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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150334 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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5 |
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委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-25T10:17:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-25T10:26:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:29 - 10:26:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：審查委員傅崐萁等33人擬具「花東快速公路建設特別條例草案」案。【詢答及處理】【3月25日及27日二天一次會】） |
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陳委員雪生：（10時17分）謝謝主席。請部長。 |
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主席：王部長。 |
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王部長國材：陳召委好。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長，早安。 |
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王部長國材：早。 |
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陳委員雪生：我們在朝為官都說要照顧離島、偏鄉，有沒有？ |
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王部長國材：有。 |
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陳委員雪生：尤其越窮的地方，我們更要注意。今天花蓮的民意代表提出花東建設條例，我覺得跟離島建設條例有點相似，當然這個條例是在離島建設條例之後。花東建設條例在我到立法院來，已經提了很久了。傅崐萁委員不要難過，什麼環評，我們環評通過很久都還在那邊玩，是不是？所以你也不要難過。不過請部長要注意一下，離島、偏鄉不要掛在嘴巴，好不好？請多給予支持，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：當然今天的預算案可能被說立法院、立法委員不得為增加預算的要求，只可以刪減，法律案裡面有夾雜一些東西。但很多都是這樣，很多法律案裡面都有提出一些經費的案件。部長，說真的，你幹得不錯，你在行政上都已經儘量保持中立，我也看到了。這一任閣揆也好，下一任閣揆也好，希望你能夠繼續連任，好不好？有沒有信心？ |
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王部長國材：我覺得應該換一些新人，要換人比較好。 |
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陳委員雪生：有信心嘛？ |
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王部長國材：沒有，我是說應該換人比較有新的作為。 |
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陳委員雪生：不錯啦！王國材，國家的材料，不然這個名字……好啦！請問部長，我這次選舉也很辛苦，雖然很辛苦，但還是選上了，很多候選人說馬祖到高雄航線，我們馬祖老百姓只有6,000個人，他可以連署7,000個人出來，蠻厲害的，然後又找了交通部。照這樣的話，高雄到馬祖的航線就可以飛了嗎？ |
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王部長國材：現在我們跟連江縣政府合作，希望先用包機，飛到一個程度，我們再…… |
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陳委員雪生：我先問你前面的，連署7,000人，或是連署7萬人，你被嚇到了，是不是？然後你就要趕快飛，民意那麼強大，就要飛了嘛，跟花東人一樣…… |
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王部長國材：先包機，先包機。 |
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陳委員雪生：全部都舉手，雙手雙腳贊成搞花東建設，你們還是不理他，所以他們連署7,000人找交通部，因為執政黨嘛，是不是？找你們，你們都要聽話啊！這樣就可以飛了嗎？ |
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王部長國材：沒有，現在是航空公司……的確需求面我相信啦！需求面…… |
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陳委員雪生：對啊！我說要去找航空公司談嘛！問題在航空公司，對不對？那你去找高雄市長、秘書長，找這些有用嗎？ |
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王部長國材：跟立榮也談過，所以現在先用包機。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長，我上次已經提過了，在總質詢時提過了，希望民航局局長出面，好不好？今天何局長沒有來，你出面嘛！航政司主導一下。 |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：你出面邀請航空公司，這個源頭應該是縣政府、旅行社，還有航空公司，很重要的這三個單位，對不對？我們試飛一下，包機先試飛一下。 |
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王部長國材：現在包機已經確定了，現在跟縣政府談一談，比如有多少旅客要搭，我們就先試…… |
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陳委員雪生：這個沒關係，縣政府去評估嘛！ |
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王部長國材：好，我們跟他一起合作。 |
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陳委員雪生：開會的時候處理嘛！但是你們交通部要主導，你要主導這樣的會議，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好，我請民航局來…… |
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陳委員雪生：第二個問題，北竿機場改善，你看花東要幾百億，要到在那邊頭破血流，都快打架了，我們北竿機場改善，飛安很重要，你不要等出了事情再去改善，後悔都來不及，是不是？這個是千秋萬世的一個事情，所以我們那邊還在吵吵鬧鬧，不過還好啦，他們主要是覺得配套要做好，工期太長了，當然，我也希望這個案子趕快過，您瞭解現在的進度怎麼樣了？ |
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王部長國材：我們已經把意見在3月1日給國發會了，他們應該是已經往上呈了，應該很快。 |
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陳委員雪生：國發會的前兩個月也往上呈了，呈送到行政院你們就不管了嗎？ |
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王部長國材：不會，不會，我們追蹤到的是國發會應該沒有意見，應該往上呈了，我覺得北竿應該很快。 |
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陳委員雪生：鄭副院長都還沒有看到，不會到院長那裡啊！還在行政院秘書處打轉，還在轉啦！你們去問一下，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：可以問嗎？ |
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王部長國材：我來幫委員打聽一下。 |
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陳委員雪生：還是打電話去問的話，會不會官腔罵你一頓？ |
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王部長國材：不會，不會。 |
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陳委員雪生：他會不會問你管那麼多幹什麼？ |
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王部長國材：不會。 |
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陳委員雪生：不會吧？ |
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王部長國材：不會。 |
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陳委員雪生：那你問一下跟我回報，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：第三個，我老調重談了，停車問題。部長傳了一個LINE給我，很像是記點問題，這有很多民眾反彈，我請問你，前任柯文哲市長把所有可以停的停車位全部畫停車格，而沒有停車格的全部畫成紅線，那你要我們的車子停哪裡去？是不是就叫警察不停的開單？這是第一個，交通部路政司能不能要求改一些停車位出來？全國有800萬、900萬輛的車子，停車位只有200個、300個，大樓室內停車位100個，你叫剩下的車子停哪裡去？白天到辦公室來沒地方停，立法院周邊到處都是亂停的車子，晚上開回去也是亂停，沒地方停嘛！警察不要搞治安了，都來開單就好了！是不是？這是個問題。第二個問題，晚上回去可能併排，我是覺得路政司可以規劃一下，在不影響交通的情況之下，晚上10點鐘以後到凌晨8點鐘以前或7點鐘以前，不要開單嘛！你引起民怨啊！是不是？這跟哪一黨沒有關係，跟國民黨、民進黨、民眾黨這些黨派都沒有關係，這是便民、利民，不要引起民怨，這是大眾的需求，是不是？部長你答應一下，可以嗎？ |
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王部長國材：目前0到6點原則上是可以開放停車，的確，這次我們在道交條例…… |
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陳委員雪生：0到6點？那你要這些人到外面去玩、夜遊，去淡水河邊看看要不要跳海，然後12點再開回來停車，是這樣子嗎？ |
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王部長國材：目前0到6點地方政府可以權宜調整。跟召委報告，這次的修法也是一樣，尤其是停車的課題，剛才談到非常難停…… |
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陳委員雪生：晚上10點車輛已經很少流動了。 |
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王部長國材：所以我們這次會有一些稍微的調整。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個要修法嗎？會不會送到交通委員會來討論，還是你們用行政命令？ |
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王部長國材：這次一起討論，我想第一個是處罰條例，比如說民眾可不可以檢舉？我們現在是把它除外；第二個是裁罰細則的修正，就是在立法院討論，某些行為是不是…… |
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陳委員雪生：部長，民眾檢舉的事情，你可以討論，如果要檢舉的話，晚上12點以後停車不罰，對不對？那我10點到12點沒事的話，就把車子開到林森北路、中山北路，用那個錄像機一條一條弄過去，然後交給中山分局的中山一、中山二等派出所，那麼警察都不要做事了，晚上也不要抓壞人了，就坐在那邊打電腦，因為民眾檢舉，有相片給你，對不對？ |
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王部長國材：這個部分這次好像已經付委到交委會，交委會會做討論。 |
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陳委員雪生：討論一下，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：不過今天重點還是在高雄到馬祖的航線，拜託部長回去跟民航局還有航政司……航政司司長也來了，司長是全國最帥的司長，韓司長，你主導一下，好不好？不要再拖了啦！我一直叫，叫了幾個月，你們一點動靜都沒有，好不好？我下次來追進度，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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陳委員雪生：好，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。 |
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王部長國材：謝謝召委。 |
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主席：好，謝謝陳雪生召委。 |
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主席（陳委員雪生）：請魯明哲委員發言。 |
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好,謝謝主席。是不是請部長?黃部長部長,早安。我們在朝為官啊,都是講說離島偏鄉我們要照顧,有沒有? |
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尤其越窮的地方我們更要注意今天花蓮的民意代表提出來花東建設條例我覺得他跟離島建設條例有點相似當然他這個條例是在我們離島建設條例之後這個花東建設條例我在道利法院已經提了很久了 |
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傅崐萁也不要難過,我們黃坪通過很久了,都還在那邊玩,所以你也不要難過不過請部長要注意一下,離島偏鄉不要掛在嘴巴 |
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請多給予支持好不好?當然今天的預算案可能講說我們立法院、立法委員不得增加預算的要求可以刪減法律案裡面有夾雜一些東西,但是很多都是這樣啊很多法律案裡面都有提出一些經費的案件來,所以部長說真的你幹得不錯啦 |
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你在行政上都已經盡量保持中立了,我也看到了齁。我希望這一任閣口也好,下一任閣口也好,希望你能夠繼續連任好不好?有沒有信心啊?我是覺得應該換一些人,新人比較好。應該有信心嗎?沒有沒有,我說應該換人比較有這個新的作為。 |
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不錯啦,王國才國家的材料勒不然這個名字齁好啦部長我請問啦我這次選舉也很辛苦啊也很辛苦,但是還是選上了齁很多候選人講說馬祖到高雄航線他去連署喔,我們馬祖老闆有6000個人,他可以連署7000個人出來啊蠻厲害的齁然後又找了交通部到這樣的話 |
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高雄到馬祖的航線就可以飛了嗎?可以飛了嗎?現在我們是跟廉價縣政府合作希望先用包機飛到一個程度我先問你前面的聯署7000個人或是聯署7萬個人你會被嚇到了是不是?然後你就要飛了趕快飛了民營那麼強大就要飛了嗎?跟花東人一樣全部都舉手雙手雙腳贊成搞花東的這個建設你們還是不理他? |
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所以他連署了7000個人找交通部,因為執政黨嘛是不是找你們你們都要聽話啊,這樣的話就可以飛了嗎?沒有就是說現在是航空公司的確需求面我相信啊我說你要去找航空公司談嘛,問題在航空公司嘛對不對那你去找高雄市長啦秘書長啦找這些有用嗎? |
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跟利龍也談過,所以現在用包機部長我跟你講,我上次已經提過了,在董事巡講希望民航局局長出面好不好今天何局長沒有來你出面嘛,行政司主導一下你出面邀請航空公司嘛這個源頭應該是縣政府還有旅行社還有航空公司很重要這三個單位對不對 |
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我們試費一下嘛,包機先試一下現在包機已經確定了,現在跟縣政府談一談齁比如說有多少旅客要搭我們就先試這個沒關係,這個縣政府去評估嘛好,我們跟他一起合作但是你們交通部要主導啊你要主導這樣的會議好不好好,我請民安局來好,第二個問題齁北竿機場改善嘛你看花東要幾百億,要在那邊頭破血流啦齁都快打架了 |
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我們北竿機場改善啊,北竿很重要欸你不要出了事情再去改善,後悔都來不及啦是不是?我們這個千秋萬世的一個事情啊所以我們那邊還在吵吵鬧鬧的,還好啦不過他們主要是覺得配套配套把它做好,工期太長了齁所以當然我也希望這個案子趕快過您了解進度怎麼樣了現在? |
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現在我們已經把意見3月1日給國發會了應該他已經是往上層了啦應該很快國發會的前兩個月也往上層了啦齁然後層了送到行政院你們就不管了嗎不會不會那個我們追蹤是應該給他意見應該國發應該沒意見了那應該往上應該很快我覺得北京應該很快政府院長都還沒看到啊不會到院長那裡去啊還在行政院秘書處還在打賺還在賺啦 |
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你們去問一下好不好?可以問嗎?我來幫你打聽一下打聽下去問的話會不會被官腔罵你一頓啊?不會不會他會不會問你管那麼多幹什麼?不會不會吧?不會那你們問一下跟我回報好不好?好第三個我老掉床談喔停車部長傳一個LINE給我很像要祭典嘛 |
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記點這個很多民眾在反彈我請問你柯市長柯文哲市長前任他把所有停車位該停的全部畫停車格了對不對沒有停車格全部畫成紅線你要我們車子停哪裡去啊那就是叫警察給我開單嘛不停的開單嘛是不是這樣子這第一個現在你交通部 |
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報告主席再給我一分鐘很快齁 |
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你白天到辦公室來沒地方停,立法院周邊到處都是亂停的車子好,晚上開回去也是亂停,沒地方停嘛那警察不要搞治安,警察就來開單就好了嘛,是不是這是一個問題,第一個問題第二個問題晚上回去可能併排,我是覺得你們是不是路政司規劃一下 |
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不影響交通的情況之下晚上10點鐘以後到凌晨8點鐘以前或是7點鐘以前你不要去開單嘛你引起民怨嘛是不是這個跟哪一黨沒有關係喔跟國民黨民進黨民眾黨這些黨派沒有關係喔你這是變名立名不要引起民怨的事情嘛這是大眾的需求嘛是不是 |
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部長你答應一下,可以嗎?目前是零到六點,兼著上是可以開放可以停車,那的確這是我們在到交條例...零到六,你要這些人到外面去玩,去夜遊,去淡水河邊看看要不要跳海,然後到12點再開回來停目前零到六,地方政府可以全力調整 |
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那剛才各個跟早有報告就是說這一次的修法也是一樣就是尤其這次停車的課題剛才談到非常難停晚上10點車輛已經很少流動了所以我們這一次會有一些這種微的調整你這個要修法嗎?會不會送到交通委員會來討論?還是你們用行政命令 |
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這一次一起討論,我想說第一個是處罰條例比如說這個是民眾可不可以檢舉,我們現在是把它除外第二個就是才華細則的修正,我想在立法院可以討論某些行為是不是部長民眾檢舉的事情你可以討論一下嘛你要檢舉的話晚上12點以後這個停車不罰對不對那我10點到12點沒事的話我車子開到林山北路、中山北路 |
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527.832 |
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我用那個錄像一條一條給他弄過去然後交給中山分局的中山一中山二中山警察都不要做事了晚上也不要抓壞人了就在那邊坐在那邊打電腦民眾檢舉我有項目給你對不對好這個我們這一次在交委會那已經互為到交委會會做討論 |
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討論一下嘛好不好不過今天重點還是高雄到馬來西亞的航線拜託部長回去跟民航局還有那個韓正思啊韓正思也來了我們最帥的市長全國最帥的市長你看韓市長你主導一下好不好不要再拖了啦我一直叫叫了幾個月你們一點動靜都沒有好不好我下次來追進度好不好好謝謝部長謝謝主席 |