| IVOD_ID |
150371 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150371 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-25T11:52:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-25T12:06:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b2b855ee35a005b710de70a7f3587168506765f624e20d0f8ba9b0039caa7a6bcaba41c2d3d6ba95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:14 - 12:06:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、國家通訊傳播委員會、法務部、內政部、數位發展部就「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領1.5版」預算執行情形及成效進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月25日及27日二天一次會】） |
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羅委員明才：（11時52分）主席、各位委員、出列席官員大家好。主席，可否請朱澤民主計長？然後第二階段再請黃天牧主委、國家通訊委員會翁副主委、法務部黃次長、警政署李副署長及數發部的李政次？首先先請主計長。 |
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主席：請主計長。 |
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朱主計長澤民：委員好。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長你好。現在人民感覺都很痛苦，一個就是萬物齊漲，電價飆漲，為什麼政府要在這個關鍵時刻還帶頭來漲價？主計長，有沒有什麼方法可以讓電價不要漲？就像肝和胃有連帶關係，你電價一漲，哇！那不得了！全面性地崩潰、全面性地大漲，到時候政府的威信，還有人民對政府的期待，如果因為生活不下去，萬物飆漲，那這個過錯主計長要扛嗎？ |
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朱主計長澤民：委員的敘述跟實際的資料有一點出入，像我們CPI 111年是上升2.95%，去年是上升2.45%，有在下跌。央行最近的估計是2.16%，所以它的漲幅是在往下的，跟委員報告一下。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長，你的意思就是說電價漲…… |
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朱主計長澤民：它是在往下。 |
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羅委員明才：所以物價不會漲？還是沒什麼關係，不痛不癢？ |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有啦！電價漲，物價當然會漲，因為它有一定的權數，民生用電的權數是占1.2個百分點，所以電價漲，全部都有影響，可是我們一方面也要考慮到台電的成本。 |
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羅委員明才：不是，台電是你們應該要檢討的，今年你又要補助它多少？過去累計的補助已經4,000億元了，我請問主計長…… |
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朱主計長澤民：今年是補…… |
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羅委員明才：主計長，你快要離開了，人將要離去…… |
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朱主計長澤民：我還沒有要離開，你就說我要離開了，讓我很鬱卒。 |
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羅委員明才：不是，你不是說你考慮不做了嗎？人將離開，其言必善。 |
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朱主計長澤民：那個是要死亡了才會這麼講。 |
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羅委員明才：沒有，我是說職務上。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我不會死亡，我會…… |
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羅委員明才：好，你繼續生存。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我有做身體檢查，身體很好，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：所以你在這個時間更應該其言以善，站在為人民爭取福利的立場，你要多講一些好的事情，為人民來把關嘛！如果這一次台電開始飆漲，那我問你，你明年要不要補助？後年呢？大後年怎麼辦？年年都補助，出的還是老百姓的納稅錢啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：因為要反映電價的成本，如果不反映成本的話，台電的虧損是很嚴重的，如果台電的淨值變成負的，按照公司法，它必須解散，那個是很…… |
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羅委員明才：那你執政黨就要負起責任嘛！你一直補助，其實我反對啦！為什麼要拿我的血汗錢去補助台電？ |
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朱主計長澤民：委員反對補助的話，電價就應該要上漲啊！ |
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羅委員明才：我們間接來懲罰人民，請問主計長，人民犯了什麼錯？ |
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朱主計長澤民：人民沒有犯錯。 |
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羅委員明才：每次都要從人民身上揩油，那你說…… |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有揩油，跟其他國家比較，我們電費的上漲是比較低的，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：電價比較低，新加坡有沒有漲？ |
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朱主計長澤民：有！ |
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羅委員明才：日本有沒有漲？ |
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朱主計長澤民：有！比我們高。 |
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羅委員明才：大家都漲，新加坡的薪水已經漲2、3倍了，請問臺灣人民的薪水漲多少？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我們的基本工資跟公務人員都有調薪帶動上漲，而且我們的經濟成長率最近幾年是比新加坡高的。 |
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羅委員明才：所以主計長，你覺得臺灣民眾薪水上漲，你的說法是說臺灣老百姓都同意嗎？開心嗎？ |
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朱主計長澤民：每個人都不會對自己的薪水同意的。 |
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羅委員明才：對，看到臺灣跟新加坡相比，臺灣人民的心裡是在淌血的啊！為什麼人家薪水漲了2、3倍，然後你把電價拿A跟B胡亂湊，湊來湊去，「竹篙鬥菜刀」。 |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，根據最近公布的世界幸福指數，臺灣還在滿前面的。 |
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羅委員明才：有多幸福？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我要去查一下資料。 |
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羅委員明才：那你就不要破壞幸福的原狀啊！所有的物價飆漲了以後，臺灣的痛苦指數飆升，臺灣人民就變得不幸福了啊！ |
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朱主計長澤民：的確，通膨加上失業率會讓痛苦指數增加，可是其他國家比我們更高。 |
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羅委員明才：好啦！主計長，因為時間關係，我問你一個考古題，你應該會答對，請問5年前滷肉飯1碗幾塊錢？ |
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朱主計長澤民：滷肉飯平均大概40、50元。 |
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羅委員明才：好，40、50元。 |
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朱主計長澤民：全國的平均，大概也有便宜的，只有…… |
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羅委員明才：5、6年前才35元、30元。好，如果電價飆漲，帶動滷肉飯漲到65、70元以上，主計長，怎麼辦？ |
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朱主計長澤民：委員，帶動這樣子不大好啦！ |
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羅委員明才：或者不要帶動，它就自然地漲上去了。 |
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朱主計長澤民：對，小商店它要適當地反映成本，我們完全認同，這是一個市場行為，所以這一次經濟部的方案裡面，對小商店700度以下的只有漲3%。 |
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羅委員明才：所以滷肉飯不會漲？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我不講這個，這種推論才是「竹篙鬥菜刀」。 |
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羅委員明才：不是，老百姓他擔心的就是我每天吃的雞蛋最近有漲3元，主計長，每公斤漲3元。 |
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朱主計長澤民：對，因為蛋雞最近減少，蛋雞的量減少。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長，還有其他啦！計程車以後會不會漲？高鐵會不會漲？捷運會不會漲？你統統都漲的話，民眾怎麼辦？人民會受不了啦！ |
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朱主計長澤民：報告委員，不要這樣子嚇大家說這個也會漲那個也會漲，這個就是央行總裁怕的地方，就是預期心理。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長，本席在這裡嚴重地警告，電價如果飆漲10%以上，我在這裡保證，萬物一定會皆漲！如果漲的話，主計長，你要不要負責？ |
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朱主計長澤民：那是一個市場現象，而且是要反映成本，我主計總處是做一些統計、做一些預測，輪到我負責？好像我不是經濟部做決策的單位。 |
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羅委員明才：如果政府沒有妥善地照顧老百姓的生活，生活的物價一味只是漲、漲、漲，那我們要這樣的政府幹什麼呢？ |
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朱主計長澤民：你不讓它漲，那些小商店、那些產業也會有問題的，那些產業如果不敷成本，它會倒閉耶！有些人會失業耶！甚至物資供應會減少，那個問題會更大，所以經濟部就要平衡供需的情況，做這個措施。 |
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羅委員明才：主計長，你講得很好，那我們全民就相信你，你的意思就是不會出狀況，可是如果出狀況的話，你記得本席今天跟你提醒的話。 |
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朱主計長澤民：對，政府沒有出狀況，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：接下來請第二輪的相關首長。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：召委好。 |
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羅委員明才：主委你好。臺灣的詐騙何其多，詐騙在臺灣天天有，民眾現在最厭惡的，第一個就是物價飆漲，第二個就是詐騙何其多。主委，在你周邊的幾位首長可以說是身懷絕技，而且都是學有專精，那麼今天面對這些單位，你有沒有信心把詐騙全部消滅掉？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：詐騙就跟犯罪一樣，百分之百沒有我覺得不見得很容易，但是要讓民眾有感有顯著降低，我想這是我們跨部會一起要努力的地方。 |
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羅委員明才：那你有沒有信心把詐騙的比率直線地往下降？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：報告委員，您太抬舉我了，我不太有資格替行政團隊講話，但是我可以表達今天跨部會大家都很努力。 |
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羅委員明才：其實在我們的想法裡面，有那麼多的單位都站出來了，為什麼還會有詐騙？在它的態樣裡面，第一個，大概就是金融的詐騙很多。第二個，我們請內政部好了，請問李副署長，在這個態樣裡面，最多的是哪三樣？ |
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李副署長西河：假投資詐欺的發生數占了三成八，財損數差不多六成八，近七成。第二個是網路購物詐欺，就是一頁式廣告這個部分，占28%左右。第三名是解除分期付款，也是占了百分之二十幾。 |
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羅委員明才：好，謝謝。所以有部分跟金融有關啦！ |
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李副署長西河：到最後他是要走金融來作為洗錢的管道。 |
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羅委員明才：好，請數發部。李次長，請問你們成立這幾年總共花了多少錢？你們這幾年的預算總共是多少？ |
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李次長懷仁：去年的公務預算是六十幾億，今年是73億。 |
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羅委員明才：好，就是一百多億。 |
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李次長懷仁：對。 |
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羅委員明才：包括警政署，包括金管會，包括法務部，加一加好幾百億，結果你們打不贏詐騙集團，你們今天這樣開會以後，可不可以保證、有沒有信心以後詐騙的案件會減少？ |
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李次長懷仁：我們報告上面已經有講，我們負責的產業已經都讓它在減少，至於其他的部分，我們一定會跟所有的部會一起聯防，想辦法讓它降低。 |
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羅委員明才：你們所有相關機關裡面，有沒有人跟詐騙集團掛勾的？ |
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李次長懷仁：我相信沒有，我們一定沒有啦！我相信其他部會也不會有。 |
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羅委員明才：有沒有審查過？ |
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李次長懷仁：這個可能要問警政，我沒有辦法…… |
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羅委員明才：問誰？ |
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李次長懷仁：我們沒有資格去審查其他部會。 |
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羅委員明才：那有誰可以？李次長，你剛剛不是有講誰嗎？警政是不是？ |
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李次長懷仁：因為這個是人事查核或者是背景查核，這個不是數位部的職權可以做的。 |
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羅委員明才：好，那要問誰？法務部，你們裡面有沒有跟詐騙集團掛勾的？不然怎麼會有那麼多詐騙呢？ |
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黃次長謀信：到目前為止…… |
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羅委員明才：你攤開來，每個地方你就截流、截流，管制、管制，就不可能有詐騙了嘛！有詐騙手機出來，你就把它關掉嘛！是不是這樣？ |
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黃次長謀信：委員，我們是負責查緝的部分，手機關掉的部分要前端。 |
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羅委員明才：那你就是有問題的啊！像今天委員有提到，帳戶每年有50億、70億，我請問一下次長，你覺得一個平常人的帳戶有60億、70億的金額進出，正不正常？ |
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黃次長謀信：這不正常，這個涉及…… |
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羅委員明才：不正常，那你就把所有不正常的全部都關掉啊！ |
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黃次長謀信：這涉及到帳戶監理的問題。 |
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羅委員明才：那你就監理啊！監理誰來監理？ |
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黃次長謀信：監理不是法務部的職責。 |
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羅委員明才：是哪一個部？黃主委。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：帳戶本來就應該要配合防詐去處理，不過這也要兼顧正常經濟活動，要做適度的判別。 |
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羅委員明才：這裡面會出現漏洞就是有共犯結構，今天早上委員在講啊！因為銀行裡面有涉嫌跟外面的詐騙集團掛勾，有沒有這個情況？ |
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黃主任委員天牧：有1家，對。 |
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羅委員明才：你不能有1家啊！有1家，可能沒抓到的有2家、3家。最後，因為時間關係，大家有沒有信心可以把詐騙全部消滅掉？有信心的請舉手。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：報告委員，我們都在努力。 |
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羅委員明才：現場都是中華民國大家最信任的高官，我們對你們很敬佩，請問現場幾位官員，對於要把詐騙全部消滅掉有沒有信心？願意努力去做的請舉手。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：報告委員，我們會全力以赴。 |
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黃主任委員天牧：好，謝謝召委。 |
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主席：請李彥秀委員質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天牧、國家通訊傳播委員
會、法務部、內政部、數位發展部就「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領1.5版」預算執行情形及成
效進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席、各委員、處列席、官員大家好主席、科科請幾位朱澤民主計長然後第二階段再請黃天牧主委還有國家通訊委員會翁副主委以及法務部黃次長請正署李副署長來速發部的李正次首先先請主計長好 |
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現在人民感覺都很痛苦一個就是萬物起漲、電價飆漲為什麼政府要在這個關鍵的時刻還帶頭來漲價主計長有沒有什麼方法可以喔 |
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政府的威信還有人民對政府的期待如果因為生活不下去萬物飆漲 |
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那這個過錯,主計長你要扛嗎?主計長 |
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您的意思就是說,電價漲,所以物價不會漲?還是都沒什麼關係啦?沒有啦,電價漲,物價當然會漲,因為它有一定的權數啊,民生用電的權數是佔1.2個百分點啊,所以它電價漲那個權,可是我們一方面也要考慮到台電的成本。台電是你們應該要檢討的。 |
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今年你又要補助他多少?過去累計的補助已經4千億了。我請問主席長,你快要離開了。人將離去。不是,你不是說那個你考慮不做了嗎?人將離開啊。 |
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你如果說這次﹖ |
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臺電開始飆漲,那你明年要不要補助?後年咧?大老年怎麼辦?明年都補助,那除了還是老百姓的納稅錢啊?臺電的虧損是很嚴重的,臺電虧損如果超過,如果他的淨值變成負的話,按照公司法他必須解散。那你執政黨你就要負起責任嘛,你一直補助,其實我反對啦。 |
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為什麼要拿我的血汗錢去補助台電?接下來一個懲罰人民,請問主計長人民犯了什麼錯?每次都是要從人民的身上卡油跟其他國家比較我們電費的上漲是比較低的謝謝天價比較低,新加坡有沒有漲?有日本有沒有漲?有,比我們高 |
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主計長． |
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你覺得臺灣民眾薪水的上漲,你的說法是說臺灣老百姓都同意嗎?開心嗎?每個人都不會對自己的薪水同意的,對。對,看到臺灣跟新加坡相比啊,臺灣人民的心裡是在淌血的啊。為什麼人家薪水漲了兩三倍,然後你把電價拿A跟B亂亂倒? |
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台灣人民就變得不幸福了啊。 |
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五年前盧洛漢議員幾塊錢? |
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五六年前才35塊啦,30塊。好。 |
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如果電價飆漲,帶動滷肉飯漲到65、70塊以上,主計長怎麼辦? |
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小商店它要適當的反映成本我們完全認同這個是一個市場行為的所以我們這一次那個經濟部的方案裡面對小商店700度以下的只有漲3%所以爐頭飯不會漲喔我不講這個這樣推論啦才是不是老百姓他擔心的就是我每天吃的雞蛋最近又漲3塊主計長每公斤漲3塊 |
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還有其他啦,你這個計程車以後會不會漲?高鐵會不會漲?捷運會不會漲?你通通都漲的話民眾怎麼辦啊?人民會受不了啊?主計長,店價本席在這裡嚴重的警告,店價如果飆漲10%以上喔,我這裡保證啊,所有萬物一定會接漲。 |
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如果政府沒有妥善的照顧老百姓的生活 |
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主計長你講的很好喔 |
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我們全民就相信你你的意思就是不會出狀況可是如果出狀況的話你記得本席今天跟你提醒的話接下來請其他剛剛第二輪的相關首長主委你好那我想台灣就是 |
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詐騙何其多?詐騙在台灣天天有。對於民眾現在最厭惡的第一個就是物價飆漲第二個就是詐騙何其多?主委在你周邊的幾位首長都是可以說是身懷絕技而且都是學有專精 |
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那麼面對今天所有的這些各單位你有沒有信心把詐騙把它全部消滅掉?那你有沒有信心把這個詐騙的比率直線的往下降? |
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其實在我們這個想法裡面有那麼多的單位都站出來了為什麼還會有詐騙我們在他的太陽裡面第一個大概就是金融的詐騙很多 |
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第二個我們請那個內政部好了請問李副署長是在這個太陽裡面最多的是哪三樣 |
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假投資詐欺,它發生數佔了差不多3成8,財損數差不多6成8,近7成。第二個是網路購物詐欺,就是夜市廣告這一個部分,這個佔28%左右。另外這第三名是我們的解析付款,也是佔了百分之二十幾。 |
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請問你們這幾年成立總共花了多少錢?你們這幾年的預算總共是多少? |
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去年的公務預算是60幾今年是73億好就100多億包括警政署包括金管會包括法務部加一加好幾百億結果你們打不贏那個詐騙集團你們今天開會以後可不可以保證有沒有信心以後詐騙的案件會減少 |
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關於委員報告我們報告上面已經有講我們負責的產業我們已經都讓他在減少那其他的部分我們一定跟所有的部會一起聯防想辦法讓他降低你們所有相關機關裡面有沒有人跟詐騙集團掛鉤的我相信沒有我們一定沒有啦我相信其他部會也不會有有沒有審查過這個可能要問警政或者是這個我沒有辦法跟誰我們沒有資格去審查其他部會啦好那有誰可以 |
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理事長你剛剛不是說講誰嗎?警政是不是?我說這個可能要因為這個是人事查核或者是背景查核這個不是數位部的職權科技好那要問誰?法務你們裡面有沒有跟詐騙集團掛鉤的?不然怎麼會有那麼多詐騙呢?當開來每個地方你就節流節流管制管制就不可能有詐騙了嘛有詐騙手機出來你就把它關掉嘛是不是這樣? |
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委員我們是負責查緝的部分那我手機關掉的部分要前端那你就有問題的啊像剛剛建委有提到啊帳戶每年有50億、70億那我請問一下那次長你覺得一個平常人帳戶有60億、70億的這個金額進出正不正常委員這不正常那你就把所有不正常全部都關掉啊委員這涉及到帳戶監理的問題那你就監理啊監理誰來監理監理不是法務部的職責是哪一個部 |
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黃主委這個賬戶本來就應該在配合防詐上去處理不過這也要兼顧正常經濟活動要做適度的判決這裡面會出現漏洞就是有共犯結構今天早上委員在講有銀行裡面涉嫌跟外面的詐騙集團掛鉤有沒有這個情況有一家你不能有一家有一家可能就沒抓到有兩家三家 |
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是不是在座最後因為時間關係大家有沒有信心可以把這個詐騙全部消滅掉有信心的請舉手你們現場都是中華民國大家最信任的高官我們對你們很敬佩請問現場幾位官員對於要把詐騙全部消滅掉有沒有信心願意努力去做的請舉手 |
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報告委員,我們會全力以赴啊。那連你們都沒信心了,一般的老百姓怎麼辦?好,謝謝。好,謝謝委員,謝謝教委。 |