| IVOD_ID |
149908 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149908 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-14T11:57:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-14T12:10:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/38af2da376d23135762569cdcef7f4039acded3ffe6c80faf8ba9b0039caa7a63af37138b611437b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:28 - 12:10:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
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羅委員明才：（11時57分）主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家好。主席，可不可以請楊總裁？ |
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主席：請總裁。 |
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楊總裁金龍：羅委員早。 |
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羅委員明才：楊總裁你好。我看總裁是很重要啦！ |
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楊總裁金龍：謝謝，謝謝召委的誇獎。 |
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羅委員明才：中華民國就靠你啦！ |
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楊總裁金龍：委員，您太…… |
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羅委員明才：總裁身體狀況好不好啊？ |
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楊總裁金龍：還很好。 |
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羅委員明才：我看你蠻硬朗的，一般官員在這邊如果坐一、兩個鐘頭，有的就「離離落落」。 |
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楊總裁金龍：委員是話中有話。 |
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羅委員明才：看你還是目光炯炯有神，希望你一棒接一棒，可以接續彭淮南總裁以後，持續擦亮中央銀行的招牌。 |
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楊總裁金龍：這一點…… |
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羅委員明才：總裁名字是楊金龍，剛好今年是龍年啦！the year of dragon，所以希望你這個龍不但在中華民國可以屹立不搖，更可以是東方升起的一條巨龍。 |
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講到這個，我就跟你討論「匹夫無罪，懷璧其罪」，一般人可能聽不懂啦！但我知道你聽得懂，在現在世界發展潮流情況之下，比特幣、數字貨幣變成未來必須的一個趨勢啊！你想想看，如果在6、7年前，本席在這裡質詢的時候，拜託中央銀行趕快發行新臺幣的數字貨幣，你那時候做的話，搞不好今天就沒有比特幣了啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：不會啦！比特幣還會存在的。 |
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羅委員明才：新臺幣的數字貨幣在國際有機會可以閃閃發光…… |
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楊總裁金龍：不過…… |
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羅委員明才：已經錯失了6、7年的機會，我們聽到很多虛擬貨幣的這些年輕人，他說匹夫無罪啊！你剛剛說比特幣是個商品，它沒有罪啊！它如果不好，為什麼Elon Musk要持有比特幣？如果它不好的話，為什麼美國那麼多上市公司的財報上面有寫比特幣？它不好的話，為什麼美國政府手上持有比特幣？更甚者，美國的SEC也通過了11檔ETF虛擬貨幣比特幣的項目，本末倒置嘛！ |
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你知道這變成是一個世代差距的問題，年輕人踏入這一塊，他們對這個是充滿期待與希望的，假設6、7年前中華民國政府不逃避，用誠懇認真的態度來面對，好好把法令規章管理好，你想想看，6、7年前所有投入虛擬貨幣的這些年輕人手上的資產，當初1個比特幣大概是6,000塊美金，現在已經漲到7萬2,000塊美金了，總裁，我們是不是間接地讓這些年輕人喪失了一個可以讓資產大幅增加的機會？這些年輕人很多都是臺大資工系畢業的，都是高材生，很多在臺灣待不下去，就流落到新加坡，跑到香港，跑到杜拜去。 |
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你如果說比特幣它是犯罪的，你就全面禁止啊！可是它不是啊！它是一個商品，所以我們不應該本末倒置，真正有問題的是詐騙的這些人，是金管會要好好地把所有的審查制度、法令規章，應該把它做好才對嘛！這個不要混淆，所以本席在幾年前，不同的時間，同樣的地點，我曾經建議央行，你要不要酌予買入一些比特幣當作我們的外匯存底，你那時候如果買六千多塊，現在是漲10倍耶！你知道中華民國有多少人嗷嗷待哺就是要靠中央銀行，去年中央銀行繳庫多少？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們去年繳1,800億元。 |
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羅委員明才：1,800億元，沒有一個單位那麼厲害的，所以當大家在講說台電的電費開始要漲10%，總裁，你知道民間小老百姓的心裡是多麼地害怕，已經沒有什麼資產了，薪水沒有漲，物價一直要飆漲，電如果再漲10%以後，那要怎麼生活啊？所以總裁有沒有辦法讓央行多賺一點，台電的1,000億元你來出？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我簡單地說明，剛剛委員有講到，中央銀行要不要來投資比特幣，你說它以前是多少，然後漲到多少…… |
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羅委員明才：6,000漲到7萬2啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：對，但是我跟你報告，中央銀行還是跟以前所說的一樣，我們不會投資比特幣，因為你說比特幣從這邊漲到那邊去的時候，委員有沒有想到，如果你買到高點，當它跌下來的時候，我們就虧大啦！當然委員講得沒有錯，它現在又漲上去了，但是目前的7.2、7.3萬，這不是它的最高點，它的最高點我記得好像有碰到8萬。 |
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羅委員明才：請問總裁，比特幣以後可能會漲到多少錢？ |
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楊總裁金龍：這個我不敢說，往後…… |
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羅委員明才：有人講說到70萬美金耶！ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，現在目前是說到10萬。不過我跟委員報告…… |
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羅委員明才：總裁，Elon Musk是傻瓜嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：它從8萬跌下來，然後慢慢、慢慢再上去，然後再下來，然後再上去，這表示什麼？它的波動都非常大。 |
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羅委員明才：是，總裁，那Elon Musk…… |
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楊總裁金龍：Musk，好，我跟委員報告…… |
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羅委員明才：他為什麼要買比特幣？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我記得Musk那時候也很瘋狂，他也說他買了多少，而且他甚至說你用比特幣可以買我的Tesla，他也是這樣子說啊！但是後來有沒有？後來他也沒有啊！ |
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羅委員明才：現在還沒有，不代表以後不會有。 |
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楊總裁金龍：但是沒有啊！後來Musk他也賣掉啦！ |
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羅委員明才：其實總裁，我知道你保守的心態，我可以理解。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我想中央銀行做裡面的…… |
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羅委員明才：中華民國所有的官員一般都是非常地保守，但是我們期待希望的是臺灣能有更多遠高、遠大的理想，可以帶領臺灣往前走、往前衝，你都不要，為什麼新加坡它要？你都不行，為什麼日本行？所以央行…… |
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楊總裁金龍：新加坡要，但是新加坡它的GIC沒有投資，GIC沒有投資哦！ |
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羅委員明才：央行大概有幾個字，你參考一下，就是央行大概保守有餘、開創不足。這幾年來，當然央行有好的地方，但是…… |
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楊總裁金龍：我虛心地接受委員評論。 |
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羅委員明才：我一直期待希望的就是可以有大破大立大格局，才不枉你的名字叫做楊金龍，金的要像一條龍一樣，飛龍在天啊！而不是龍做不成，變成小蛇，那大家對你的期望就會落空。 |
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楊總裁金龍：好，我接受委員的…… |
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羅委員明才：這是第一個。第二個所提的，就是本席也是在這邊建議，還有在文園也建議過，當黃金每盎司1,250的時候，本席曾經建議總裁，你要多少買一點黃金，結果有沒有買？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們沒有買。 |
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羅委員明才：沒買就很可惜，現在每盎司已經漲到2,200塊了。本席在考量的是，美國不斷地印鈔票，大量地印、印、印，請問總裁，美國印了那麼多的鈔票，無限制在印，以後會不會有什麼影響？你手上的外匯存底，你還要放美金嗎？會不會通膨？美元會不會貶值？ |
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楊總裁金龍：是啦！所以通膨，某些國家就是因為它本身的通膨很高，所以它才要握有黃金；有些國家是因為美國制裁它，所以它才要多買一些黃金，像Russia，Russia就都買黃金啊！中國大陸也是怕人家制裁，所以它就把外匯存底轉為黃金，但是臺灣呢？ |
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另外，委員說黃金從多少漲到多少，我給你一個數據，我們有計算，從民國78年到目前113年2月底，黃金平均的報酬率是4.7%，因為它只是capital gain，所以就只計算capital gain，它的平均報酬率是4.7%。美國的公債是多少？5%。不只是這樣子哦！黃金的波動度多少？15%。美國公債的波動度多少？4.6%。你看看它的起伏，你不要只有看到它現在…… |
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羅委員明才：所以總裁，你會繼續買黃金，還是買美國公債？ |
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楊總裁金龍：就黃金來講，中央銀行如果說要孳息的話，黃金沒有利息啊！黃金只有靠capital gain，那capital gain它是上上下下。 |
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羅委員明才：因為時間關係，最後要問總裁，你以後會不會考慮買比特幣？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們不會考慮買比特幣，但是我們會研究是否要買黃金，這樣可以嗎？ |
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羅委員明才：那你手上為什麼要持股台糖的股票？ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，台糖的股票那是long long time，那都是很久以前的事情了，那個是因為…… |
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羅委員明才：那你就要趕快處理掉啊！央行怎麼會比特幣不要買，你手上要買台糖的股票，這個邏輯怪怪的。 |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，不是我們主動去買的，而是以前台糖可能有一些……我不曉得，因為這是很久以前的事情，然後要中央銀行介入，所以我們才握有台糖股票。 |
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羅委員明才：那你就會被外界認為你可以買台糖，你不買比特幣，那怪怪的啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，就誠如我剛剛一直講的，比特幣從2萬塊，然後啪！啪！啪！上去到八萬多，然後又跌下來到7萬塊。 |
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主席：謝謝羅委員，謝謝楊總裁。 |
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羅委員明才：好，因為時間的關係，我們希望央行…… |
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主席：他就只有接受你當小蛇的建議而已，謝謝。 |
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羅委員明才：好啦！希望央行能有更開闊的思維面對未來國際的挑戰。 |
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楊總裁金龍：好，我接受委員的建議。 |
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羅委員明才：有多元的思考。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我接受。 |
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羅委員明才：好，謝謝。 |
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楊總裁金龍：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝總裁。接著請謝衣鳯委員。 |
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羅明才 |
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林德福 |
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賴惠員 |
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王鴻薇 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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黃珊珊 |
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王世堅 |
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李坤城 |
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陳玉珍 |
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顏寬恒 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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邱志偉 |
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洪孟楷 |
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邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質
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請總裁羅委員早江總裁你好我看總裁是很重要啦謝謝謝謝中華民國就靠你啦總裁身體狀況好不好你的身體狀況好不好還很好我看你蠻硬朗的齁 |
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總裁名字是楊金龍剛好今年是龍年the year of dragon |
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現在世界的發展潮流情況之下比特幣數字貨幣是變成未來必需的一個趨勢你想想看如果在六七年前本席在這裡 |
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指詢的時候拜託中央銀行趕快發行新台幣的數字貨幣你那時候做的時候搞不好今天就沒有比特幣了啊 不會啦 比特幣還會存在的新台幣的數字貨幣在國際有機會可以閃閃發光 |
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已經措施了6千年的集會我們聽到很多虛擬貨幣的這些年輕人他說比特幣你剛剛說他是個商品他沒有罪啊他如果不好 |
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為什麼Elon Musk他要持有比特幣如果他不好的話為什麼美國那麼多的上市公司財產財報上面有寫比特幣為什麼不好的話美國政府手上持有比特幣 |
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更甚者在美國的SEC也通過了11檔ETF的虛擬貨幣比特幣的項目你知道這個變成是一個世代的差距問題年輕人他們踏入這一塊他們對這個是充滿期待跟希望的 |
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假設六七年前中華民國政府不逃避用誠懇面對認真的態度來好好把法令規章管理好那你想想看六七年前所有投入虛擬貨幣的這些年輕人手上的資產當初一個比特幣大概是六千塊美金現在已經漲到 |
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七萬兩千塊美金的總裁我們是不是間接的讓這些年輕人上司的一個可以在資產大幅增加的一個機會就這些年輕人很多啊都是台大資工系畢業的啊都是高材生啊很多在台灣待不下去就 |
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流落到新加坡跑到香港跑到杜拜去你如果說比特幣他是犯罪的你就全面禁止可是他不是他是一個商品 |
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所以我們不應該本末倒置真正有問題的是詐騙的這些人是金管會你要好好的把所有的審查制度法令規章你應該把它做好才對嘛這個不要混啊所以本席在幾年前不同的時間同樣的地點我曾經建議央行 |
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你要不要卓於買入一些比特幣當作我們的外匯存底你那時候如果買6000多塊現在是漲10倍你知道中華民國有多少人嗷嗷待哺就是要靠中央銀行去年中央銀行繳庫多少我們去年繳1800億1800億沒有一個單位那麼厲害的 |
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當大家在講說那個台電開始電費要漲了10%你知道總裁民間小老百姓心裡是多麼的害怕已經是沒有什麼資產了薪水沒有漲物價一直要飆漲這個電如果再漲10%以後那生活怎麼生活 |
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所以總裁有沒有辦法央行多賺一點這個台電的一千億你來出啊 |
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不過我可以就是說很簡單的剛剛委員有講到就是說中央銀行要不要來投資這個比特幣比如說以前它多少漲到多少6千漲到7萬2但是呢委員我跟你報告中央銀行還是跟以前所說的一樣我們不會投資比特幣 |
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因為你說的比特幣從這邊漲到那邊去的時候但是委員你有沒有想到你買到高點的時候幫它跌下來的時候我們就虧大了當然委員講的沒有錯它現在又漲上去了但是7.2億現在目前7.2、7.3這個不是它的最高點 |
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他有最高點我記得好像有碰到8萬的請問總裁比特幣以後可能會漲到多少錢這個我不敢說有人講到說70萬美金沒有沒有現在目前是說他是到10萬不過我跟委員報告總裁eo mask是傻瓜嗎 |
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他從8萬跌下來然後慢慢慢慢再上去然後再下來然後再上去這表示什麼他的波動都非常大是總裁那Elon Musk那他為什麼要買比特幣啊我記得那時候他也很瘋狂他也就說他買了多少而且他甚至說你用比特幣可以買我的Tesla |
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對阿他還說這樣子說阿但是後來也沒有後來他也沒有阿他沒有現在還沒有不代表以後不會有阿但是沒有阿其實總裁我知道你的保守的心態我可以理解阿中華民國的所有官員一般都是非常的保守但是我們期待的是希望台灣能有更多 |
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遠高遠大的理想可以帶領台灣往前走往前衝你都不要那為什麼新加坡他要你都不行為什麼日本行所以央行大概有幾個字就是你參考一下就是央行那個保守有餘開創不足 |
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我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我 |
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那個龍做不成變成小蛇我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我 |
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595.269 |
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我沒有買沒買沒買都很可惜阿現在每盎司已經漲到2200塊本席在考量的是美國不斷的印鈔票大量的印印印印那請問總裁美國印了那麼多鈔票無限制在印 |
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以後會有什麼影響?你手上外匯存地你還要放美金嗎?我跟委員報告啦會不會通膨?美元會貶值?喔是啦所以呢就是說就是說通膨呢某些國家就是因為他本身的通膨很高所以他才要握有黃金有些國家呢是因為美國制裁他所以呢他才要多買一些黃金 |
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我跟委員報告委員說你說黃金從多少漲到多少不過我給你一個數據我給你一個數據 |
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我們有計算從民國78年到目前1113年2月底黃金平均的報酬率是4.7%因為他沒有他只有他只有capital gain所以那個就只計算capital gain他平均的報酬率是4.7%美國的公債是多少5%不只是這樣子喔 |
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黃�金的波動度多少15%美國公債呢他的波動度多少4.6%你看看 |
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所以總裁你會繼續買黃金還是買美國公債?總裁最後問你以後會不會考慮買比特幣? |
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我跟委員報告我們不會考慮買比特幣但是呢我們會研究是否要買黃金那你為什麼那你手上為什麼要持股台糖的股票 |
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沒有那台糖的股票那是longlong time那是很久以前的事情了那個是因為那你就趕快要處理掉啊怎麼會央行比特幣不要買那你手上你要買台糖的股票這個邏輯怪怪的沒有那沒有不是我們主動去買的而是以前啊台糖有一些的可能我不曉得因為這個是很久以前的事情 |
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那你就被外界認為可以買台糖你不買比特幣那怪怪的啊那當然我沒有就誠實我剛剛一直講比特幣呢從兩萬塊然後上去到啪啪啪八萬多然後又跌下來然後又到七百塊謝謝羅委員謝謝楊總裁他就只有接受你當小蛇的建議而已 |
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希望央行能有更開闊的思維面對未來國際的挑戰我接受我接受委員的建議多元的思考我接受我接受謝謝總裁謝謝接著我們請謝玉鳳謝委員 |