| IVOD_ID |
150044 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150044 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T15:38:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T15:51:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733afa40c4e44e838bb825cd79889bed64eaf8ba9b0039caa7a6e040c9255cff6fc05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:38:57 - 15:51:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部、法務部、內政部警政署就「社會安全網推動情形及策進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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2008 |
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賴委員士葆：（15時39分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請薛部長。 |
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主席：請部長。 |
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薛部長瑞元：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長你好，辛苦了。幾件事情請教你，第一個，陳建仁院長前幾天說因為蘇丹紅的事件，所以要成立食安檢驗基金，外界覺得這是疊床架屋，因為你們已經有食安基金。食安檢驗基金和食安基金有什麼地方不一樣？ |
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薛部長瑞元：食安基金的用途是針對有團體訴訟時，可以給予法律上的補助，第二個是給縣市政府在研究方面的…… |
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賴委員士葆：兩者有什麼區別？本席的時間有限，請簡短說明。 |
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薛部長瑞元：食安檢驗基金主要的目的，第一，如果廠商願意自主檢查，因為檢查費用很高…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們不是有食藥署嗎？為什麼還要這個基金呢？ |
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薛部長瑞元：主要是他們如果要自主檢查的話，因為費用可能比較高，所以希望有一個基金可以補助。 |
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賴委員士葆：食藥署呢？食藥署的角色是什麼？ |
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薛部長瑞元：所有的檢查就是食藥署在做，這是廠商自主檢查的部分。 |
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賴委員士葆：食安檢驗基金什麼時候開始運作？規模多大？ |
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薛部長瑞元：這個部分還沒有討論。 |
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賴委員士葆：等討論完，520都到了，520之後你還在任嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：不知道。 |
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賴委員士葆：是啊！所以陳建仁就是丟一個煙霧彈，他的用意很清楚。因為現在距離520大概只剩2個月的時間，他卻在這時候丟出這個議題，其實到現在為止，這件事情連八字都沒一撇。 |
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薛部長瑞元：這個部分其實可以在食安基金管理委員會中討論。 |
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賴委員士葆：是啊！所以為什麼要由一個大院長來宣布？本席覺得這很弔詭。請問你，現在發現不只是辣椒粉有問題，包括辣油、白胡椒粉、沙茶醬都含有蘇丹紅，這個問題就像水銀瀉地，到處都有蘇丹紅。你同意這句話嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：應該不盡然啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：不然呢？ |
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薛部長瑞元：現在是循線追查下去，許多後端的…… |
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賴委員士葆：幾乎都有啊！請你告訴本席什麼東西沒有？ |
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薛部長瑞元：例如委員說的沙茶醬，不是每一個廠牌的沙茶醬都有啦！當然，如果沒有添加的這些廠商願意去做…… |
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賴委員士葆：部長，如果吃到蘇丹紅，最大的副作用是什麼？什麼時候會發作？會得癌症嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：其實並沒有研究報告證實是否會致癌。 |
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賴委員士葆：可是為什麼大家那麼害怕？如果是這樣的話，根本就不用怕，薛部長保證沒有事，大家儘管吃。這樣不就好了？ |
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薛部長瑞元：它是曾經針對動物的部分研究的時候…… |
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賴委員士葆：有致癌的可能。 |
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薛部長瑞元：有這個可能性，至於人的部分，目前並沒有這方面的研究。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在大家聽到蘇丹紅就很害怕，而且我們老實不客氣的說，薛部長帶領的衛福部團隊，到現在為止給大家的感覺就是看到蘇丹紅就舉白旗投降，因為沒有辦法查，邊境管理都是事後處理，加強檢驗也是本來就應該做的。為什麼到現在為止，你們就是一副…… |
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現在內閣不是過渡內閣，而是擺爛內閣、無政府狀態，蘇丹紅就是最好的無政府狀態的寫實。你同意吧？ |
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薛部長瑞元：第一個，我必須承認當初在做邊境把關時，警戒升級的速度太慢。 |
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賴委員士葆：疏忽了！這是你們的責任。 |
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薛部長瑞元：是，是我們的責任。那時候的反應不夠快，結果讓部分產品進入市場。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候知道的？ |
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薛部長瑞元：因為5月時開始發現有…… |
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賴委員士葆：去年5月。 |
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薛部長瑞元：因為發現辣椒粉裡面有蘇丹紅，之後我們是先增加抽批的比例，應變速度的確太慢了！ |
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賴委員士葆：所以本席剛才說了，現在是一個擺爛政府、無政府狀態，你同意嘛！對不對？或者你不敢否認。 |
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薛部長瑞元：不是的，嚴格來說不是擺爛，本來的規範就是逐步升級。 |
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賴委員士葆：你還是沒有否認本席的話。好啦！沒關係，我們跳到第二題。現在的虐兒事件，本席看了真的很難過，怎麼會有人這麼殘忍、心這麼狠地虐待孩子致死，這樣的人該抓去槍斃好幾次。你是否贊成死刑？虐兒致死事件是否應該處以死刑？你是念法律的，你贊不贊成？ |
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薛部長瑞元：在現行刑法中，它是有判死刑的可能性。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是在法令中，目前虐兒致死只有無期徒刑。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：有！2019年修的。 |
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薛部長瑞元：如果是惡意的話，它本來就是故意殺人的一種啦！不會只有無期徒刑。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你贊成判處死刑？ |
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薛部長瑞元：本來他…… |
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賴委員士葆：本席是問你，是否贊成這樣的事情必須判處死刑？ |
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薛部長瑞元：它就是第二百七十一條裡面的殺人罪。 |
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賴委員士葆：本席是和你討論刑法第二百八十六條。 |
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薛部長瑞元：對，但是它沒有排除第二百七十一條的殺人…… |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！本席先問你，你是否贊成虐兒致死者應該處以死刑？ |
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薛部長瑞元：不是每一個案子都是一樣的處理方式。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以有些可以不必這樣處理？ |
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薛部長瑞元：一定要經過調查，不然要法院做什麼？當然是要先經過調查。 |
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賴委員士葆：都已經致死，很明顯是故意的，這一點已經成立。 |
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薛部長瑞元：對啊！但是包括惡意的程度、因果關係等等，都必須經過法院審判。 |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！如果更進一步，是非常惡意的N次方，因而讓小孩子致死，你是否贊成死刑？以最惡意、最壞的狀況來說。 |
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薛部長瑞元：依照現在的法律規定可以判處。 |
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賴委員士葆：本席是問你是否贊成。 |
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薛部長瑞元：你不要問這個問題，我個人的意願沒有辦法影響判決。 |
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賴委員士葆：本席就問你，你是部長耶！ |
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薛部長瑞元：對，但是我個人的想法不能影響司法。 |
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賴委員士葆：惡意虐兒致死可以說是人神共憤、社會共憤，難道這時候你還不敢站出來講一句：我以部長的高度，我絕對贊成死刑。這句話你都不敢說？部長，你太冷血啦！ |
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薛部長瑞元：因為以部長的高度，不應該去做這種判斷，我們有司法系統，我不能…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以不能判斷？為什麼會這樣？難道你今天早上的道歉是假的嗎？也是因為你們管理不善，所以你們才會為這件事情道歉。 |
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薛部長瑞元：對啊！但這兩者有什麼關係？ |
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賴委員士葆：既然道歉了，就代表這件事情很不好，因為你們處理得不好，所以才要道歉，不是嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：對，是很不好啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：這種人難道不是惡意的嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：當然是有惡意。 |
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賴委員士葆：難道不是罪大惡極嗎？這樣你還不敢說，實在是可憐啊！ |
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薛部長瑞元：就我們的了解，的確可能是罪大惡極，但最後的判斷還是應該經過司法審判。 |
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賴委員士葆：你認為中央必須負擔多少責任？五五開、六四開？ |
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薛部長瑞元：大家都有責任。 |
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賴委員士葆：比例是多少？五五嗎？ |
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薛部長瑞元：這個沒有辦法量化啦！委員，你也知道啊！這怎麼量化？ |
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賴委員士葆：沒有量化也沒有關係，但是你們最惡劣的是，臺北市報一個案例，就是兒少通報，結果你們馬上說臺北市出現兩件虐兒事件，你們就是在帶風向嘛！部長，不能這樣啦！ |
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薛部長瑞元：他們是說兒少保護的通報，我們並沒有定調，我們說…… |
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賴委員士葆：你們就寫「疑」，這是你們自己寫的啊！ |
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薛部長瑞元：我們說「疑」，當然就是有可能啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：你們怎麼可以直接下定論。本席為什麼關心這件事？因為…… |
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薛部長瑞元：不然經過剴剴這個事件，大家又會說我們沒有定見。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個關愛之家就在本席的選區，實情不是你們說的那樣。因為本席沒有時間了，但相關情況本席掌握得很清楚，他就是一個移工的小孩，就住在本席選區文山區的關愛之家。 |
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薛部長瑞元：其中一個啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：對啦！就是那一個，你們說那是虐兒事件，但是連里長都不贊同這種說法。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有啦！那是死亡的個案。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啦！但是沒有外傷。 |
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薛部長瑞元：死亡的個案，所以現在就要查原因嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：為什麼本席今天會問你？因為文山區的里長打電話給本席，他也是聯誼會的會長，關愛之家就在文山區里長聯誼會會長管轄的里內，他說衛福部部長亂說，他叫我一定要來講，你在亂說。 |
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薛部長瑞元：我從來沒有說那是兒虐案件。 |
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賴委員士葆：但你們說「疑」，你們應該連「疑」都不能說，對不對？而且你們有責任…… |
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薛部長瑞元：不然要怎麼說？說不是兒虐嗎？我能夠這樣說嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：你為什麼要提兒虐呢？臺北市政府跟你們兒少通報後，你就接受啊！你就說你們在進行調查，這樣就好了嘛！ |
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薛部長瑞元：對，現在本來就在調查。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是你們卻給這件事戴個帽子，還說疑似。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有啦！這是欲加之罪啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：里長要欲加你之罪嗎？這麼多的里長。 |
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薛部長瑞元：沒有啦！因為他們通報，所以我們就要調查啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：可見你的仇恨值很高，連里長都很討厭你。最後一個問題，因為時間到了。現在健保點數是一點換零點幾元？ |
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薛部長瑞元：如果計算到最後，大概都在0.9元左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以調成1元？ |
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薛部長瑞元：這要總額預算制度都推翻才有可能。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啦！本席知道，但是本席接到很多陳情，大家覺得點數不好記，直接用錢計算比較好，對不對？ |
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薛部長瑞元：但是總額預算制度就是這樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以改？有沒有時間表？ |
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薛部長瑞元：可能要修法。 |
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賴委員士葆：本席一直有個疑問，520之後你會不會留下來？雖然你屬於新潮流派系，留下來的機會很大。 |
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薛部長瑞元：和這個無關。 |
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賴委員士葆：就這兩件很荒謬的事情，過渡內閣不應該做一些比較大的改變，食安檢驗基金不應該由過渡政府啟動。第二個，你現在開口閉口說，包括點數等等都要修法或做什麼的，一副你要留任的樣子，當然，在野黨站在競爭的角度，我們歡迎你留下來，因為你的仇恨值不小，謝謝。 |
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薛部長瑞元：健保點數調成1元的確是要修法，這是絕對沒有錯。委員的意思是我不應該提修法？ |
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賴委員士葆：我沒有這麼說，我哪裡…… |
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薛部長瑞元：對啊！因為你說重大的事情不能…… |
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賴委員士葆：本席已經不說話了，但你還一直說，是你在拖延我們的時間。 |
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主席：部長先回去休息。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要提的是，因為醫界有這樣的聲音，本席希望你們能聽到，而且你們修法根本就來不及，因為你們還要層層開會，除非520之後你要留下來。本席的重點是社會普遍都是討厭你的聲音，你留下來是國家的災難，可是我們在野黨會鼓掌，本席的重點是這個，請你聽清楚。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢。 |
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接下來請張雅琳。張雅琳、張雅琳委員不在。 |
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請郭昱晴委員進行質詢。 |
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邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部、法務部、內政部警政署就「社會安全網推動情形及策進作為」進
行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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謝謝主席,以及各位先進有請薛部長好,請部長幾件事情請教你,第一個有關於這個 |
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陳建仁部長前幾天說院長為了要為了蘇戴隆的事件說要成立食安檢驗基金外界覺得就是疊從家戶而且你已經有食安基金了你這個食安檢驗基金跟食安基金什麼不一樣?什麼地方不一樣?食安基金目前本來在做的就是說 |
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這些錢可以做什麼?對於有這種團體輸送的時候可以給他法律上面的一些補助那第二個就是給縣市政府在一些研究上面的話區別什麼區別?但是食安檢驗基金聽起來的話主要是這廠商如果他願意自主檢查阿我們不是有食藥主人嗎?為什麼還有這個基金? |
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主要是說他要自主檢查的話那可能就是說這一個費用是比較高的所以他們希望說有一個基金來做補助基金來做補助?阿食藥署勒?食藥署叫食藥署勒?食藥署都檢查就是食藥署在做的我們講的是廠商如果要做自主檢查你這個食安檢驗基金什麼時候要開始運作?規模多大?這個部分還沒有討論阿討論完都50,000啊 |
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阿520之後你還在?我們在蛤?是啊所以這個東西陳建仁是丟一個煙霧彈阿 |
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很清楚看得到啊因為這個距離520的時間大概兩個月520差不多兩個月的時間丟出這個東西到現在你八字沒一撇啊這個其實是在食安基金管理的這個所謂的委員會裡面的話可以去做的是啊為什麼要有一個大院長來宣布我覺得這裡面呢很弔詭我就請問你我這樣的一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
146.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
150.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
因為現在發現不是只有這個蘇丹榮現在看到的時候蠟油、紅紅的、白胡椒粉也有沙茶醬也有幾乎像水銀瀉地到處都有蘇丹榮我講這句話同意嗎應該不盡然了所以現在就是說因為循線著這個追查下去的話會到許多後面幾乎都有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
173.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
191.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
你什麼地方沒有你告訴我不是你告訴我你告訴我比方說委員講說這一個所謂的莎莎醬不是每一個廠牌的莎莎醬都有所以當然如果他沒有加的這些廠牌廠商的話他就願意要去做這個部長啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
192.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
210.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
吃到蘇德隆最大的副作用是什麼?什麼時候會發作?這個部分他的癌症是否會治癌其實並沒有在這一個研究的報告出來可是為什麼每天都不洗如果這樣子的話我根本就說不用怕我學部長保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
211.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
212.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
而且衛福部老實不客氣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
236.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
251.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
學業部長帶領的衛福部團隊到現在為止給人家感覺就是看到蘇丹龍就舉牌起投降因為沒辦法查什麼邊境管理都是事後啦加強檢驗那個都知道本來就知道為什麼會到現在為止你們就是一副這個內閣變成一個不是你說過度內閣不是過度內閣喔白爛內閣喔無政府狀態喔蘇丹龍就是最好的無政府狀態的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
264.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
267.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我必須要承認說當初在邊境把關那個升級的速度太慢反應不夠快結果讓有部分的產品就跑到因為五月的時候開始發現說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
290.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
293.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
所以你還是沒有否認我講的話啦好啦沒關係啦我們就調第二題來這個現在來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
319.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
324.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
這個本來就是在現行的刑法裡面他就是有這死刑的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
347.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
367.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
沒有啦有!119年修的!如果是惡意的話他本來就是故意殺人的一種啦不會說只有無期徒刑所以你贊成死刑?我問你贊不贊成對這樣事情死刑?他就是221條286我跟妳講286 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
370.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
386.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
刑法282 但是他沒有排除271條的殺人法我先問你 你贊不贊成 內核致死的案犯者應該要死刑 贊不贊成沒有說每一個案子都一樣的一個處理所以有些可以這樣處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
388.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
399.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
蛤?阿一定致死了!你故意!你已經成立!惡意!還有成立喔!好啦!阿如果!那再進一步!最惡意的情況!惡意!非常惡意!非常惡意的N字房!然後讓小孩子致死!你正不正的實行? |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
413.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
437.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
最惡意、最壞依照現在法律規定是可以判處可以判處?你贊不贊成?我問你啊你不要問我這個問題這個我個人的意願沒有辦法去影響到這個問題你是部長餒對,但是我個人的想法不能夠去影響到整個的惡意的虐兒致死以及人神共憤、社會共憤這個時候你難道不敢講一句說我與部長的一個高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
441.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
445.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
我絕對贊成死刑這一句話你都不敢講你太冷血啦這個因為部長的高度不應該去做這種判斷所以不能判斷因為他為什麼會這樣子有一個司法系統在那邊你今天早上難道你道歉道歉假的啊也是因為你們管理不善你已經對這個事情道歉了你已經對這個事情道歉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
467.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
468.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
中央地方的責任你認為多少開?五五開?六四開?多少開?你跟我講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
495.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
512.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
大家都有責任嗎?這個沒辦法去做量化委員你也知道啊這怎麼量化我跟你講沒有量化沒有關係但是你們最惡劣的是臺北市就報一個說北市兒少通報結果你們馬上說臺北市出來兩個孽兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
519.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
523.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
你們帶風向啊!部長!不能這樣子啦!兒少保護的通報!那我們並沒有說...兒少保護的通報!移啊!你們就先移一次!你自己寫啊!你怎麼可以這樣子就下定論?我為什麼關心這個事? |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
535.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
543.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
因為這兩個這個關愛之家在我的選區情況不是你講那個樣子情況我沒有時間了情況我掌握得很清楚他就是一個移工的小孩在關愛之家就在文山區的選區裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
557.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
565.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
對啦就是那個你敢說你敢說你敢說是虐兒這東西里長都反對阿對啦阿就不愛上阿就不愛上那個你講這個我為什麼今天已經問你因為我的里長打電話給我喔不是我的里長文山區的里長他也是聯議會的會長 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
579.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
599.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
國外職交就在文山區的一個里長連理會會長的那個里裡面他說衛生、衛生、衛生部的部長軟骨叫我一天來講你叫軟骨,你就軟骨我從來沒說那些事你現在說啊,不能講,你都不能講啊你有責任就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
601.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
605.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
不是嗎?不是額內嗎?我能夠這樣講嗎?你為什麼要提額內呢?你就按照人家臺北市政府給你通報就是額哨的額哨通報你就接受你說我們要調查的話你不這樣子你就戴個帽子噢噢噢 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
620.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
620.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
最後一個時間到了齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
634.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
651.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
你現在的健保點數1點換幾塊錢?0點幾?如果計算到最後的話大概都要0.90.9左右啦齁?什麼時候可以到1塊錢?這要整個的總額預算制度要翻掉才有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
653.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
654.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
總的說預算次數底下就這樣子什麼時候可以時間表 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
670.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
670.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
賴士葆 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
692.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
696.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
建保一塊錢這次這次要修法是絕對沒有錯那我的意思是說我不應該提修法好 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
720.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
721.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
社會對你普遍是討厭你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
748.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
748.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
賴士葆 |