| IVOD_ID |
149977 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149977 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
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| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T10:58:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T11:08:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733a02363da47ef54e8d5d4e9913f58cb8d7f8ba9b0039caa7a621b00f39ec1a9b485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:58:19 - 11:08:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部首長率同中央氣象署署長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【3月18日、20日二天一次會】） |
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陳委員雪生：（10時58分）首先謝謝我們溫馨、溫暖的召委昆澤委員。是不是請林次長？ |
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主席：請次長。 |
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陳委員雪生：次長早安。 |
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林次長國顯：委員好。 |
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陳委員雪生：首先恭喜您榮升次長。 |
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林次長國顯：謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：也謝謝次長在民航局局長任內，對我們馬祖地方的協助。 |
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林次長國顯：是，應該的、應該的。 |
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陳委員雪生：我也代表縣長、議長還有全體的鄉親對你表示感謝…… |
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林次長國顯：謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：國顯局長非常優秀，所以部長提升你為次長也應該的。另外請問一下次長，公路局是不是你的業管？ |
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林次長國顯：公路局啊？公路局不是，但是我以前有當過路政司司長。 |
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陳委員雪生：因為剛才我聽林沛祥委員發言時講到停車的問題，我們現在全國大概有800、900萬輛的汽車，我們的停車場有多少，你知道嗎？ |
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林次長國顯：應該遠少於這個數字。 |
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陳委員雪生：停車場只有200萬，200萬裡面還包含了室內的停車場，我助理講說這個空間柯文哲市長上任以後把所有的停車格都畫出來了，除了停車格之外全部都是紅線，紅線就是要開單的意思啦，我們警察也非常的負責任，我覺得警察在管治安嘛，就連晚上10點到凌晨都還在開單，所以次長回去檢討一下好不好？ |
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林次長國顯：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：謝謝次長，你先請回。 |
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林次長國顯：好，謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：請你上來，主要是對你表示感謝。是不是請主席請一下氣象署署長？ |
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主席：請署長。 |
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陳委員雪生：署長早安。 |
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程署長家平：委員早。 |
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陳委員雪生：這是我自你上任以後第一次對你質詢。請問一下，最近馬祖你在北竿島、莒光島成立兩座雷達站，我請問一下署長，你們這兩座雷達站的興建及土地的取得都是國產署嗎？有沒有跟縣政府做過簡報或是跟縣長報告？ |
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程署長家平：有。 |
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陳委員雪生：縣長知道這個事嗎？ |
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程署長家平：是，知道。 |
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陳委員雪生：知道？ |
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程署長家平：其實在一年以前就已經陸陸續續在做相關的報告，我們最近也安排兩次行程特別…… |
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陳委員雪生：你們的藍圖一定要跟縣長做簡報，否則會影響到整個都市計畫。 |
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程署長家平：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：你要怎麼做啊？你看馬祖北竿，你做了這個……當然設計我看過了，是滿好的，是以黑嘴端鳳頭燕鷗這個藍圖來做的，它面積大概需要多少？ |
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程署長家平：你是說土地面積嗎？ |
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陳委員雪生：對，它的基地面積。 |
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程署長家平：基地面積現在是20公尺乘上10公尺，就是底座。 |
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陳委員雪生：預定讓幾個人駐紮在那個地方？ |
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程署長家平：目前雷達站是一個無人雷達站的設計。 |
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陳委員雪生：無人的啊？ |
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程署長家平：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：沒有人的啊？ |
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程署長家平：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：那莒光的呢？ |
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程署長家平：也是一樣，都是無人的雷達站。 |
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陳委員雪生：也是無人的雷達站啊？ |
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程署長家平：是，目前我們在水利署支持的五座防災降雨雷達，其實也都是無人雷達站，所以無人雷達站的相關運作…… |
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陳委員雪生：它的聯外道路的有二百多公尺，有跟阿兵哥的接在一起嗎？ |
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程署長家平：有用到軍方的地，就是芹山的營區和馬防部02觀測所，的確是在軍方的…… |
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陳委員雪生：署長，以後功課準備好，因為早上我已經提示你了，我會問這個問題，我提示你了所以你們的同仁應該要告訴署長，不要讓署長上台以後有些問題回答不出來。它的功能主要是什麼呢？ |
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程署長家平：C頻段的雷達主要是針對降雨，另一個是毫米波的雷達，主要是針對霧，因為金馬地區霧的情形其實非常嚴重，我們也希望要加強金馬地區對於霧的觀測，所以不僅降雨，也包含了霧。 |
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陳委員雪生：下雨跟霧？ |
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程署長家平：對，降雨和霧。 |
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陳委員雪生：它一陣來、一陣去，你偵測出來對我們地區有什麼……你會提供飛航的情報，還有海上的船隻，提醒他們注意還是怎麼樣？ |
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程署長家平：是，這裡面相關的應用包含兩個，一個是監測，一個是預報，預報當然主要是早期希望提供相關的資訊給相關的民眾；監測的部分主要是希望掌握譬如說霧的相關程度，也知道霧到什麼時候會散。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個可以…… |
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程署長家平：對不起。 |
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陳委員雪生：不讓人家參觀嗎？ |
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程署長家平：可以參觀啊！我們並沒有不讓參觀。 |
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陳委員雪生：參觀的時候，如果有人去破壞怎麼辦呢？ |
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程署長家平：參觀一定是我們有伴隨的參觀，因為目前是無人站的設計，所以裡面未來會有相關的保全系統，以及會考慮讓保全人員進駐。 |
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陳委員雪生：不可能，你讓人家上去參觀的話，任意人都可以進去呀！ |
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程署長家平：參觀的部分一定會有我們的人伴隨，不會開放任意的人進去參觀。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們沒有人啊！怎麼伴隨？ |
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程署長家平：就是由我們馬祖氣象站的人員。 |
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陳委員雪生：這不是無人的氣象站嗎？ |
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程署長家平：我們馬祖有有人的氣象站，雷達站的部分是無人，所以如果有人要去參觀雷達站的部分，一定是我們馬祖氣象站的同仁去支援。 |
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陳委員雪生：署長，你為什麼不做在南竿、為什麼做在北竿呢？你南竿的氣象站有四、五個人在裡面啊！那裡的位子也很大啊！你不做在那邊監測這個霧，而放在北竿有什麼意圖嗎？ |
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程署長家平：主要是地點的…… |
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陳委員雪生：有沒有軍事的用途在裡面？ |
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程署長家平：沒有，沒有軍事的用途。 |
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陳委員雪生：完全沒有？ |
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程署長家平：主要是在地點的尋找，因為我們有好幾個地方在討論，在什麼樣的地方比較適合設置，當然也牽涉到用地取得。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個是不是要提供給美軍來用還是什麼呢？ |
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程署長家平：它純粹是民間用途、氣象用途。 |
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陳委員雪生：國軍要不要用？國軍可以用嗎？ |
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程署長家平：從氣象的觀點來看，相關的資料他們當然可以做氣象用，可是裡面沒有任何的軍事用途。 |
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陳委員雪生：這個很難講，我也不相信。還有一個很重要的問題，國顯次長，你可能還要上來一下。最近大陸在莒光那個地方的周圍已經很近了，他們在做風機，風機是什麼？就是離岸風電，這個圖沒有放上來。做了幾百根，但是最靠近莒光的那一段，我聽說是中國鋼鐵標到的，很大、大大喔！我請問一下，你是民航局局長出來的，我們的飛機是從莒光那邊進場，有沒有問題？有沒有影響？ |
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林次長國顯：報告委員，資料是還在掌握中，目前是馬祖外海的風機第一區還在做環境影響評估。 |
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陳委員雪生：有沒有問題？ |
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林次長國顯：其他的部分，未來主要應該是航線的部分會影響，就是船的部分可能有些會被調整，也需要調整。高度的部分，因為目前還沒有很明確…… |
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陳委員雪生：飛機有沒有影響？ |
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林次長國顯：飛機如果有影響，必須要調整儀航程序，目前的資料…… |
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陳委員雪生：飛機如有影響就會影響到我們南竿，也會影響到北竿的落地喔！ |
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林次長國顯：這個我們還在持續掌握中，因為高度還不曉得。 |
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陳委員雪生：我想這個有機會民航局有來備詢的時候，我會詳細地問，好不好？ |
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林次長國顯：是，我們有掌握訊息，但是它還在發展中。 |
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陳委員雪生：今天北竿跟莒光的雷達站對我們的飛航有沒有影響？因為它可以用電波擾亂我們喔！ |
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林次長國顯：應該不會吧！ |
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陳委員雪生：次長你請回，我問署長。你查證一下，署長，會不會影響？ |
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程署長家平：不會影響，我們都做過背景的頻率測試，在背景的頻率測試時，不僅是民航，也包含軍方相關的頻率不會互相干擾。 |
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陳委員雪生：你這個北竿的氣象雷達站，跟莒光的氣象雷達站，你回去以後行文給民航局，好不好？行文給民航局讓民航局來評估一下有沒有問題，如果有問題的話，你們要做適度地修正，好不好？ |
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程署長家平：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：不要影響到我們飛機的安全，謝謝主席。 |
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主席：陳委員發言完畢，也謝謝邱若華委員的體諒。我們現在休息10分鐘。 |
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休息（11時8分） |
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繼續開會（11時18分） |
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首先謝謝我們溫馨、溫暖的早委、溫泽委員。請林次長。請次長。次長早安。首先恭喜您隆昇次長。謝謝委員。也謝謝次長在民航局局長任內。 |
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對我們馬祖地方的協助,我也代表縣長、議長還有全體的鄉親對你表示感謝。國選局長非常優秀,所以部長提升你為次長也應該的。另外請問一下次長,公路局是不是你的夜館? |
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公路局啊?公路局不是但是我以前有當過路政司長因為剛才我聽林佩祥委員發言講到這個停車的問題我們在全國大概有800、900萬輛的車輛我們停車站有多少?應該遠少於200萬200萬裡面還包含了室內的停車場我所以講說這個空間啊 |
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柯文哲市長上任以後把所有停車格的都劃出來了除了停車格之外全部都是紅線紅線就是要開單的意思我們警察也非常的負責任我覺得警察在管治安現在連晚上10點到凌晨都還在開單都還在開單所以這個市長回去檢討一下好不好我想謝謝市長你先請回你上來主要表示對你感謝是不是請一下主席 |
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請一下氣象署署長。請署長。好,署長早安吼。委員長。委員長你上任以後我第一次對你的質詢吼。請問一下那個最近在馬祖啊,你在北甘島在舉光島成立兩座雷達站。舉光的雷達站勒? |
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我請問一下署長你們這兩座雷達站的興建他土地的取得都是國產署有沒有跟縣政府做過簡報或是跟縣長報告有縣長知道這個事嗎是知道其實在之前一年以前已經陸陸續續在做相關的報告那我們最近也在安排兩次的行程特別影響到整個都市計畫因為你要怎麼做 |
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你看你馬祖北竿在板裡斷,你做了這個當然設計我看過了,是蠻好的,是以黑嘴端縫頭硬毆這個藍圖來做,它面積大概需要多少?你說土地面積嗎?對,它的基地面積 |
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基地面積現在是20公尺乘上10公尺目前這個雷達站是一個無人的雷達站的設計 |
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也是一樣都是無人雷達站也是無人的雷達站吼無人的雷達站是目前我們在水利署支持的防災降雨欄5座防災降雨欄其實也都是無人雷達站所以相關的無人雷達站的運作有跟阿兵哥的接在一起嗎馬祖馬祖對 |
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有用到軍方的地就是秦山的營區和馬防部02觀測所的確是在軍方的空因為早上我已經提示你了我會問這個問題我提示你了所以你們的同仁應該要告訴署長告訴署長不要讓署長上台以後有些問題回答不出來那麼他的功能主要是什麼勒 |
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好一個是西平段的雷達主要是針對降雨另外一個是毫米坡的雷達主要是針對霧那因為金馬地區其實霧的情形非常的嚴重我們也希望要加強金馬地區對於霧的觀測所以不僅是降雨也包含一個霧下雨跟霧對降雨和霧他一陣來一陣去你針對出來對我們地區有什麼 |
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你會提供飛航的情報還有海上的 |
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呃 對不起 |
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不讓人家參觀嗎?可以參觀啊,我們並沒有不讓參觀,對那參觀如果有人去破壞怎麼辦呢?那參觀一定是我們有伴隨的參觀那因為目前是無人站的設計所以裡面到未來會有相關的保全系統以及會考慮有保全人員進去不可能,你要人家上去參觀的話任意都可以進去啊 |
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參觀的部分一定有我們的人伴隨不會開放任意的人進去參觀是,就是有我們的氣象站的人員馬祖氣象站的人員我們的馬祖有人的氣象站那雷達站的部分是無人所以如果有人要去參觀這個雷達站的部分一定是我們馬祖氣象站的同一來支援為什麼坐在北竿呢? |
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你南竿的氣象站裡面有4個人5個人在裡面那你位置也很大你不都在那邊來監測這個霧你放在北竿有什麼意圖嗎主要是地點的有沒有軍事用途在裡面沒有沒有沒有完全沒有主要是在地點的尋找因為我們有好幾個地方在討論在什麼樣的地方比較適合設置那當然也牽涉到用地區的 |
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他是純粹民間用途氣象用途從氣象的觀點來看相關的資料當然他們可以用做氣象用可是裡面沒有任何的軍事用途這個很難講我也不相信還有齁很重要一個問題那個國險市長你可能還要上來一下最近 |
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大陸在舉光那個地方周圍已經很近了做風機啊風機什麼就是離岸風電這圖沒有上來圖沒有上來做了幾百根但是最靠近舉光的那一段我聽說是中國鋼鐵標很大很大將來 |
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我請問一下你是民航局局長出來的那你我們的飛機是從舉光那一方從那邊進場有沒有問題?有沒有影響? |
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報告委員資料是還在掌握中目前是馬祖外海的風機地區他叫環境影響評估那其他的部分未來主要應該是航線的部分會影響船的部分可能有些會被調整需要調整 |
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那高度的部分因為目前還沒有很明確飛機有沒有影響飛機如果有影響必須要調整宜航程序飛機影響會影響到我們南竿也影響到北竿的落地這個我們還在持續掌握中因為高度還不曉得我想這個有機會這個民航局有來備詢的時候我會詳細的問好不好我們有掌握這個訊息但是他還在發展中 |
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539.43 |
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那今天北竿跟菊光的雷達戰對我們的飛航有沒有影響?他的雷達?因為他可以用電波擾亂我們喔他的雷達?應該不會吧?市長你請回,我問那個署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
548.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
569.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
你查證一下署長有沒有影響不會影響我們都做過背景的頻率測試那在背景頻率測試不僅是民航也包含軍方相關的頻率不會互相干擾你這個北竿的氣象雷達站跟舉光的氣象雷達站你回去以後行文給民航局 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
572.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
581.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
請問給民航局,讓民航局來評估一下有沒有問題,如果有問題你們要做適度的修正好不好?不要影響到我們飛機的安全好不好?謝謝主席 |