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150312 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150312 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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5 |
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委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-25T09:32:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-25T09:39:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:05 - 09:39:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：審查委員傅崐萁等33人擬具「花東快速公路建設特別條例草案」案。【詢答及處理】【3月25日及27日二天一次會】） |
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傅委員崐萁：（9時32分）主席，請部長。 |
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主席：請王部長。 |
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王部長國材：傅委員好。 |
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傅委員崐萁：部長，請你看清楚一下，在大選的時候，花蓮跟臺東民進黨所提名的立法委員候選人，他的主要政見就是興建花東快，賴清德總統當選人也來背書，蕭美琴副總統當選人也來背書。 |
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你不要上來、你不要上來、你不要上來，我沒有請你上來，你們交通部什麼時候出大法官？你坐好。 |
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在這裡要特別請教一下部長，從賴清德總統當選人、蕭美琴副總統當選人到民進黨所提名的花東立委候選人都列為主要政見，告訴東臺灣的人民，民進黨是如此地關心東臺灣的建設，希望均衡臺灣的發展，都支持交通平權，大選完才短短兩個多月，本席請教一下部長，對於花東快的興建，打從內心深處你是支持還是不支持？ |
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王部長國材：我支持它，所以當時我們就進入重啟可行性，但是要經過評估的程序。 |
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傅委員崐萁：既然你支持，這是真心的嗎？ |
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王部長國材：我是覺得花東的建設…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你現在越來越像政治人物啊！真心的嗎？ |
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王部長國材：要不然就不會重啟啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：重啟是立法院做的決議，又不是你做的決議。本席請教你，摸著你的良心講，你想想看如果今天你在求婚的當下，你對你的太太所講的是不是真心話？你今天面對全國國人，你講的是不是真心話？你支不支持花東快的興建，請部長回答。 |
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王部長國材：如果更明確來講是不反對。 |
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傅委員崐萁：剛剛是支持，現在是不反對，等於你問你的太太說願不願意嫁給我，現在是我不反對你嫁給我，那接下來呢？你最好不要嫁給我，是嗎？ |
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王部長國材：現在是這樣啦！我希望從我們相關的評估去證明，當然我如果現在…… |
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傅委員崐萁：本席是請教你，從交通人的立場，這條路應不應該興建，請教、回答？ |
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王部長國材：一定要分析評估可行啦。我跟委員說我不反對，但是也要經過一個周延的評估。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你從開始的支持到不反對，然後到評估，部長，新潮流把你培育成這個樣子真的不容易，三階段的回答問題。本席在這裡隆重的告訴你，立法院所承載這兩千三百萬人的民意，代表各個政黨，這是什麼意思？兩千三百萬的民意不是40%的總統，在這裡所通過的決議，就是代表全民的意思，所以如果通過了花東快條例，對交通部來講，您願意去興建它，在一個交通人的基本立場，交通平權，生命無價，立法院今天通過條例是幫了你一把，把條例通過你更好做事情，結果你的報告是如此的羞愧身為交通人，什麼叫窒礙難行、什麼叫違憲？我不曉得你們現在司長還兼大法官啊！法律是由你們交通部來解釋的嗎？ |
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王部長國材：委員，我剛才談到…… |
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傅委員崐萁：這一步實在羞愧啊！ |
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王部長國材：不是！不反對，如果要…… |
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傅委員崐萁：什麼時候輪到你們來解釋？連立法委員都不能解釋法律，他們都不是大法官，柯建銘一天到晚大法官上身，現在連交通部也認為你們是大法官，這是國會要有尊嚴耶！國會在審議，輪得到你們交通部說三道四嗎？在講什麼啊！ |
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王部長國材：審查要有正義，要有公平啊！現在每個委員…… |
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傅委員崐萁：什麼叫有正義？什麼叫違憲之虞？是你們交通部可以來講的嗎？ |
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王部長國材：現在如果每個委員…… |
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傅委員崐萁：是你們交通部可以來講，有沒有違憲之虞？ |
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王部長國材：每一個個案統統是用特別條例…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你們聲請過大法官解釋了嗎？今天我們在討論一個交通要不要做、該怎麼做，國民黨執政…… |
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王部長國材：該做的是走正常的程序…… |
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傅委員崐萁：本席在講話。97年520國民黨執政，兩年八個月，民國100年1月29號蘇花改就動工了，現在你們把蘇花改的錢也當作民進黨花的錢，本席真的很佩服你們，花東雙軌電氣化到現在進行到哪裡？你把錢統統列上來四百多億，你進行的進度是多少？蘇花安八字都沒有一撇，環評才剛剛送件，拖了8年，拖了8年；我們再講一次，民國97年5月20號國民黨執政，100年1月29號只經過兩年八個月，蘇花改就動工了，所有的地質、湧水全部都瞭解清楚。2016年民進黨執政到現在，八年多了，蘇花安還是空中樓閣，還敢把八百多億都列在這裡面，全部是空頭支票！ |
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王部長國材：委員，蘇花安是我們重啟啊！本來是不做的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：本席請教你，立委從2016講到現在，什麼叫你們重啟？ |
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王部長國材：本來是不做的啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：蘇花安到現在八百多億的空中樓閣，你也列在兩千多億裡面，連看都沒有看到，你們真的當東臺灣的人是次等公民嗎？ |
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王部長國材：跟委員報告，我們環評跟公聽會都辦過了…… |
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傅委員崐萁：部長，請不要把自己當作政治舞臺上的小丑，一個工程師是要有風骨的，不是政治人物！所有在國會通過的事情，執政黨有意見要聲請大法官解釋，我們尊重，但是國會的尊嚴我們必須要守住！國會審查的事情就由國會審查，輪得到你們行政官員來說三道四嗎？ |
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王部長國材：這個就是我們工程師必須做的事…… |
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傅委員崐萁：所以本席現在告訴你，工程師沒有兼大法官，只要就工程專業來講你該做的事情就好。 |
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王部長國材：工程師不能先審就定案，不是這樣。 |
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傅委員崐萁：部長請回。新潮流已經把你訓練成這個樣子，本席很佩服你，一個基本的工程專業，今天一個國會可以由這些人到這裡來告訴我們要怎麼立法、要怎麼樣牴觸憲法，你們現在全部都大法官嗎？對工程人來講是很羞恥的一件事情！ |
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主席：謝謝傅崐萁委員，接下來有請廖先翔委員發言。 |
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主席請部長請王部長部長請你看一下看清楚一下這個大選的時候啊花蓮跟台東民進黨所提名的立法委員候選人他的政見主要政見就是興建花東快 |
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賴清德總統當選人也來背書蕭美琴副總統當選人也來背書欸你不要上來你不要上來我沒有請你上來你們交通部什麼時候出大法官你做好要特別啊在這裡啊請教一下部長從 |
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賴清德總統當選人到小美琴副總統當選人到民進黨所提名的花東立委候選人都列為主要政見告訴東台灣的人民民進黨是如此的關心東台灣的建設希望均衡台灣的發展都支持交通平權大選完才短短兩個多月本席請教一下部長您對於花東快 |
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的興建你打從內心深處你是支持還是不支持我支持他所以當時我們就進入了重啟可信性既然你支持這是真心的嗎這是真心的嗎我是覺得花東的建設你現在越來越像爭執人物啊真心的嗎沒有要不然就不會重啟啊重啟是立法院做的決議又不是你做的決議本期請教你摸著你的良心講 |
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你想想看如果今天你在求婚的當下你對你的太太所講的是不是真心話你今天面對全國國人你講的是不是真心話 |
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你支不支持花東快的興建請部長回答應該如果更明確來講是不反對剛剛是支持現在是不反對等於你問你的太太說願不願意嫁給我然後現在我不反對你嫁給我那接下來呢你最好不要嫁給我是嗎現在這樣就是說我希望從我們的相關的評估去證明本席是請教你吧 |
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打從交通人的立場這條路應不應該興建請教回答一定要分析評估可行我已經講說我不反對但是也要經過一個專業的評估你從開始的支持到不反對然後到評估部長真的新潮流把你培育成這個樣子真的不容易三階段的回答問題本席在這裡 |
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隆重地告訴你立法院所承載這23百萬人的民意代表各個政黨這是什麼意思23百萬人的民意不是40%的總統在這裡所通過的決議就是代表全民的意識所以如果通過了花東快條例 |
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對於交通部來講您願意去興建它這一個交通人的基本立場交通平權生命無價立法院今天通過條例是幫了你一把把條例通過你更好做事情結果你的報告是如此的羞愧交通人什麼叫自然難行什麼叫違憲我不曉得你們現在司長還兼大法官法律是由你們交通部來解釋的嗎 |
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委員我剛才談到這一步實在羞愧啊不是什麼時候輪到你們來解釋如果連立法委員都不能解釋法律他們都不是大法官可而且明天到晚大法官上身現在連你們交通部也認為你們大法官 |
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這是國會要有尊嚴欸國會在審議輪到你們交通部說三道四嗎那講什麼審查要有正義什麼叫有正義要有公平啊什麼叫有違憲之餘是你們交通部可以來講的嗎是你們交通部可以來講有沒有違憲之餘你們升級過大法官解釋了嗎今天我們在做的是一個交通要不要做該怎麼做 |
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國民黨執政本席在講話97年520執政兩年8個月民國100年1月29號蘇哈改就動工了現在您把蘇哈改的錢也當作你民進黨花的錢本席真的很佩服你花東雙軌電企劃到現在進行到哪裡你把錢通通列上來400多億你進行的進度是多少 |
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蘇華安八隻都沒有一撇華安平才剛剛送件拖了八年拖了八年我們再講一次民國97年5月20號國民黨執政100年1月29號只經過兩年八個月蘇華改就動工了所有的地質湧水全部都了解清楚 |
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2016議員：傅崐萁 |
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連看都沒有看到你們真的當東台灣的人是赤等公民嗎?部長請不要把自己當作政治舞台上的小丑一個工程師是要風骨的不是政治人物所有在國會通過的事情執政黨有意見要申請大法官解釋我們尊重 |
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我們尊重但是國會的尊嚴我們必須要我們必須要守住國會審查的事情就是國會審查輪得到你們行政官員來說這件道事嗎所以本席現在告訴你工程師沒有見大法官你只要就工程專員來講你該做的事情就好部長請回新潮流已經把你訓練成這個樣子本席很佩服你 |
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一個基本的一個工程專業今天一個國會可以由這些人到這裡來告訴我們要怎麼立法要怎麼樣抵觸憲法你們現在全部都大法官嗎這是一個很對工程人來講是一個羞恥的一件事情 |