| IVOD_ID |
150128 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150128 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-20T11:02:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-20T11:14:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b8deaa01a2e7f1929b08582dd377808d2c38239db8676b4ff8ba9b0039caa7a6704f2c54beaedf775ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃秀芳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:04 - 11:14:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長、衛生福利部、教育部就「落實職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實雇主責任」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、教育部就「完善職場育兒環境及托育人員專業職能、工作倫理及職業道德之培訓策進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】
【3月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,我們請那個次長李次長。好,李次長請。 |
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委員好市長好市長我相信這幾個禮拜大家一直在討論就是我們的這個托育的環境那我想請教就是說在去年這個總統跟立委選舉的時候我相信不論是總統候選人或者是立委這個候選人都有提出很多的有關的這個托育的政策那我想請教就是說 |
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有關我們目前的這個育兒的相關的政策,衛福部這邊也很多,有的是補助,可能就是補助,那這個補助其實剛剛很多委員就是說臺灣這樣少子化,其實如果說一直是用補助的方式,可以解決這個少子化的問題嗎? |
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經濟壓力的問題在我們相關的一個調查還是那個年輕父母親很重視的一個部分所以我們當然是透過整個 |
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經濟補助減輕家長負擔﹚我們看到衛福部這邊也補助了不論是從0到2歲或2到4歲甚至在幼兒園的時候其實都有補助當然這個補助對年輕朋友來講應該多多少少有一些注意我看到我們的生育率還是很低 |
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那感覺好像也是沒有起色啊那去年還剩下13萬這每一年都一直在減少那你們針對除了補助之外你們有什麼樣的政策可以讓年輕人覺得說政府來減輕他的經濟負擔之外那整個這個托育的這個環境也改善讓他願意生趕生 |
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在整個托育這個的部分的話,我想除了那個托育補助之外,其實我們都很積極地在佈建所謂的公共化跟準公共化,因為究竟讓父母親可以究竟就找到品質好的一個托育的一個 |
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一個場域其實也是非常重要那另外其實也跟勞動部一直在推動職場那如果有有可以讓父母親帶著孩子一起去上班這也是對年輕的這些父母親來講也是會一個有幫助的一個地方我想說怎麼樣子把托育資源佈建得更完整這個部分我們會持續來努力那最近的一個少子女化的一個檢討可能在看到就是說我們年輕人可能不是不敢生而已 |
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結婚的結婚率也收下降。」對,所以怎麼樣子鼓勵我們的年輕的朋友。那你們怎麼鼓勵?我看出來好像你們提出來的政策好像對這個也沒有什麼幫助啊。反而每一年結婚,結婚率也低,然後出生率也低。那我不知道說那未來 |
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這個部分因為整個少子女化對策是行政院這邊有政委在做跨部會的一個協調那確實我們現在各部會也都在繼續的在繼續的演繹滾動的修正是看到說怎麼樣子可以再來鼓勵例如說婚育的這件事情有什麼樣的措施那這個部分其實在行政院都有一個會議持續的在座討論當中還有就是說哪些方面還可以再減輕 |
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父母親的負擔,都有在做檢討。」 |
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有感而發。」就像年輕人他也許會覺得說那萬一我碰到這樣的保姆要怎麼辦那我其實我在這邊也要提出就是說其實保姆應該要有退場機制如果說第一時間像這個保姆他第一時間有的要把自己的小孩就是交給他他也會去看這個保姆的環境嘛那如果說這個保姆的環境這個整個居家環境不好整個這個環境空間 |
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不夠或整個保姆的態度或種種你們應該有一個評鑑的機制那如果在第一線如果說去評鑑之後如果說是不好的話應該就是要讓他就是第一個也許可以改善的就改善不能改善應該就是要讓他退場 |
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其實都有這個機制就是縣市政府都要去平和然後有發生什麼樣的問題因為其實保姆要拿到這個可以職業的話他的環境也是要經過檢核通過才可以那為什麼這個保姆會有 |
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這個有的新手爸爸媽媽會說這個他的環境是不好的那如果他的環境是不好的為什麼他還可以擔任保姆他的環境不好我們在上次跟縣市的檢討會議當中台北市有說明說他們看到那個環境不好是因為本來孩子的收托的環境其實是在一樓一樓因為他那時候收了兩個孩子那一個孩子就是死亡一個孩子還在 |
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收托當中,因為發生這件事情,這個保姆把他移到三樓,那個三樓本來就不是合可的托育的一個環境,那個環境確實是比較…那是不是未來也是要有這個不可以預警式的去說你們要去…對,本來就是應該是無預警式的,對。那為什麼這個之前還會有這樣的一個狀況,就是還會打電話去預… |
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這個慘痛的這樣的一個案例我們希望說未來真的要從這方面該改善的真的要去落實其實我覺得說落實是最重要的你們如果說一年一年都有這個至少有4次的訪視那這個說出這個出養的這個機構他還有一年12次的這個訪視那為什麼還會有這樣的一個這個兒虐的案例來發生 |
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那時候我覺得說可能執行方面要真的要非常的落實那另外我剛剛有這個次長有特別提到就是說要怎麼樣讓年輕人感生、感養讓他有一個好的這個托育環境那剛剛次長有特別提到說我們現在有總公共化或者是這個非營利幼兒園那公托那其實我們也看到很多有加入總公共化的這個幼兒園 |
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這個加入總公共化的幼兒園其實有的有的原本可能他的體質不是那麼好那後來因為他有加入這個總公共化之後就讓他可以再繼續營運下去那我想請教就是說針對這樣的這些幼兒園加入我們的這個總公共化幼兒園之後原本他可能體質就已經不好了那你們後面你們要怎麼讓他可以 |
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就是接受你們的補助之後,那它可以整個品質可以提升。不能……委員是要問幼兒園還是托嬰中心?幼兒園。幼兒園,那就請教育部。 |
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就這邊跟委員說明一下就是我們準公務員基本上他加入以後基本上縣市政府他還是要有一個督導的角色那我們基本上每一年都會給準公務員他有一些相關的補助可以役助他一些設施設備讓他可以改善他整體的一個環境那當然也會去做一個定期的檢核那因為目前也是坊間也是很多一直在反映說準公務員有一些違規的狀況那所以這個部分我們其實都會請縣地方政府再去加強去做後續的一個查核 |
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所以我覺得說加入這個總公共化之後其實你們也要有一個評鑑的機制啊你們不能就是讓他這樣子我覺得有很多他原本就是在還沒有加入總公共化之前他可能快要撐不下去了那後來加入總公共化之後他可以繼續營運那他的環境他的品質有的可能沒有再沒有提升 |
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那有的可能巧立名目又跟家長額外收費那類似這樣的一個狀況我覺得教育部這邊應該也要有一些機制好如果說他真的做得不好的話應該也要有退場有我們目前都有退場要件是那現在目前其實也有一些比方說他可能違規收費那基本上我們也是有一個申訴專線那如果都是隨時隨時收到我們就隨時會請進去做查核這個部分我們其實一直在處理是好那最後 |
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主席,再給我一分鐘的時間,我請部長,好不好?好,來,許部長請 |
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黃委員好部長好部長其實在這個之前有很多人在提出說要延長這個托育時間那這個也這個延長托育時間到底是好或者是不好那這樣是不是反而是顯現出來就是說我們的這個勞動環境是不好的因為可能很多家長他就是需要加班那他的孩子沒辦法照顧所以就是要延長這個托育時間 |
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所以我不知道說是不是請部長回答一下這個部分當然對於照顧的人來講他因為延長他等於是加班那對於整個他的 |
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公使來講當然就會受影響所以我是不是可以要求就是說我是覺得他應該是如果是這樣這種情形他可能要必須多聘人我意思是說如果家長有這個需求那他可能 |
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增聘人力,看怎麼做一些調節。」所以我們現在一直在講說這個延長托育時間有的可能托育家長可能要加班有的加班到八、九點那再把小孩帶回去其實跟小孩接觸的時間真的是非常的少 |
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孩子回去之後可能洗完澡之後就要睡覺了所以跟家長的這個相處的時間非常的少所以我們是不是也要從勞動部這方面也要去鼓勵我們的企業主可能要讓我們的這個員工可能要有彈性工時那另外就是說也要鼓勵他們這個準時下班這個部分當然我們會來呼籲雇主就是說 |
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在工作時間上盡量,尤其有育兒的勞工,讓他們有彈性的工作時間,也能增加跟小孩相處的機會。從這方面我們會來努力,跟雇主來做呼籲。 |
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以兒童最佳利益來考量。」 |