| IVOD_ID |
150037 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150037 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T14:02:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T14:14:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733a1485d33db424b8ea25cd79889bed64eaf8ba9b0039caa7a617b6f3aed10b788e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:02:58 - 14:14:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部、法務部、內政部警政署就「社會安全網推動情形及策進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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進行諮詢謝謝主席 有請部長好 請薛部長部長好部長您應該聽過原家中心對它的全名是原住民族家庭服務中心是 |
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這個園家中心它是園民會所設置的已經設置26年而且現在都會加園鄉已經有64處的園家中心那過去還沒有被納入社會安全網的時候其實大家都會說園家中心跟社安網的關係叫做網中網 |
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因為他設立的一個目標就是要去針對我們部落原住民福利資訊跟資源整合不足所形成的障礙那些被漏接的地方像危險管沒燒的地方他等於是在部落去擔負起這樣的一個責任首先我要特別感謝衛福部因為過去由原民會來設置其實經費很拮据很辛苦 |
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那謝謝,我們是預定在2025年要納入社安網對不對?應該是明年吧今年會先納入今年是送到行政院了嗎?對那已經合訂了嗎?還沒還沒合訂,那目前在衛福部嗎?送到行政院已經送進行政院了嗎?還沒 |
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還在修正計畫嗎?好那今天我來就是要來去做一些提醒為什麼?因為我今天我看到我們的專報裡面有社安網第二期計畫112年針對今年度的資源不見情形重要推動成果策進作為我都沒有看見關於原家中心轉型納入社安網的一個說明那我為什麼要這樣講因為 |
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其實有很多的母機構 很多的原家中心的督導 很多的社工的這些教授專家還有這一些關心的人 他們跟我陳情很久了 |
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因為他們很高興大家都高興原家中心終於要納入社安網不但經費可以變多人力的配置應該也會變多我們都很高興但是大家憂心的是什麼 |
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人心惶惶聽說會不會納入到縣市政府底下那這個就很需要跟大家來做說明部長您曾經待過地方政府我們的屏東有9個原鄉你做過那裡的衛生局長你應該很了解 |
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我們做原建法其實最重要的納入的精神就是文化安全文化敏感度很重要那如果我們納入一般縣市政府的體制下他會變成說他的工作模式像一般在社福中心然後針對那些脆弱家庭然後比較針對個案開案可是呢原家中心這二三十年他在地方你應該很了解他是在部落 |
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他是整個部落的關係他不會針對個案他會知道個案在部落裡面他跟親友的關係然後他擔負一個很重要的使命對於很多我們的政策福利的政策也好他都可以用在地的語言親近的語言去代表政府來去做這些宣導所以他這樣的一個工作模式我們就是比較要提醒因為目前問原民會也好 |
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他大概只有報經費報大原則可是完全都看不出他未來的工作模式到底是怎麼樣所以大家都很擔心害怕所以至少我們會知道說必須要維持他的文化性跟他的主體性因為大家都說我們這些年好不容易我們在回頭找部落的照顧模式 |
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可是如果制度國家的制度一進來介入又把他破壞掉這個是大家憂心的還有他的開案指標的訂定 |
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他到底他的KPI怎麼樣還有他社工人力的配置那轉型的之後他的職能教育訓練怎麼做等等我在這個地方就是想要請衛福部幫忙一下因為很多人關心而且呢看不到看不見也沒有一個具體的說明所以我就代為在這個地方提出這樣的提醒那因為目前是修正嘛 |
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兩週內去回答當然是可以但是這回答可能不完全為什麼因為現在方向上面就是要把原家中心納入到社安網出去這個是決定 |
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因為你們是審查單位 |
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所以你們的意思就是說會完全尊重原民會所提出來的規劃 |
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阿最後是行政院那邊去做決定內容是由行政院來做決定這是第二點那第三點的話那委員提到說這樣會不會干擾到這一個原來的那說這個社安網說交給縣市政府是因為現在這整個的系統如果要納進來的話這裡面 |
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就變成他是一個社福中心的角色那社福中心他有公權力行使的問題那你如果說現在當然原價中心所以這個就是我們要提醒的地方對啊但是沒有辦法你如果要有公權力行使的話你必須要具備公權力行使的資格 |
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這是沒有辦法,所以不能說我要希望說能夠有好處﹖那部長,這個就是我下一個部分要講的問題因為我們就知道會有這樣的原因,就是說按照規定按照規定我舉一個例子齁,因為今天是來討論嘛那我就講這個凱凱事件,我以原住民來講齁,這是真實的案例啦 |
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這個孩子呢109年10月出生那目前是4歲那他的父母因為養不起所以他的孩子就分別交給不同的親戚那這個親戚呢 |
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他在凱凱出生幾個月的時候他就帶回去照顧一直到今天可是等到這個孩子不是凱凱我口誤但是這個孩子他3歲的時候他就決定要做收養也去跟法院申請要收養 |
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但是呢地方法院回覆他就是要按照一個收出養的這個辦法所以這個兒少收養認可的調查法是評估報告好結果呢他呢建議他要去做機構的媒合 |
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可是他說他這個兩次去跟這個媒合中心聯繫他最後他覺得他沒有辦法因為他是六親等以外他是六親等以外所以被駁回那又後來呢媒合中心說要到媒合中心可是他知道媒合中心不會配給他所以呢他又希望地方法院判給他可是目前就是第二次駁回 |
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還是一樣法院上面載明寫著還是要依照兒少法的規定就是第16條因為他沒有符合那現在我就是要跟您說這個就是很麻煩的地方因為他是布農族這個布農族 |
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他們是一個家族、氏族的一個概念我浪費一點點時間跟您說明一下每一個族群他都有不同的照顧模式那這個布農族他們是這樣他們是同一個家族可以分散到臺東、南投、高雄可是部長我跟您說當他們殺豬的時候他們同一個家名叫Dakis William這個家族他就算殺豬的時候 |
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他是高雄人他要分到台東的親人分到南投的親人跟他隔壁的鄰居不是同一個家族就算是隔壁鄰居也分不到豬肉他們是這樣子去確保他們的親屬關係那我現在要說的就是這個的確是他的家人 |
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這個小孩的媽媽跟這個收養人他們的曾祖父曾祖母是親兄妹但是跟這個孩子就七親等就脫離了我們法制規定的六親等那現在偏偏要弄一個收出養的評估報告 |
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那我就是希望說我們現在原件法都已經納入文化安全的概念是不是我們這個收出養的評估報告也要有文化安全的概念啊要修一下嘛至少要跟那些人講嘛是不是然後另外就是要檢討這個媒合機制為什麼這個家長很生氣 |
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他說兩次都叫他要去跟媒合中心聯繫他就不要啊那我寧可不要我繼續照顧好了就算這個孩子沒有登記在我名下反正我就照顧到他長大他怎麼會願意孩子去給外面的人帶呢 |
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可是按照法規就不行而且在部落裡面這些親戚是整個部落一起養這個孩子也不會出現問題所以我在這邊就是希望說這個部分我們原建法已經有納入文化安全所以呢我覺得該修的地方 |
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就是檢討媒合的機制要有族群的一個概念進來收出養的評估報告也希望去做一個檢討好不好那所以因為時間到我是希望說第一個我希望衛福部就會同原民會啦兩週內就是將原家中心納入社安網提出一個衝擊影響評估報告過去的母機構陪伴二三十年怎麼辦 |
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阿為了一個公權力這個是國家的制度我要講的就是這個其實每一個族群都有他不同的一個照顧模式我覺得我們要尊重如果我們一直在硬邦邦的法制底下去思考問題我們會把好不容易建立起來的東西又破壞掉那也希望這個報告裡面針對人力配置經費編制工作模式我希望兩週內就一起提出報告好不好 |
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