| IVOD_ID |
150231 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150231 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-21T11:02:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-21T11:07:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1be549810cdc3052321f3db55c8accce469dd78c507e1b3ff8ba9b0039caa7a6b6542863091eb3de5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:47 - 11:07:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部、農業部、國家發展委員會、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「加速推動再生能源對國土環境之影響及環境影響評估認定標準修訂進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時3分）主席、各位委員，有請環境部部長。 |
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主席：請薛部長。 |
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薛部長富盛：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。目前我整個從臺東或是其他地方來看，有關光電的減少其實很多都是在地的農民反對，不然按照現在相關的法規，真的會非常的浮濫，像臺東池上鄉就反對，我也是第一次聽到要用觀光工廠去蓋光電，這個部分是在台糖的土地上，因為池上鄉的鄉親堅決反對，後來臺東縣政府就把它退件了。我們來看屏東，最嚴重的是屏東，這樣的情況對人民來講，尤其是對農業來講，其實對環境影響很大。現在的環境影響評估法，就條文來講寫得很清楚，環境影響評估的定義是指開發行為或政府政策對環境包括生活環境，生活環境很廣，你要做很寬的解釋也很大，自然環境、社會環境及經濟、文化、生態等可能影響之程度及範圍。 |
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按照現在的規定，在你們今天的報告裡面…… |
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薛部長富盛：這個是子法，它限定得更清楚。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這是子法，認定標準第二十九條有關太陽光電發電的部分，設置太陽光電發電系統只有限制在重要濕地才要做環評，一般農地都不用做環評，但是這個子法實施這麼多年了，你們現在才要去檢討、去修正，請問目前的方向是怎麼樣？ |
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薛部長富盛：跟鄭委員報告，雖然以前只限定重要濕地，但是經濟部能源署事實上是根據設置地面型太陽光電設施景觀及生態環境審定原則去做審核，所以都會考量很多的因素，並不是放任它想設立就設立。針對委員的重點，跟委員報告兩個重點，第一個，未來在地面型光電達到一定規模或者一定面積，就一定會要求要進入環評。第二個，假如太陽光電的設施是在環境敏感地區，譬如國家公園特定的農業用地或野生保護區，這個也要環評，所以將來加嚴的修法就朝這兩個大方向來進行。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以目前的進度是什麼？ |
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薛部長富盛：目前我們已經在擬定草案，希望能夠在7月底前把草案預告，接下來就會召開研商會跟各個團體來共同討論，希望可以儘快完成修法的工作。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我建議要加快。 |
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薛部長富盛：好，我們來努力。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在才3月，你還要到7月，因為這個不是第一次，剛剛我講了現在都是人民反對，像臺東卡地布部落反對，依原基法反對才沒有，不然的話那個地方也是很慘。 |
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薛部長富盛：跟委員報告，我們不只光電，事實上包括地熱，因為地熱也是未來經濟部開發再生能源一個很重要的來源，我們希望整體來做考量，所以才會需要一些時間，不是只有光電而已。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，加油！謝謝。 |
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薛部長富盛：謝謝鄭委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。 |
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接下來請林淑芬委員進行質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請環境部部長、經濟部、農業部、國家發展委員會、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「加速推動
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主席、各位委員有請環境部部長好,請薛部長部長好 |
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委員會主席 |
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農民反對然後才才不然的話按照你現在的相關的這些法規真的是會非常的腐爛像這個以慈善臺東慈善鄉反對 |
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什麼叫觀光工廠我也是第一次聽到因為觀光工廠然後要去蓋光墊所以這個部分在台塘的土地台塘的土地上實際上現在鄉親堅決反對後來台東縣政府就把他退建了我們看這個屏東最嚴重的是屏東 |
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最嚴重這樣的一個情況真的是對人民來講尤其是對農業來講對環境其實是環境影響很大影響很大所以現在的環境影響評估法 |
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就條文來講,寫得很清楚,環境影響評估的定義,開發行為或政府政策對環境包括生活環境。 |
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生活環境很廣嘛。你要做很寬的解釋也很大。自然環境、社會環境及經濟文化生態等可能影響至層數及範圍。所以這個其實是怎麼會 |
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按照你們現在的規定這是你們今天的報告裡面這個是執法對它限定這個執法認定標準第29條對不對你看太陽光電發電設置太陽光電發電系統只有限制在重要的失地才要做環評 |
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給政人報告了齁 |
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就是說雖然以前只限定重要失地但是經濟部能源署事實上他們是有根據設置地面型太陽光電設施景觀及生態環境審定原則去做審核所以都會考量很多的因素啦並不是說方正他想設立就設立不過針對我們的重點跟我們報告兩個重點第一個 |
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就是未來在地面型的光電它達到一定的規模或者一定的面積就一定要要求要進入環評那第二個是說假如這個太陽光電的設施是在這個環境敏感的地區比如說國家公園特定的農業用地或野生保護區這個也要環評所以將來這個加鹽的修法就朝這兩個大方向來進行 |
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所以這個目前的進度是目前我們已經在擬這個草案接下來希望能夠在7月底前把草案預告接下來就會召開研商會跟各個團體來共同討論希望盡快可以把它完成修法的工作 |
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我是建議要加快,因為現在才3月嘛。你要到7月,因為這個不是第一次。現在我講啊,現在都是人民去反對,像那個臺東卡地布部落反對。是依原基法反對才沒有,不然的話那個地方也是很慘了。 |
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給委員報告我們事實上不只光電啦事實上包括地熱因為地熱也是未來經濟部在開發再生能源是一個很重要的地方我們希望說整體來做考量所以才會需要一些時間不是只有光電而已 |