| IVOD_ID |
150004 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150004 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T11:54:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T12:06:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733ab3638a1939fdff293919bba56314a630f8ba9b0039caa7a60d930ff7604c75255ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:33 - 12:06:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「為維護偵查程序之順利進行及真實發現，並兼顧人權維護，如何落實偵查不公開原則及相關流程缺失之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（11時54分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，先請一下司法院的黃副秘書長。 |
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主席：請副秘書長上台。 |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：副秘書長好。最近我看到司法院大法官說要對廢死的事情進行辯論。 |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候要辯論？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：應該4月23號辯論。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候會有結果？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：辯論之後可能要幾個月吧！ |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候會對於這個事情做出釋憲？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：應該……因為這個要等他們辯論之後再訂定，所以現在還不能講確切的時間。 |
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賴委員士葆：按照過去的時間表，差不多…… |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：應該會有幾個月…… |
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賴委員士葆：今年年底可能嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：可能7、8月左右吧！ |
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賴委員士葆：年底以前可以…… |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：這個應該…… |
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賴委員士葆：應該會解釋出來？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：因為我不是大法官，所以我也沒有參與這個東西，我只能講是會有幾個月。 |
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賴委員士葆：我有一個拜託，請你告訴大法官。 |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：超過八成以上的臺灣老百姓是反對廢死的，廢死只有執政黨這邊，特別是蔡總統一味在推動，大法官又是他任命的，外界就很擔心。我請你告訴大法官，或者最少告訴院長，許宗力，對嘛！告訴他，他如果釋憲的結果是廢死的話，一定引起民眾大幅的反彈，特別最近虐童案的事件，刑法第二百八十六條我要修法，我要提案啊！改為死刑。現在最高就無期徒刑而已，你們現在都是處處在替加害者在講他的人權，那個受害者呢？這樣子兒童這麼的一個innocent，然後被這樣弄死了。一想到這個心會痛啊！然後居然你們要大法官為這個事情說死刑要不要把它廢掉喔！人權喔！這些殺人犯都要人權喔！我就是請你來，上來就告訴你，這也是多數委員的一個心聲、多數老百姓的心聲，請你務必告訴司法院這些大法官們、偉大的大法官。老實講，現在有37位，法務部長一起來。現在有37位沒有執行嘛！對不對？37、38？ |
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蔡部長清祥：還沒有執行。 |
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賴委員士葆：37嘛！ |
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蔡部長清祥：37。 |
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賴委員士葆：37啊！就是法務部跟司法院兩個串通起來，就一直把它延、延、延！你搞個要經過憲法法庭，這莫名其妙！原來就可以執行，那個辦法是在……那個不是法律啦！這個是你的執行辦法裡面，你的一個行政命令而已，你就給他開一條路。哎唷！你們都去這裡喔！非常上訴、再上訴，然後走憲法法庭。你指他一條路，大家都走這條路，所以…… |
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蔡部長清祥：不過，跟委員說明，那個辦法是我還沒有上任之前就已經…… |
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賴委員士葆：我知道，你可以改啊！ |
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蔡部長清祥：這是它有一個救濟辦法…… |
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賴委員士葆：你可以改啊！蔡部長，你外面的形象是不錯的，評價也不錯的，你不要因為這樣子葬送你一輩子的那種……我不知道520之後你會不會續任啦！ |
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蔡部長清祥：沒有，我們看司法院憲法法庭判決確定後，該改我們就會改。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼憲法法庭？你們就該改了！ |
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蔡部長清祥：對，該改就會改。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個不是法律！這個已經拖這麼久了，37、38個重大惡行的…… |
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蔡部長清祥：其實改了也是不溯及既往啊！對這37位來講，他還是要遵守原來的規定。 |
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賴委員士葆：哪有那麼奇怪！規定這個拿掉就沒有那個憲法法庭的事情了啊！這樣就讓他有個憲法法庭可以走，這裡面純粹就是要…… |
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蔡部長清祥：該給的救濟機會，我們還是要給他。 |
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賴委員士葆：先讓我講完。 |
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蔡部長清祥：救濟程序結束以後…… |
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賴委員士葆：先讓我講完。 |
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蔡部長清祥：我們該怎麼做就怎麼做。 |
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賴委員士葆：先讓我講完可以嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不要講話。整個來講，法務部、司法院通通就在執行蔡英文以降民進黨的mindset，就是要廢死。全民反對，八成以上反對。這一次賴清德得票，只有鞏固基本盤40%，這是原因之一。副秘書長請回。部長老實講你以前的形象都不錯，但是這一次選舉的時候，我對你大大地失望！ |
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蔡部長清祥：我還是一貫維持…… |
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賴委員士葆：不要講話！我沒有講，你先不要講！檢察官在選前大動作，約談去過大陸的臺北市里長40幾個，文山區的里長有22個里長被約談了。早上一大早7點敲門啊！帶走，到下午4點才放回來，這有什麼人權？7點進去啊！4點出來啊！被約談了以後，基本上沒辦法申請良民證啊！然後里長不能參加義消。有一個里長，木柵分隊張里長，不要講他的名字，你看它裡面寫什麼。刑事資料沒有顯示該案偵結判決結果，所以不給他參加義消。我要做義工，我做義消，就是因為你們檢察官給人家約談了，到現在吊在半空中，他良民證不能申請，他民防不能參加，義消不能參加，這是什麼跟什麼！部長啊！這個反滲透法是一部惡法，反滲透法裡面，比如說何建華不是拿中共的錢嗎？老共的錢嗎？辦了3年，鏘鏘哐哐地，還判無罪！這個本來它就是思想的一個東西，這個根本就不夠具體。我們的反滲透法講什麼？境外勢力指示、委託或資助，什麼叫「指示」？什麼叫「委託」？什麼叫「資助」？ |
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結果更扯的，部長，我說給你聽哦！我在國會殿堂，我負責任講出來，我們22個文山的里長被約談，檢察官都問同一個問題，都問同一個問題喔！當然都告訴他說問你的不能講，可是事關我，當然要跟我講！問他一個問題說，你們去大陸接受招待，大陸有沒有指示你們說要支持賴士葆？就點名賴士葆耶！就點名賴士葆耶！22個通通都問同一個問題，其他的……但是有一個中心的問題都一樣。第二個，問某一個里長說：為什麼賴士葆的造勢你跑第一個上去？我們的里長都很聰明，腦筋很靈光，他說我是國民黨籍的，我當然支持賴士葆啊！這樣被折磨，從7點折磨到下午4點，到現在什麼也沒有，pending在那裡，不能申請良民證，不能去當義消，不能去參加民防工作。部長啊！你檢察官什麼心態？所以難怪九成左右的臺灣老百姓認為政治影響檢察官辦案，這個是最好的例子啊！所以這一次的2024年，法務部的檢察官、法務部介選非常嚴重！ |
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蔡部長清祥：沒有這回事啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：非常嚴重！絕對嚴重！絕對介選！ |
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蔡部長清祥：不是這樣，不能這樣解讀啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：不是，那到現在為止，這個案子呢？案子結果呢？ |
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蔡部長清祥：我會叫他儘快來結案，但是…… |
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賴委員士葆：要結案啦！ |
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蔡部長清祥：他是有犯罪嫌疑才會被約談…… |
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賴委員士葆：有犯罪嫌疑？ |
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蔡部長清祥：約談也不代表說是構成犯罪啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：好好笑的事情！我講給你聽。他說去什麼江南，5月，然後1萬5,000元太便宜。好幾個里長拿給他說：你看！網路有1萬1,000元的，有9,000元的，就只有拿這個說我的團費太低，我可能接受資助，然後把省下來的錢支持賴士葆。這個樣子啊！支持國民黨的候選人，這個邏輯是這樣邏輯，這個不是政治辦案，什麼才是政治辦案？這個赤裸裸地介入政治太深、介入選舉太深。 |
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蔡部長清祥：不是這樣解讀啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：我為什麼今天一定要來這裡跟你質詢？我最近就一直接到里長跟我這樣講，他們做很多事情不能做，就是會卡在這裡！ |
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蔡部長清祥：我會要求他們儘快結案。 |
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賴委員士葆：對不對？你們趕快給它結案…… |
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蔡部長清祥：有就有，沒有就沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：而且，我再最後一句話。當初看到統促黨的何建華，他還拿了老共的錢，就起訴吧！判無罪耶！我不知道這個案子你們還要上訴嗎？你們還要不要上訴？ |
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蔡部長清祥：要檢察官來判斷。 |
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賴委員士葆：他決定沒有？ |
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蔡部長清祥：我不曉得。如果委員要知道，我來幫忙了解。 |
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賴委員士葆：我沒有要知道這個事情，我比較關心我們那些里長！20幾個里長現在吊在半空中，然後…… |
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蔡部長清祥：這個我可以要求他儘快把它釐清。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個道地就是政治辦案，我覺得很悲哀啊！蔡清祥部長，如果你520之後沒有辦法再續任，我跟你講，你的名字，人家就會掛在那裡，就是在2024的大選之前強力介入…… |
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蔡部長清祥：不會啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：去約談里長…… |
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蔡部長清祥：沒有這回事啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：就已經有啦！全國都有！臺北市40幾個…… |
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蔡部長清祥：那也不是我下令的啊！我也不可能這樣下令啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：不管怎麼樣，這個帳算你身上。你看這個，我們的檢察官，請問你現在定罪率多高？上訴以後。 |
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蔡部長清祥：我們所有的定罪率是95%以上。 |
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賴委員士葆：95%以上？國安法或者國安機密相關的定罪率多高？你知道嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：也不會太低。 |
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賴委員士葆：六成定罪，國安法。 |
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蔡部長清祥：不只啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：你Google一下嘛！違反國家機密，三成左右。檢察官就亂起訴啊！然後你們家的事情！一起訴，這個人就垮了一半耶！真的檢察官起訴要很慎重…… |
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蔡部長清祥：是，我一直都要求要慎重。 |
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賴委員士葆：日本的檢察官起訴定罪率99.9%。可是我們在國安部分起訴的定罪率非常地低，非常地低！部長，你好好去關心一下，特別剛剛有提到的，趕快放了這些沒事的里長，把人家牽拖成這樣。真的！要加入義消，不能加入義消…… |
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蔡部長清祥：好啦！這點我絕對會…… |
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賴委員士葆：加入民防，不能加入民防，莫名其妙！良民證也沒有，因為有個案子在那裡！這個東西啊！ |
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蔡部長清祥：這點我會要求要儘快結案。 |
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賴委員士葆：檢察官為政治服務到這樣的程度，實在很悲哀！ |
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主席（翁委員曉玲代）：接下來請吳宗憲委員詢答。 |
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60 |
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委員會-11-1-36-7 |
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吳宗憲 |
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黃國昌 |
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沈發惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
莊瑞雄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王鴻薇 |
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1 |
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2024-03-18 |
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1131501 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「為維護偵查程序之順利
進行及真實發現，並兼顧人權維護，如何落實偵查不公開原則及相關流程缺失之檢討」進行專題
報告，並備質詢 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進先請一下司法院的黃副秘書長請副秘書長上台你好秘書長好 |
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最近我看到司法院在大法官說要對Face的事情進行辯論,什麼時候會有辯論?什麼時候會有結果? |
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按照過去時間表差不多 |
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超過八成以上的臺灣老百姓是反對FACE |
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Face只有執政黨這邊特別是蔡總統也會再推動那大法官又是他任命的外界就很擔心我請你告訴大法官或者最少告訴院長徐中立嘛是吧對嘛告訴他他如果事先的結果是Face的話一定引起民眾大幅的反彈 |
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特別在最近 滅統亨的事件刑保286條 我就把它修法 我要提案啊改為死刑現在最高就無舉徒刑而已你們現在都是處處在替加害者在講他的人權 那個受害者咧這樣子兒童這麼的一個innocent然後被這樣弄死了 |
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想到這個心會痛啊然後居然你們要大法官為這個事情說哎喲 死刑要不要把它廢掉喔喔 人權喔這些 這些傻人犯罪的人權喔我就是請你來上來就告訴你這是多數委員的一個心聲多數老百姓的心聲請他務必 請你務必要告訴司法院這些大法官們偉大的大法官 |
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老實講現在有37位沒有來來來法務部長一起來現在有37位沒有執行嗎對不對37、38還沒有執行37嘛3737啊就是法務部跟司法院兩個串通起來就一直把它延延延你搞到經過憲法法庭 |
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這莫名其妙 原來就可以執行 那個辦法實在 那個不是法律啊 經過這個是你的執行辦法裡面 你的一個行政命令而已 你就給他開一條路 哎喲你都去這喔 非常上訴 再上訴 然後呢 走憲法法庭 你只給他一條路 大家都走這條路 報告委員說明那個辦法是我還沒有上任之前就已經 我知道你可以改啊 |
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那這是他有一個救急報告．你可以改啊 蔡部長你外面的形象是不錯的 評價也不錯的你不要因為這樣子 葬送你一輩子的那種那種我不知道五八零之後你會不會繼續拒認了我們看了 司法院憲法法庭他判決 該改我們就會改你裡面就該改了對 該改就會改這個不是法律 |
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這個已經拖這麼久了,37、38個最大、中大、二級的那即時改了也是個溯及既往阿對這37位來講,他還是要遵守原來的規定阿你就規定這個拿掉就沒有那個憲法法庭的事情了阿他現在一直督,就讓他有個憲法法庭走這裡面純粹就是要該給的救濟機會我們還是要先讓我講完救濟程序結束以後,我們該怎麼做就怎麼做先讓我講完可以嗎,你不要講話 |
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整個來講法務部、司法院通通就在執行蔡英文以降民進黨的Mindset就是要Face全民反對,八成以上反對這一次賴清德得票只有鞏固基本法40%這是原因之一好,那個副秘書長請回了 |
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部長啊是老實講你以前的形象都不錯但是這次選舉的時候我對你大大的失望我還是一貫無恥來來來不要講話我沒講你先不要講喔檢察官在選前大動作約談去過大陸的里長台北市里長40幾個文山區的里長有22個里長被約談了早上一大早7點 |
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敲門啊 帶走 到下午4點再放回來這有什麼人權 7點進去啊 4點出來啊這個 被約談了以後 基本上沒辦法申請良民證了然後里長不能參加議銷 來 有一個里長木柵分隊張里長 不要講他的名字 |
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你看 它裡面寫什麼 刑事資料沒有顯示該案偵解判決結果 所以不給他參加議銷我要做義工 我做議銷 就是因為你們檢察官給人家約談了 到現在掉在半空中他良民證不能申請 他民防不能參加 議銷不能參加這是什麼跟什麼啊 部長啊 |
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這個反滲透法是一部惡法反滲透法裡面比如說何建華不是拿中共的錢嗎老共的錢嗎辦了三年輕輕鬆鬆的還判無罪這個東西本來他就是本來他就是一個 |
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思想的一個東西 這個根本就不夠具體我們的反省動畫講什麼 境外勢力只是委託或支柱什麼叫指示 什麼叫委託 什麼叫支柱結果更扯的 不能夠這樣聽喔我在國會殿堂 我負責任講出來我們22個文山隊里長被約談檢查官都問同一個問題 都問同一個問題喔 |
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當然都告訴他說問你的不能講可是事關我當然要跟我講啊問他一個問題說你們去大陸接受招待大陸有沒有指示你們說要支持賴士葆這平民賴士葆欸 |
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就點名賴士葆欸22個通通問同一個問題其他的但是有一個中心的問題都一樣然後載過來第二個問某一個里長說為什麼賴士葆的肇事你跑第一個上去我們的里長都很聰明啊腦筋很靈光啊他說我是國民黨籍我當然支持賴士葆啊 |
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昨天被折磨 從7點折磨到下午4點到現在 什麼也沒有Pending在那裡不能申請良民證 不能去當預銷 不能去參加民訪工作 |
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部長 檢察官什麼心態啊所以難怪九成左右的老百姓臺灣老百姓認為政治影響檢察官方案這是最好的例子啊所以這一次的2024年法務部的檢察官法務部屆選非常嚴重 |
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495.011 |
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510.33 |
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非常嚴重!絕對嚴重!絕對絕對嚴重!不是!不能這樣解讀了!那你到現在為止這個案子呢?那我要求他盡快來結案!要結案啦!他是有犯罪嫌疑才會被約談!約談也不代表說他是構成犯罪啦!好好笑的事情!來!我給你!跟你講一個問題! |
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533.177 |
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他說去什麼江南五月然後一萬五太便宜里長好幾個里長拿給他你看網路有一萬一的有九千的就只有拿這個說我的團費太低我可能接受資助然後把剩下的錢來支持賴士葆這個樣子啦支持國民黨的候選人這個邏輯是這樣邏輯這個不是政治法案什麼才是政治法案 |
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539.558 |
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552.176 |
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這個赤裸裸的介入政治太深介入選舉太深我最近為什麼今天我為什麼今天一定要來法務部這裡來跟你質詢我最近就一直接到里長跟我這樣講 |
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553.41 |
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574.022 |
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他們做很多事情不能做,就是卡在這裡我會要求他們盡快結案,我就有,沒有就沒有而且,而且,我再最後一句話你看那個,當初看到統促黨的何建華他還拿了老公的錢,起訴,起訴,起訴法,欸,判無罪啊或者這個案子還要,你們還要上訴嗎?你們還要不要上訴?檢察官來判斷他,他決定沒有?我不曉得 |
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如果委員要知道我來幫忙了解我沒有要知道這個事情我比較關心是我們那些里長二十幾個里長現在吊在辦公室這個我可以要求他盡快整個道地這個道地就是政治辦案我覺得很悲哀啊蔡清祥部長你的如果你無法領之後沒有辦法再續任 |
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我跟你講你的名字人家就掛在那裡就是在2024的大選之前強力介入不會啦去約談里長沒有這回事就已經有啦就全國都有那也不是我下令的啊我也不可能這樣下令啊不管怎麼樣這個這樣送你身上這個這個你看喔我們檢察官請問你現在定罪率多高上訴以後 |
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633.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
違反國家機密三層左右 |
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你檢察官去亂起訴啊!然後你那個事,一起訴這個人就垮了一半耶!真的,檢察官起訴要很慎重,定罪的很高!日本的檢察官起訴定罪率99.9%!99.9%!但是我們在國安的部分,起訴的定罪率非常的低! |
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677.832 |
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那那個翁偉 |