部長銘春：好。 |
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楊委員曜：還有就是勞動部要怎麼提升事業單位聘僱職災勞工的意願，因為在職災保險及保護法第六十七條到第六十九條有關職災勞工重返職場的補貼，包含剛剛部長講過的補助設施的補助、職能復健的津貼、事業單位的僱用補助等等。可是就申請的狀況來看，其實聘僱單位聘僱職災勞工的意願還是不高，假如聘僱的意願不高，職災後復健完的勞工要再投入職場就有困難，能否請部長在這邊發表一下，你覺得要如何提升職災勞工的聘僱？ |
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許部長銘春：跟委員報告，職災勞工失能的部分，我們在去年10月就已經列為我們就服法第二十四條的特定對象，我們針對這些職災勞工，譬如對雇主增加誘因，有僱用獎助讓他願意聘用，並且也加強做宣導，包括媒合和勞工有必要的職業訓練，我們都會提供相關免費的協助，讓他能夠順利地重返職場，這個我們都會再加強。 |
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楊委員曜：對，甚至於包括跨部會的減稅或者是相關的配套，其實我覺得，災後職工重返職場對於一個家庭的安定是很重要的，請部長這邊除了部裡面可以做的以外，跨部會怎麼協調整合，也幫災後的職工做一定的努力，好不好？ |
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許部長銘春：好。 |
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楊委員曜：謝謝部長、謝謝主席。 |
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許部長銘春：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝楊曜委員。 |
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本次會議詢答全部結束。委員徐巧芯、葉元之所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報。 |
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現在作以下決定跟決議：報告及詢答完畢，委員質詢未及答復或請補充資料者，請相關機關於兩週內以書面答復，委員另要求期限者，從其所定。 |
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盧縣一 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請勞動部部長就「事業單位應加強安全衛生管理制度、作業流程及必要教育訓練，並落實
職場防災管理」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關勞動
部主管預算凍結案21案（含報告事項20案及討論事項1案） |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下許部長請許部長務長好 |
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部長我們對於職災的勞工來講最重要的其實還是怎麼輔助他能夠重新重返職場那這樣子的話他才能夠有穩定的經濟收入根據我們職災保險跟保護法的規定事業單位繳僱用職災勞工可以申請申請補助的 |
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可是執安署提供的2023的資料呢就去年的資料我們補助的件數只有16件那勞保局這邊的資料是這樣子申請職災給付的有大概9萬件那其實兩個的落差還蠻大的 |
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是因為補助的門檻過高還是誘因太低?跟委員說明一下因為發生職在勞工除非有法定事由否則 |
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顧主是不能因為他發生職災就把他解雇所以很多職災的勞工他是在身體恢復到他沒有重返職場的問題他就再回到原來工作崗位那有一種是可能因為他失能可能他沒有辦法短時間或一段時間沒辦法繼續工作他可能就離開那離開這個部分當然如果他日後 |
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整個這個他生育狀況改善之後可以重返職場那僱主願意僱用他新的僱主我們會對這個僱主有獎勵所以這兩個數據可能就是會有不一樣對我知道我知道我說我說落差還蠻大的就是9萬跟16件那我這邊因為沒有沒有職安署的相關的的 |
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資料所以說到底有哪一些部長剛剛講的沒有錯就是有職災不見得就是會馬上離開職場也就沒有重返的問題這個我是認同的只是說 |
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我們到底有多少是有多少是申請可是沒有過的或者是 因為我覺得16件就是說 職災的總案件數是9萬 |
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申請補助的只有16件這個落差滿大有多少是離開職場有事業單位願意來申請沒有過的這個我們再整理把資料整理給我一下一樣是我們從監察院的調查報告 |
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來看就是勞動部提供職災勞工的職務再設計服務的量偏低那這個我這邊有的數據是這樣子這個是職安署給的數據是2023年補助僱主申請職災勞工職務再設計的是13人 |
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那勞發署勞發署的的就是勞發署也是13人就是具有勞工身份的齁這個這個監察院給你們的的植物塞車機的服務量能偏低原因是什麼 |
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那個報告委員其實我們對職災勞工有兩個補助一個是器具的補助對我知道器具補助那個很多他大概就是然後現在就是那個從這個我現在問的是植物再設計植物再設計的這個部分的確是件數很少這個部分 |
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這個可能也牽扯到事業單位的主管意願比如說事業單位他也未必申請補助他有時候就是說他職務調整比如說像我上次去訪視一個公司那他有一位職在勞工他本來是可能是線上的作業員可是他發生職在他也沒有給他資錢也沒有給他那個中職顧問他就請他去做原意 |
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負責其他的工作所以他這種職務調整其實也是對職災或者這些私人勞工他重返職場以後透過職務調整讓他能夠繼續工作我知道我的意思是說職務調整這個我知道我現在是針對說職務的再設計服務量能偏低的部分 |
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對,我們再檢討一下,看是不是宣傳部,因為這個是我們新的災保法裡面新的措施是不是很多人不曉得,不知道來申請所以我想第一個我們檢討原因,那第二個就是也加強宣傳就是說讓有需要的人,那不管他是像透過展署這邊或者是從我們發展署這邊的私人的那個輔具的 |
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這個申請都能夠讓他們真的可以照顧一直可以照顧到他們?部長應該是這樣子就是說假如說事業單位的就是僱主能夠調整職務那就沒有職務在設計的問題那當然是對於勞工的保障是最好那假如說沒有其他適當的職缺可以做調整那理論上應該是就是 |
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這個申請的服務量能確實光看數據就13個確實是有一點低至於原因到底在哪裡跟怎麼改進怎麼研議改善這個警部裡面跟署裡面這邊再做一下研究好不好 |
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還有就是勞動部要怎麼提升事業單位來聘僱職災勞工的意願因為我們在職災保險跟保護法裡面67到69條大概有勞動部有關職災勞工重返職場的補貼大概就包含剛剛部長講過的 |
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補助設施的補助職能復建的津貼事業單位的雇用補助等等而就申請的狀況來看其實聘務單位 |
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就是聘僱職災勞工的意願還是不高那這個那假如說聘僱的意願不高呢災後復建完的勞工要再投入職場就會有困難那這個是不是也可以請部長在這邊發表一下你覺得怎麼如何提升 |
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致災勞工的聘僱是跟委員報告這致災勞工這個就是失能的這部分我們在去年10月已經把列為我們救福法就是24條的特定對象所以我們針對這些致災勞工我們會 |
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例如指揮會對僱主增加誘因、僱用講座讓他願意來聘用、加強做宣導包括媒合、包括勞工有必要的職業訓練我們都會提供相關的免費協助讓他能夠順利重返職場,這個我們都會再加強 |
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甚至於包括跨部會的減稅或者是相關的配套其實我覺得因為災後職工重返職場對於一個家庭的安定 |
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是很重要的請部長這邊也除了部裡面可以做的以外跨部會怎麼協調整合也幫災後的職工做一定的努力好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |