| IVOD_ID |
150260 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150260 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-21T12:14:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-21T12:20:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1be549810cdc3052f991f032ff88f4bd469dd78c507e1b3ff8ba9b0039caa7a63657b01c8c35754b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:14:17 - 12:20:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部、農業部、國家發展委員會、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「加速推動再生能源對國土環境之影響及環境影響評估認定標準修訂進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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張委員啓楷：（12時14分）謝謝主席，請部長。 |
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主席：好，請薛部長。 |
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薛部長富盛：張委員好。 |
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張委員啓楷：校長好，輕鬆一點。 |
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薛部長富盛：好。 |
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張委員啓楷：輕鬆一點，校長知道美國有神祕51區嘛？傳說那個是外星人的基地，我們臺灣彰化也有一個外星人的基地，你有沒有聽過？ |
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薛部長富盛：有，好像有聽過，就是整個場地的形狀好像…… |
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張委員啓楷：等一下畫面給校長看一下，這個就是臺灣的外星人基地，上面有432座的打蛋機，在彰化的王功，這個校長應該知道，這還是網美跟網紅常去打卡的聖地，看起來是很漂亮的，所以叫做外星人基地。可是很聳動的，大家看另外這邊的畫面，這是2020年的，校長，這些打蛋機生鏽，然後有些都倒到海裡面去了，這會不會造成污染？ |
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薛部長富盛：會啊！這個東西應該是要好好去處理，假如都已經倒下去了，然後就堆積在那邊沒有人處理。 |
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張委員啓楷：這是養蚵的地方，這是養殖地，因為在海邊嘛！2020年它造成了污染，當然民眾就去檢舉了，因為民眾去檢舉，所以後來有做了一部分的清理，我要質詢的前幾天我們去看了一下，有做了一部分的清理，可是它現在發生很嚴重的，第一個，彰化縣政府表示，到目前為止這些打蛋機、這些發電的風力發電機沒有完成土地變更，這是第一個。第二個，它沒有取得使用執照。更好玩的是，我剛才問台電，台電表示這個打蛋機是不合法的發電機，所以台電不只不併網，以後也不會跟它買。校長，這打蛋機已經變成432座廢棄的金屬廢棄物，對不對？ |
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薛部長富盛：是。 |
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張委員啓楷：是不是這樣？ |
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薛部長富盛：OK，這個我看我們…… |
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張委員啓楷：能源署的署長在哪裡？游署長，外星人基地你一定知道，對不對？這個問題嚴重在哪裡？我先說一下，校長跟署長，它是2017年就發生問題，到目前為止土地變更還沒過；第二個，它的使用執照也沒有拿到，然後就丟在這裡了，到現在看到的是什麼？上面就生鏽，很多都生鏽了，它應該是廢棄物啊！丟在那邊怎麼辦？這個有危險問題嘛！如果颱風來，有污染那颱風天是要怎麼處理？ |
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游署長振偉：報告委員，這案子如同委員所講的，它本身的程序其實都沒有完成，所以現在是彰化縣政府在做處理，因為土地變更都沒有完成，所以它完全都沒有電業的相關證照，縣政府在處理了。 |
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張委員啓楷：對，所以現在就是丟在那邊嘛！因為它生鏽，所以有時候掉下來會有污染，民眾就去檢舉，可是對海洋、對附近養蚵的民眾就是不公平了嘛！這是要處理的。所以我今天質詢的重點是什麼？請問校長跟經濟部，這到底是什麼人要管？如果有污染問題，環境部要去處理，對不對？ |
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薛部長富盛：從執行面來講，當然環境部是監督的單位，彰化縣政府環保局應該要積極來處理這一塊。 |
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張委員啓楷：對。 |
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薛部長富盛：它如果需要環境部來協助，我們非常樂意，應該要來…… |
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張委員啓楷：主管機關是經濟部，對不對？ |
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薛部長富盛：是。 |
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張委員啓楷：還有一個單位，土地使用的問題是內政部。所以今天本席非常明確地做一個要求，有三個主管機關，環境部、經濟部跟內政部，現在大家都在賺台電的錢，對不對？搶著建這一些根本就不合法，或者本來是合法後來廢棄的很多，我們說的這個案子是在海邊，對不對？ |
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薛部長富盛：對。 |
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張委員啓楷：深山林內也很多啊！很多以前要賺台電錢的，做完之後就廢棄的也都非常多，或者不能用的也很多啊！苗栗的深山林內就非常多，對不對？對於不管是在海邊或者深山林內現在已經沒有用的、廢棄的或者是已經不再利用的，我覺得這三個單位有責任，是不是要訂定一個法律還是至少有一個要點？ |
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薛部長富盛：跟張委員報告，基本上現在廢清法裡面應該就有這個責任，當初設立的本來就要去負責清除啦！所以事實上只要…… |
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張委員啓楷：所以你說環境部之外還有環保局，環保局處是地方就要處理了，對不對？ |
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薛部長富盛：是，我們會根據那個辦法請地方政府要去執行，當然這裡面或許會牽涉到經濟部或者相關的單位。 |
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張委員啓楷：請問經濟部能源署署長，像這一種你們就不會去買它的電，對不對？ |
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游署長振偉：是。 |
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張委員啓楷：它是違法的發電設施，不會去買對不對？不會併網去買。 |
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游局長振偉：這個沒有執照的，當然不會買。 |
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張委員啓楷：好，我再強調一個點，這個不是只有在彰化外星人基地，在全臺灣，包括苗栗深山林內，全臺灣都有很多，剛剛我們委員不是也提了臺南六甲廢棄的光電場，大家急著要賺台電的錢，拼命做這種發電的設施，造成現在一堆的污染，或者一堆都沒有清理的。今天本席非常明確的要求，有這麼多已經廢棄或者沒有用的，請環境部、經濟部跟內政部坐下來好好談，一定要擬出一個解決方案，可能是定一個法律案，至少是要一個要點，儘速去清除，不要繼續造成污染，好不好？ |
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薛部長富盛：好。謝謝張委員。 |
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張委員啓楷：好，謝謝校長，謝謝署長，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝張啓楷委員。接下來請蔡易餘、蔡易餘，蔡易餘委員不在。 |
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請伍麗華委員進行質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請環境部部長、經濟部、農業部、國家發展委員會、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「加速推動
再生能源對國土環境之影響及環境影響評估認定標準修訂進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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謝謝主席請部長好請薛部長張委員好校長好輕鬆一點喔好輕鬆一點校長知道那個美國有神秘51區嗎傳說那個是外星人的基地但現在在台灣啦中華也有一個外星人的基地你覺得聽過 |
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有,真的有聽過。整個場地的形狀好像...等一下畫面給校長看一下。來來,委員給校長看一下。這個就是台灣的外星人基地對不對? |
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上面有432座的打蛋機在網公在中華的網京這下場應該知道這還是那個網美跟網紅長期打卡的這個勝地看起來是很漂亮的所以叫做外星人基地可是很聳動的大家看另外這邊的畫面這是2020年這些打蛋機啊 |
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校長,這些打蛋機生鏽,有些都倒到海裡面去了,這會不會造成污染?會啊,這個東西是應該要好好去處理,假如說都已經倒下去了,然後就堆積在那邊沒有人在處理 |
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這是企鵝愛的地方這是養殖地在那邊嘛它造成的污染2020年當然民眾就去檢舉民眾去檢舉所以後來有做了一部分的這個清理我要執行之前前幾天我們就看了一下有做了一部分的清理可是它現在發生很嚴重的 |
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閣下、環境部說他到目前為止這些打彈機這些發電的風力發電機沒有完成土地變更這是閣下沒有取得使用的這個執照那更好玩了我剛問台電喔台電說啊這個打彈機啊是不合法的 |
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是。是不是這樣? |
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這個問題嚴重在哪裡我先講一下那個校長跟那個署長他是2017年2017年就發生問題嘛到目前為止 |
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土地變更還沒過,就是他的使用執照也沒有拿到,然後就丟在這裡了,到了現在看到的是什麼?裡面的生鮮很多都生鮮了,那他應該是個廢棄物啊,那丟在那邊怎麼辦?這個第一個有危險問題嘛,現在紅台天來,有汙染有紅台天怎麼處理? |
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拜訪委員,這個案子如同委員所講的,它本身的程序其實都沒完成所以現在是縣政府,彰化縣政府在做處理,因為土地變更都沒有完成所以它完全都沒有相關的這些電業的相關的證照,對所以現在就是拼在那,拼在那現在先先先先所以它有時候會有污染的掉下來嘛,那民眾就去檢舉可是對 |
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對這個海洋對附近的這個養科的民眾就是不公平了嘛這是要處理那所以我今天執行的重點是什麼校長跟經濟部這到底什麼樣的慣至少 |
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如果有污染問題環境部要去處理嗎?從執行面來講當然環境部是監督的單位這個彰化縣政府環保局應該要積極來處理這一塊那他需要環境部來協助我們非常樂意應該要來主管機關是經濟部對不對還有一個單位土地使用的問題是來進步所以今天本席非常明確的做一個要求3個主管機關 |
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環境部、經濟部跟內政部對於現在大家都在看白天的錢對不對搶著建這一些根本就不合法或者後來本來是合法後來廢棄的很多我們公界的案子是在海邊對不對清水那裡也很多很多以前要賺台幣的錢的做完之後就廢棄的也都非常多或者不能用的很多啊廢棄的就清水那裡就非常多對不對那對於這一種不管在海邊或者清水那裡現在已經沒有用的廢棄的或者是 |
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他已經不再利用了我覺得這三個單位有責任是不是要定一個搞不好應該是一個法是要定一個法律還是要至少有一個要點 |
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給張委員報告這個基本上現在廢青法裡面應該就有這個責任當初設立的他本來就要去負責去清除啦所以社長不是要就是設立一個環境部跟環保局環保局處可以處理對不對是我們要根據那個辦法請地方政府就要去執行的那當然這裡面或許會牽涉到這個經濟部 |
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所以經濟部、能源署的署長就是像這一種你們就不會去買他的電嘛 對不對他是違法的這個發電的設施嘛 不會變網去買這個沒有執照的當然不會買不會買 對不對好我再強調一個點齁這個不是只有在這個外星人基地在彰化在全台灣包括苗栗的青山來全台灣很多剛剛我們的委員不是也提了嗎臺南六甲的這個廢棄光電廠 |
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現在大家急著要賺台電的錢拼命的做這種發電的設施那現在一堆的污染或者一堆都沒有清理的今天本席非常明確的要求有這麼多已經廢棄或者沒有用的請環境部、經濟部跟內政部坐下來好好談一定要擬出一個解決方案可能是訂立法律案那至少要一個要點技術清除好不好不要繼續造成污染好謝謝張委員好謝謝校長、謝謝署長、謝謝朱姓、謝謝 |