| IVOD_ID |
150209 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150209 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-21T10:06:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-21T10:15:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1be549810cdc305248ab0df081e9d5ebe8dac5750a339bf8f8ba9b0039caa7a61177a1dd1b6395705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:37 - 10:15:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長就「當前供水情勢檢討及因應措施」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時6分）主席、各位委員，請部長。 |
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主席：我們請部長。 |
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王部長美花：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。臺灣水庫因為降雨量在這幾年都不豐沛，各水庫都有很多的問題，在這樣的一個情況之下，我們周邊都是海，我看你們的報告提到在海的部分，淡海計畫才剛開始，是有怎麼樣的一個…… |
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王部長美花：兩個已經在招標中了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對啊！我知道，你們有沒有去瞭解國外的狀況？ |
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賴署長建信：跟委員報告，我們充分的瞭解，我們同仁包括去國外現地參訪，而國外的廠商也來臺灣，我們也跟他們充分交換意見。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，對於環境的影響或是各方面，如果你們有什麼相關的資料也可以提供給我。 |
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賴署長建信：好，沒有問題。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們看今天自來水公司的報告裡面，特別提到自來水供水的普及率，全臺灣是94.91%，但是就原住民地區或者是花東地區的普及率，你們有相關的資料、數字嗎？ |
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李董事長嘉榮：報告委員，我們水公司都有統計。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：再提供喔。 |
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李董事長嘉榮：好，是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們就先看花蓮、臺東兩縣自來水系統的辦理情形。112年除了5個自來水的計畫之外，還有使用花東基金的經費，目前都在進行的當中，花蓮跟臺東都在施工中，這部分要請水利署還有自來水公司積極地來辦理，我也開過協調會去解決縣政府、鄉公所及工廠管理機關所面臨的問題，等一下我也會提出來。但是還有好幾個地方，花蓮縣就有壽豐、富里、瑞穗、玉里，臺東有關山及臺東市都還沒有經費，還要等到第五期，第五期是114年開始嗎？ |
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賴署長建信：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在114年度計畫有提報了嗎？還沒提報嗎？ |
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賴署長建信：正在提報的程序之中，在114年之後的這個計畫，我們經過跟部長報告，我們會從過去的一年差不多15億左右，提升到差不多將近22億左右的額度。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝，這個一定要增加。在0918地震的部分，實際受災的地區目前因為相關的民意、各方面的作業需要花比較多的時間，還在確認相關的用戶清冊，才能夠估算相關的經費，這部分也要請水利署協調縣政府及鄉鎮公所如何加強處理，所以這個經費不足的部分，剛才提到第五期計畫，那會不會繼續跟國發會花東基金來合作？ |
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賴署長建信：第五期的部分先分為兩個大的方向：第一個，提高經費、提高核撥上限的金額門檻；第二個部分是剛剛委員談到的山區簡易自來水的部分，上次在業務報告裡面，部長也有說我們要用比較創新的方法去解決這些部落能不能取用在地的水源，用創新的進水技術來輔導他們，讓他們可以擁有好的水質，這是我們第五期努力的目標。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我認為科技有時候是可以去解決一些困難，尤其是針對已經有簡易自來水的地方，但是一颱風或一下大雨水質就會變污濁，怎麼樣去解決這個部分，如果已經有水源了，怎麼樣在相關的科技方面去試辦，先試辦，如果確實不錯，這個是可以去推動的，好不好？上次我跟部長也有討論過這部分。 |
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因為我上次開這個協調會才瞭解到建築法第七十三條規定的很清楚，直轄市、縣（市）政府認有左列各款情事之一者，得另定建築物接用水、電相關規定。這裡面訂定的四款都非常好，但是各縣市政府訂定的不太一致，以花蓮縣來講，除了這四款之外，還多了一個什麼他們的查報作業程序規定，還有一個樓層、高度、面積是怎麼樣的一個情況，而臺東縣的規定又不一樣，屏東縣的是完全符合建築法規定，沒有增加其他的一些要求。所以這部分就要請經濟部水利署去協調各縣政府，尤其是花蓮縣政府，只要符合建築法第七十三條的規定就可以了，依法行政，好不好？ |
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賴署長建信：好，因為各縣市政府有其單行法規，我們會洽詢縣市政府，因為各縣市政府依照它的居住安全跟城市發展會訂定不同的部分。至於委員建議的意見我們會帶入，反映給縣市政府。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：畢竟飲用水質好的水，尤其是這個地方既然已經有自來水，或是它已經可以做自來水了，相關的這些住戶難免因為很多被受限於相關的法律規範，他們沒有辦法蓋房子，沒有辦法蓋合法的房子，就只好變成違建了，就是這樣，尤其是原鄉，那是因為土地相關這些被列為林業用地或是什麼用地，就沒有辦法蓋，所以這個部分多多協調，好不好？ |
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王部長美花：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席（呂委員玉玲代）：請楊瓊瓔召委質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請經濟部部長就「當前供水情勢檢討及因應措施」進行報告，並備質詢；二、審查113年
度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣自來水股份有限公司。（詢
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主席、各位委員,請部長。我們請部長。委員好,是。部長好。 |
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臺灣水庫因為降雨量在這幾年都不是豐沛所以我們的各水庫都是有很多的問題我們現在就是說在這樣的一個情況之下我們周邊都是海 |
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我看你們的報告,就是對於這個海的部分,淡海計畫才剛開始。 |
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是有怎麼樣的一個...兩個已經在招標中了對啊我知道在...你們有沒有去了解國外的狀況?非常多跟委員報告我們充分的了解然後我們也同仁包括去國外現地參訪然後也跟...包括國內...國外的廠商也在台灣我們也是跟他們充分交換意見好 這個我看這個... |
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對於環境的影響或是怎麼樣各方面如果你們有什麼相關的資料也可以提供沒有問題好我們看今天的自來水公司的報告裡面特別提到這個普吉利自來水供水普吉利全台灣是94.91 |
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但是就原住民第7或者是花東第7的普及率你們有相關的資料嗎?數字說明一下報告委我們水公司都有統計在提供我們就先看花蓮台東兩線的自來水系統的辦理情形那112年 |
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主要這個無自來水的計畫之外還有用這個花東基金的一個經費目前都在進行的當中花蓮跟台東都在施工中這個部分要請這個水利署還有自來水公司那個積極的來辦理我也開過 |
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協調會來去解決這個跟縣政府還有鄉公所還有工廠管理機關所面臨的問題我也開過協調會那等一下我也會提出來 |
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那這個但是還有好幾個地方花蓮縣就有這個壽豐、富里、瑞穗、義里、臺東有關山還有臺東市都還沒有經費還要等到這個第5期 |
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第5期是114開始嗎?對現在那個114的年度的計畫有目前在提報還沒提報嗎?正在提報的程序之中那我們114年之後的這個計畫我們經過跟部長報告我們會從過去的一年差不多15億左右提升到差不多將近22億左右的一個度年。好謝謝齁這個一定要增加齁 |
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那這個0918地震的部分實際受災的地區目前這個因為相關的這些民意各方面的作業比較需要花比較多的時間所以還在確認這個相關的用戶的清澈還有這個才能夠估算相關的經費所以這個部分也要請這個 |
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水利署去協調縣政府還有鄉鎮公所怎麼樣去加強來去做處理所以這個經費部主的部分剛才提了第五期計畫那會不會繼續跟這個國發會花東基金來合作 |
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我們先第五期的部分分為兩個大的方向第一個提高經費然後提高荷波的這個上限的金額門檻 |
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第二個部分是剛剛委員談到的山區檢疫自來水的部分那上次在這個業務報告裡面部長也有說我們要用比較創新的方法去解決這些部落在地的能不能取用在地的水源用創新的淨水技術來輔導他讓他們可以擁有好的這個水質這個是我們第五期努力的目標 |
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確實是我認為科技有時候是可以去解決一些困難,如果說尤其是針對這個已經有這個檢疫自來水的,但是他 |
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一颱風或是一下大雨就會污走的那怎麼樣去解決這個部分它已經有水源了有水源了怎麼去解決這個部分了怎麼樣在相關的科技方面已經如果已經有了怎麼樣去試辦先試辦如果這確實不錯這個是可以去推動的好不好 |
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好上次那個我也跟部長有討論過這個部分好所以這個部分好我們現在好我上次開協調會這個建築法第73條我是這因為上次開這個協調會才瞭解到這個建築法第73條他規定的很清楚這個 |
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只想要視縣市政府任由佐列各款情勢之一者得另訂建築物皆用水相關規定。這裡面訂的這四款都非常好,但是有的縣市政府訂的不太一致。以花蓮縣來講,除了這四款之外, |
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太多了一個什麼一個他們的一個查報一個一個一個作業程序的規定然後呢還有一個樓層面高度還有面積還有這個怎麼樣的一個情況所以就臺中縣就一個規定又不一樣平東縣平東縣的完全符合建築法的規定了他就沒有增加其他的 |
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的一些要求所以這個部分就要請這個經濟部水利署去協調各縣政府尤其是花蓮縣政府去協調怎麼樣能夠只要符合建築法73條的一個這個建築法73條就可以了嘛依法行政了好不好 |
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好 這個因為各縣市政府他擔心法規我們會洽詢縣市政府那因為各個縣市政府依照他的居住安全跟城市的發展他會有訂不同的部分那至於委員建議的意見我們會帶入然後反映給縣市政府因為畢竟這個引用 |
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這個水質好的水尤其是既然這個地方已經有自來水然後這個貨車它已經可以做自來水了然後相關的這些住戶難免因為很多的這個那個被受限於這個相關的那個法律的規範了他們要辦法蓋房子 |
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好,謝謝。 好。 |