| IVOD_ID |
149935 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149935 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-15T11:35:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-15T11:50:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/02d71021be190f0f1f7e2afc5a1923b2b7179bdd53e9838df8ba9b0039caa7a63b21ad8153c732055ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:07 - 11:50:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。
二、3月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、3月19日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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1138 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時35分）謝謝主席。韓院長以及各位先進。我們有請行政院陳院長以及經濟部王部長。 |
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主席：再請行政院陳院長備詢、經濟部部長備詢。 |
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陳院長建仁：賴委員早安。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官早。我記得就在這個地方，同樣是兩位在上面，我問了兩位有關於AI的部分，那時候王部長跟我說ChatGPT有用一點點；而陳院長說你很忙，沒有用。我現在給各位看一個數字，兩位請看一個數字，我們講AI，現在來講AI概念股漲翻天了，我們都以為臺灣的AI有夠強的，強啊！結果Oxford Insights政府人工智慧整備度的指數，準備度就是 readiness，你是不是 ready。我們在2022年是第14名，2023年是第19名，漏氣啊！跟我們現在業界來講，我看著這個數字就昏了，怎麼可能！這是為什麼？只有一個答案，這個政府就是「低路」啊！我們的民間這麼強，你看AI，NVIDIA「嚇嚇叫」，全球「乒砰叫」，AI概念股漲翻天，結果我們政府的AI準備度掉5名，1年內就掉了五名啊。院長要不要稍微講一點？ |
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陳院長建仁：我不太清楚這個Oxford Insights指數的標準…… |
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賴委員士葆：你可以查啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：我會去瞭解一下。 |
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賴委員士葆：你去查啊！ |
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陳院長建仁：我會去瞭解一下。通常在做國際評比的時候，有些時候因為有新的發展，所以這個指標的content會不一樣…… |
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賴委員士葆：那指標不準？ |
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陳院長建仁：所以我需要瞭解，這個我不清楚。 |
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王部長美花：委員，我想…… |
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賴委員士葆：我跟你們兩位長官講，我們本來說AI多厲害又多厲害，但是前十名都排不上，14名、19名，你可以想一想，這是國家未來的競爭力。賴清德，你認識賴清德嘛！認識嘛！我認識，院長也認識。賴清德說AI力就是國力…… |
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陳院長建仁：對啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：臺灣需要擁有AI的對話引擎。好了，我們讓院長知道一下，國科會推一個臺版的ChatGPT，它叫TAIDE。 |
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陳院長建仁：TAIDE。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是這個出來之後，它只有給企業界用，民間不能用，老百姓沒有用，所以不普及啊！老百姓沒辦法用，就是給企業界來用，所以我就要問，我想院長可能沒辦法回答，我問部長，請問什麼時候…… |
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陳院長建仁：今天國科會主委沒來。 |
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賴委員士葆：我知道，但是這跟經濟部也有關係，因為企業就是你管的嘛。或者我請教院長，不過我不知道，因為你可能520就不在了。 |
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陳院長建仁：對啦！ChatGPT這件事情，確實國科會有在推動，它現在推動的狀況、跟企業界的關係，我想部長不曉得能夠…… |
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賴委員士葆：部長講一下，你知道嗎？ |
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王部長美花：是這樣，他們國科會這邊在做，讓它更好，因為那個是繁體中文版的部分，另外當這個比較好的時候，它可以開放到學界或者民間，這個可以。但是就政府機關而言，其實很多部分要做的，不一定跟這個TAIDE有關，比如經濟部現在各個單位…… |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！不必講那麼多。我要跟你們強調的就是，真漏氣啦！臺灣在世界，我們的3C力量這麼強，我們的資訊產品這麼強，每天在講AI，結果我們的AI十幾名，在10名以外啦！ |
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王部長美花：有，在AI怎麼樣去做出應用的這個部分，確實我們要做很多。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官，我替你們覺得羞愧。 |
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第二點，我要替臺北市政府講話，請問台電資本額現在多少？ |
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王部長美花：台電資本額現在應該是六千多億是不是？ |
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賴委員士葆：沒有六千多億，是要哪裡生？亂講一通！ |
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王部長美花：四千多億是不是？ |
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賴委員士葆：四千八啦！今年如果再通過就是五千八啦！可是我們疫後經濟的還稅於民，給你500億，那個還不是資本額咧！還要補貼1,000億，動輒五、六千億啊！但是台電長期欺負臺北市政府、揩油臺北市政府。我們有一個翡翠水庫，翡翠水庫是水力發電，總發電量也不多，在2.2億左右……一億多度，發電量不是那麼多，可是你們就卡在再生能源條例，請問你，水力發電是不是再生能源？ |
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王部長美花：水力發電是再生能源。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然是啊！但是你們買的價格，水力發電你用2.86，就是躉購費率2.86，為什麼翡翠只給他1.53？翡翠就是1.53啊！ |
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王部長美花：跟委員報告，早期這個躉購費率是跟民間買的，包括翡翠、德基水庫等等，這個都是早期的政府建設。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個現在就要改了啊！ |
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王部長美花：早期政府建設的部分，看它的成本來支出的部分，當時的躉購費率是鼓勵民間的小水力來收購。 |
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賴委員士葆：聽好！臺北市政府翡翠水庫去年7月18號發文給經濟部，為什麼對我們大小眼？你們對於裝置容量兩萬瓩以下的…… |
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王部長美花：對啊！就是小水力。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們就是2.86，可是翡翠是7萬瓩，你們卻不給它，它是再生能源…… |
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王部長美花：就是一般的水庫啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：還不是只有錢的問題而已，由於你們對它這樣的歧視、欺負…… |
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王部長美花：沒有歧視啦！因為它的……都一樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：你聽我講完，我沒叫你講的時候你先不要講，我沒叫你講的時候你的嘴巴就先閉緊。 |
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因為這樣子，不僅僅一年損失了3億，如果是用2.86，就有3億元，對臺北市政府也不無小補，這個錢是沒有很多，對你們來講也是小錢，但是最重要的不在這裡，而是在於拿不到再生能源憑證。它現在沒有再生能源憑證，但以後有碳權的交易，這個院長很清楚啊！碳權交易翡翠水庫就不知道該怎麼辦了！所以我在這裡要替臺北市政府翡翠水庫請命的是，我當然希望你那個3億補起來，3億也還是很多，對臺北市政府而言，但更重要的是，因為你們把它打回票，它7月18號發文給你們，你們10月20號回文給他們說，它是再生能源，可是又不用2.86，結果它就沒有再生能源憑證了。我要強調的是，拿不到再生能源憑證，對未來來講，它的碳權交易是很大的傷害。 |
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王部長美花：是，委員，這個我已經在解決了。 |
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賴委員士葆：讓院長講一下吧！ |
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王部長美花：這個我已經在解決了。 |
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陳院長建仁：他們在解決了。 |
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王部長美花：因為這個其實有國際的標準，就是說一個大的水庫，它用來發電的水力，在什麼條件下是符合，這個要有認證，所以這個部分我們已經釐清了，我們覺得像翡翠、德基這種大水庫，還是可以去認證，認證之後就可以拿到憑證了。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以認證？什麼時候可以拿憑證？ |
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王部長美花：這個規範…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候、什麼時候？我問你什麼時候！ |
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王部長美花：認證是翡翠要去認證、德基要去認證…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以拿到憑證？ |
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王部長美花：這個規範我現在正在積極處理，應該很快就出來了。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候嘛！你不要說「積極」，不要拖啦！ |
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王部長美花：但是認證是各個水庫要去認證。 |
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賴委員士葆：我知道。但我為什麼提這個？因為5年議約一次，今年年底已經到了，所以翡翠水庫一直覺得長期被欺負也不是辦法，就是屈屈一、兩億…… |
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王部長美花：跟委員報告，確實它不是這個……就是說當它可以認證它的發電量可能是百分之多少符合國際的規定，就可以直接去賣給民間。 |
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賴委員士葆：動輒給你們台電1,000億、500億，從原來的三千三增加到四千八，變成五千八，結果你還計較這個3億！你好意思嗎？ |
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王部長美花：不是計較3億的問題，是要一起解決大水庫的問題。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不修法我來修，我告訴你。 |
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我們再看一個很重要的事情，我想兩位都同意，能源危機就是國安危機，同意吧！這句話同意吧！同意喔！請問我們現在燒最多的一個燃料是什麼？天然氣，對不對？ |
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王部長美花：儲量部分比較少的是天然氣。 |
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賴委員士葆：天然氣最多嘛！ |
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王部長美花：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：天然氣能夠存幾天？ |
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王部長美花：目前的部分大概11天多。 |
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賴委員士葆：11天？ |
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王部長美花：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們有人講14天，沒關係！11天、14天，一下子就沒有了，萬一兩岸真的打仗。你可以看，我們現在整體給大家的感覺是臺灣很緊張，大家要備戰了，買武器、人員動員這些東西，臺灣老百姓很善良，都支持啊！給你支持啊！但是有一塊很重要的，能源的穩定（energy stability），這一部分你們都輕忽了，你們都輕忽了！怎麼講呢？我當然不相信老共會封鎖臺灣海峽，可是有一個情況絕對發生的，就是什麼？兩岸現在關係這麼壞的情況之下，如果老共真的哪一天想到了要給你做一件事情，就最近的事情，跟你有關係啊！海警船在我們臺灣的西南那裡，我們的天然氣從那裡上來，對吧！那裡最多吧！西南最多。 |
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王部長美花：我們都有，好幾個路線。 |
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賴委員士葆：來、來、來，我地圖給你看，我們從北邊下來的只有兩個來源，一個是美國，一個是俄羅斯，俄羅斯斷了嘛！ |
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王部長美花：對，俄羅斯沒有…… |
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賴委員士葆：俄羅斯不買了，剩美國，美國占了多少？你告訴我幾趴？多少？ |
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王部長美花：美國目前大概占10%左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有10%，你隨便說說，少一個零，前幾年的數字1%而已，後來有多一點…… |
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王部長美花：沒有、沒有、沒有，後來有比較高…… |
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賴委員士葆：後來有多一點。 |
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王部長美花：對，後來有比較高。 |
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賴委員士葆：我跟你講，前幾年1%，後來有多一點，沒有到10%，不要亂講喔！ |
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王部長美花：沒有10%，大概也有7%、8%，有比較高啦！有比較高。 |
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賴委員士葆：就是比以前1%多一點，可是主要還是西南這邊上來的，從中東這裡、卡達這邊，都從這邊來的嘛！老共只要海警船在那裡給你攔檢，說我要登船檢查，它來個3,000噸的，你要1,000噸去追喔！昨天有個消息出來，說臺灣海峽它的3,000噸，我們1,000噸，追，1,000噸怎麼追3,000噸啊！給你攔檢就好了，這個事情極可能發生，而且我讀過，有一些兵推就這樣推喔！你不要看現在只有說兩岸打仗，武器啊！人啊！energy（能源），只要你沒天然氣，整個都停擺，整個都停擺！然後你們又不要用核電，所以這個事情只有兩個解方，第一個、你現在只有11天，怎麼樣能夠增加儲存的天數？請問你，怎麼增加？要不要增加儲存槽？ |
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王部長美花：有，所以這個增加儲槽的部分確實要建…… |
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賴委員士葆：增加儲槽，你能增加嗎？ |
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王部長美花：包括三接，現在在蓋，然後臺中港增加儲藏…… |
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賴委員士葆：儲槽是現在人家的嫌惡設施，你要知道。 |
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王部長美花：沒有、沒有，現在正在蓋，包括三接現在也是在蓋增加儲槽的部分。 |
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賴委員士葆：要不要蓋四接？ |
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王部長美花：四接當然要，所以我們確實是…… |
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賴委員士葆：四接基隆全部反對喔！我們也反對喔…… |
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王部長美花：所以四接其實也是大家要支持啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：其實更簡單的事情，現在馬上一個題目，我們做球給你啦！你們不做，我們來做，現在我們人多，核二、核三延役，好不好？核二、核三延役，可以嗎？院長。 |
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陳院長建仁：核二、核三延役，按照現在的這個辦法，應該要在五年前就來申請，即使我們修法了以後，到該除役的那一天不是馬上延役…… |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你們…… |
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陳院長建仁：需要有一段時間做安全性的檢查…… |
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賴委員士葆：你去看一看…… |
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陳院長建仁：安全性的檢查是二到五年。 |
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賴委員士葆：你看一看賴清德的白皮書裡面，賴清德公開講，你知道賴清德是誰，他公開說，國家如果面臨安全的問題，就國安危機，可以重啟核電。你們不弄，我來幫你們弄，我來修一個特別法，核二核三延役特別條例，沒有你剛剛講要五年的事情，沒有那個事情！ |
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陳院長建仁：這是安全問題，全世界任何國家為什麼要在五年前申請，就是因為這個廠要延期以前需要做專業的安全核定，這個檢查就是要二到五年啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你們，能源的穩定性臺灣其實是非常脆弱的，只有11天，你現在最多的天然氣占了快50%，四十幾趴，很清楚地看得到這麼一個危險的情況，結果你們居然都不考慮這個，我覺得很奇怪。 |
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陳院長建仁：有考慮啊！是你剛才沒聽進去。 |
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賴委員士葆：最後一個，有關CPTPP，你們沒有時間回答，我就把它講完。蔡英文總統從他當選總統之前就開始講TPP，一直講到現在，最近還在講，我算過，CPTPP講了13次以上，昨天還講，結果英國跟我們同時申請了，已經加入了，我們到現在沒有，蔡英文總統說破了嘴，坦白講，只是作秀而已啦！因為你們都…… |
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王部長美花：沒有，沒有，我們確實都有很努力在遊說。 |
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賴委員士葆：加不進去嘛！就是「頇顢」啦！ |
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陳院長建仁：這個我們不同意，我不同意這個講法。 |
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主席：謝謝賴委員士葆的質詢，也謝謝陳院長的備詢。 |
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接下來我們請登記第14號王委員鴻薇質詢。 |
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兩位長官早我記得就在這個地方同樣是兩位在上面我問了兩位有關於AI的部分那時候這個王部長跟我說有啊切的GDP有用一點點那陳院長說你很忙沒有用來我現在給各位看一個數字兩位看一個數字我們講AI啊現在來講AI概念股漲翻天了 |
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結果呢﹖我們都以為說臺灣的A有夠強的強啊﹖結果asked inside政府人工智慧﹖準備度的指數﹖準備度就 readiness﹖你是不是ready﹖我們在2022年第14名﹖2023年第19名啊﹖ |
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賴士葆 |
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這個蝦蝦球、全球冰冰球、AI概念館、藏飯店結果我們的政府啊政府啊政府的AI準備度落5名了,一年內就掉了5名了。 |
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這個 院長要不要稍微 施政經 講一點呢我不太清楚這個Oxford Insight的這個指數的標準我會去瞭解一下我會去瞭解一下然後看看說通常在做國序評比的時候有些時候因為有新的這個發展所以這個指標的那個content會不一樣 |
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所以我需要了解,這個我不聽出來。我跟你們兩位講完講阿,AI我們本來說往後渡往外,前10名都排不上欸,這個是4名是9名。你可以想一想這是國家未來的競爭力賴清德喔,你認識賴清德嗎?認識嗎?我認識啦,院長也認識喔。賴清德說AI力就是國力。 |
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臺灣需要擁有AI的對話引擎。好了,我們現在呢,這個跟院長讓你知道一下,國會會推一個臺版的CHAT的GDP啊,它叫TIPE,TIPE的T-A-I-D-E,但是後面一不發音啦,TIPE,但是這個出來之後,它只有給企業界用。 |
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民間不能用老百姓沒有用所以不普及啊老百姓沒辦法用就是給企業界來用所以這個我就問這個我想院長可能沒辦法回答問部長 |
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請問什麼時候?我知道啦,但是這個經濟部有關係啦,因為你企業就是你管的嘛。什麼時候可以,或者院長,我請教院長,不過我不知道,因為你可能國會就要不太好。對啦,確認GDP這件事情確實國會有在推動。 |
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我要跟你們強調的就是說 |
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第二點﹖ |
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我要講一個,我要替台北市政府講話臺電呢?請問臺電資本額現在多少?講一下資本額臺電資本額現在應該是6000多億沒有6000多億要帶生的 |
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四千多億是吧?四千八啦!然後今年如果再通過就是五千八啦!然後可是呢我們醫護經濟那個那個什麼還稅漁民啊我們給你五百億那該不是資本額勒然後又補貼又一千億欸動輒五六千億啊但是長期台電欺負台北市政府卡油台北市政府我們有一個回稅水庫啊有一個回稅水庫 |
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水利發電是再生能源?當然是啊! |
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但是呢,你們買的價格,水利發電你用澳電86,澳電86價格在哪裡?澳電86,水利價,就是輪購費率澳電86,為什麼翡翠就給他1.53? |
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聽好啊! |
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臺北市政府核水水庫去年的7月18號發文給經濟部為什麼對我們打消音?你們對於對於兩萬千瓦以下的裝置容量兩萬千瓦以下的你們就是二點八六 |
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﹚賴士葆 |
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因為不僅僅一年損失了3億,如果你到28086有3億元,對台北市政府一不五小補,這個錢沒有很多錢,對你們來講也小錢。但是最終我不在這裡,在於他拿不到再生人員憑證。他現在沒有再生人員憑證,以後有探權的交易,這個院長很清楚。 |
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負責負責負責負責負責負責負責 |
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可是又不用2.86結果他就沒有再生人員憑證。我要強調是拿不到再生人員憑證對未來來講他的探權教育是很大的傷害是委員這個我已經在解決了這個我已經在解決了那因為他這個其實有國際的標準就是說 |
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什麼時候可以拿到憑證?什麼時候可以拿到憑證?什麼時候可以拿到憑證? |
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但是認證是各個水庫要去認證?為什麼提這個?因為五年一次議約,今年的年底已經到了。所以回退水庫長期被欺負也不是辦法。 |
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三、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、三月一、二、 |
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這不是計較善意的問題是一起要解決大水庫的問題你不修法我來修我告訴你好我們再看一個很重要的事情我想兩位都同意了人員危機就是國安危機同意吧這就同意吧同意我們現在請問燒最多的一個燃料是什麼 |
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天然氣對不對?除量的部分比較少是天然氣。天然氣最多嗎?天然氣能夠存幾天? |
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目前的部分大概11天多。11天?你們裝置有人講14天,沒關係,11天、14天,一下子沒有,萬里兩岸真的打仗,你可以看喔,我們現在整體給大家的感覺是,齁,台灣很緊張,大家要備戰啊,買武器啊,人員動員啊,這些東西,老百姓,台灣老百姓很善良,都支持啊,跟你支持啊,但是有一塊很重要的, |
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我當然不相信老公會封鎖台灣海峽可是 |
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有一個情況絕對發生的,就是什麼?兩岸關係這麼壞的情況之下,如果老共真的哪一天想到了要給你做一件事情,就最近的事情,跟有關係啊,海警船在我們台灣的西南那裡,我們的天然氣從那裡上來,對吧?那裡最多吧,西南最多。我們都有,對,路線好幾個路線。來來來,我地圖給你看。 |
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我們從北邊上來下來的只有兩個來源一個是美國一個是俄羅斯俄羅斯斷了嘛俄羅斯不買了是美國美國佔了多少你告訴我幾%美國目前大概佔10%左右上下前幾年數字1%而已後來多一點後來多一點對後來有比較高是前幾年1%後來多一點沒有到10%了不要亂講喔 |
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沒有10%,大概也有7、8%啦,有比較高啦。 |
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賴士葆 |
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沒有天然氣喔,整個都炒起來了,整個都炒起來,然後你們又不要用核電,所以這個事情只有兩個解方,第一個,你現在只有11天嘛,怎麼樣能夠增加儲存的天數,請問你? |
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所以這個增加儲槽的部分確實要建,包括三階就是現在在蓋,然後台中港增加儲槽。沒有沒有,現在正在蓋,包括三階現在也是在蓋增加儲槽的部分。 |
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世界當然要啊,所以我們確實是...所以世界其實也是大家要支持啦,是。 |
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何爾和珊研議按照現在的這個辦法應該要在5年前就來申請那即使說我們修法了以後呢到現在該處理的那一天不是馬上研議需要有一段時間做安全性的檢查那安全性的檢查是2到5年 |
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你看一看賴清德的白筆書裡面喔賴清德公開講喔你知道賴清德是誰啦齁公開說喔國家如果面臨安全的問題就國安危機可以重啟核電 |
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你們不弄我來幫你們弄我來修一個特別法河河河山研議特別條例沒有你剛講要5年的事情這是安全問題全世界任何國家為什麼要在5年前申請就是因為這一個查要延期以前需要有做專業的安全的核定那這個檢查就是要2到5年我告訴你們 |
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﹗ |
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不考慮這個,我覺得奇怪最後一個CPTPP你們沒有時間回答,我就一直把它講蔡英文總統從她當選總統之前就開始講TPP一直講到現在,最近還在講我給她算過CPTPP講了13次以上昨天還講結果英國跟我們同時申請了,已經加入了我們到現在沒有 |
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蔡英文總統說破了嘴坦白講只是作秀而已的因為你們都沒有沒有其實確實都有非常謝謝賴委員士寶的質詢也謝謝陳院長的備詢接下來我們請登記第14號王委員宏威質詢 |