| IVOD_ID |
149905 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149905 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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35 |
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外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-14T11:54:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-14T12:03:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/38af2da376d231351b2fc81749f3fe0fd1f4736135d62a1df8ba9b0039caa7a67b124888fff9f1c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:37 - 12:03:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長邱國正報告「面對中共常態化對我侵擾與威脅之影響與應處作為」，併請國家安全局副局長、海洋委員會副主任委員列席，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時54分）主席、各位委員，有請部長。 |
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主席：請邱部長。 |
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邱部長國正：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長辛苦了，上禮拜我有質詢關於臺東戰備跑道的事情，國防部也特別指派空軍參謀長到臺東關山，在12號舉行這個說明會，臺東關山的鄉親反對在台九線外環道設置戰備跑道，臺東縣饒慶鈴縣長建議可以東移與河堤共構。臺東的鄉親、花蓮的鄉親對於備戰絕對是支持的，像佳山基地的新闢、志航基地的興建，臺東、花蓮的鄉親絕對是支持，所以東移與河堤共構是臺東鄉親的建議，縣長的建議也是這樣。 |
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本席在上禮拜質詢的時候也提到可以建在花東快速公路上，因為現在正在做可行性評估，所以這個部分如果你們支持的話會更快。因此我們希望是這樣，讓有限的資源……尤其現在關山那個地方正好都是良田，也是糧食所需，戰爭的時候糧食更重要，這個部分請國防部能夠跟交通部協調，他們在做規劃、興建的時候就把它一併的規劃在這裡面，部長，可以嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：可以，上午黃委員也很關切這個問題，所以之前跟部落之間的協調我不知道做了……可能有欠缺周延的地方，但我們空軍也很有誠意，希望戰備跟地方建設雙贏，大家都有利，我們絕對朝這一方面去努力。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為這個部分就原住民族基本法而言，它當然就是要部落諮商、要同意，如果興建在這個地方，就像饒縣長所建議的東移與河堤共構，花東快速公路的位置、路線就是與河堤共構，會非常非常地適合，未來興建也會比較容易，也會讓人民更支持，所以這個部分請國防部能夠儘快跟交通部協調，好不好？ |
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邱部長國正：好，我跟委員報告，我初步看到這個，他有建議地方公路不要順便成為戰備跑道，應該要切割，但這個就茲事體大，一定要考慮這個問題，可能全盤都跟這個完全不一樣，我們請空軍在做評估以後…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：也不是說完全切割啦！ |
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邱部長國正：所以我們再進一步的協調好了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所謂的戰備跑道，像屏東的就是在公路上，這個都知道的…… |
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邱部長國正：是，佳冬。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：只要是不影響人民的相關資源，避開糧倉，大家都會支持啦！ |
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接下來談志航機場，志航機場在興建的時候，原來我們的部落在裡面，像加路蘭部落、石山部落原來都在志航機場裡面，因為要興建志航機場，我們的部落就遷移到志航機場的旁邊，我們都非常地配合，就遷到志航機場的旁邊。 |
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這幾十年來我們忍受了噪音，噪音部分忍受了非常非常多年，本席也質詢過很多次，但是因為礙於主計總處給你們的經費不足，我常常舉例子，按照媒體的報導，而且這也是事實，噪音補償竟然要等30年，過去的噪音補償是什麼呢？因為受限於法令的問題，你們都是用補助經費買冷氣機，但是要等30年，我常常舉主計總處對於政府機關的冷氣機是8、9年就可以換新的，但是我們要等30年才能輪到，它是用輪的，一個里、一個里、一個里這樣輪，最靠近機場的、在機場周邊的，剛才講的那三個部落就要等非常非常多年，而且不切實際，冷氣機不可能等那麼久啊！對不對？我們都可以忍受，但是要怎麼樣合理的補償？所以本席從109年開始提修正噪音管制法，也在110年1月20號通過，特別明定可以跟民航的、軍民合用的機場，像軍民合用的或是民航機場是每年發補償啊！這個在110年1月20號修法，但是現在已經113年了，111、112、113，我的瞭解是這樣，當然我沒有最新的資料，上次說請提供，還沒有提供，要趕快提供給我。 |
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據我的瞭解，國防部要堅定地配合法律的修正，就要補償啊！就用經費來補償的方式，為什麼呢？你說冷氣機，他不可能等那麼久，他只好先買了、自用自買了，你現在說還是用冷氣機，但他已經買了啊！他不能等那麼久啊！對不對？所以你們可以跟民用機場一樣，他們都用現金啊！讓人民自己做處理，但是你們一直太尊重那個小組的會議，你們稱為什麼？ |
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鄧司長克雄：噪改小組。 |
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曹參謀長進平：噪改小組。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：那個小組是由很遠的里當成員，大部分的成員不是在那個，所以應該要尊重最靠近機場的這些民眾的意見，可以嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：好，我請空軍再好好去研究，但據我瞭解，採用這個方法也是經過討論過的，不是軍中冒然去…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：沒有錯，就是那個小組成員的問題啦！小組的成員中，周邊部落的只有一個代表，比不過他們…… |
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邱部長國正：對，所以後面我們還要持續溝通，再跟委員做說明，好不好？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。 |
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邱部長國正：你叫我一時馬上就答應去改，但是我這裡可能有一些法令方面的問題，我不能夠貿然決定。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：法令已經改好了，OK了、都可以了。 |
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邱部長國正：是，但是細節部分一定也是於法有據的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但是要聽在地人、最靠近志航機場的…… |
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邱部長國正：好，我瞭解。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：他們受的影響是最大的，好不好？ |
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邱部長國正：我瞭解。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。 |
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邱部長國正：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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接下來請陳冠廷委員上臺發言。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國防部部長邱國正報告「面對中共常態化對我侵擾與威脅之影響與應處作為」，併請國家安
全局副局長、海洋委員會副主任委員列席，並備質詢 |
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臺東關山的鄉親反對在臺九縣外環道設置戰備跑道臺東縣勞慶林縣長建議可以東移與河堤共過臺東的鄉親、花蓮的鄉親 |
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對於這個備戰絕對是支持的像這個嘉山基地的新屁像這個自航基地的新建這個臺東花蓮的鄉親絕對是支持這個所以東宜與合體共構這個是臺東的鄉親的一個建議然後縣長的建議也是這樣 |
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本席在上禮拜質詢的時候也提到可以跟花東快速公路 |
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建在這個花東快速公路的這個因為現在正在做可行性評估所以這個部分如果你們支持的話會更快所以我們是希望是這樣讓這個這個有限的資源尤其尤其是現在的那個關山那個地方正好都是糧田 |
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也是糧食首席的這個戰爭的時候糧食更重要所以這個部分請國防部能夠跟這個交通部 |
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來協調他們在做規劃新建的時候就把它一併的規劃在這裡面部長可以嗎?可以,我上午黃委員很關切這個問題所以可能之前跟部落之間的協調我不知道做了,可能有欠缺中原的地方但我們空軍也很有誠意啦希望這個戰備跟這個地方建設 |
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雙贏,大家都有利,我們覺得朝這方面去努力。因為這個部分,就原住民族基本法而言,他當然就是要部落諮商,要同意。如果先建在這個,就像老縣長所建議的,東移與合體共構, |
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花東快速道路花東快速公路的這個位置它的路線就是以合體共過就是以合體共過會非常非常的適合這個部分對於這個未來新建也會比較容易也會這個 |
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人民會更支持人民會更支持所以這個部分請這個國防部能夠盡快跟這個交通部去協調好不好好我跟委員報告我初步看到這個他有話有建議講戰備跑道不要順便跟地方公路切應該要切割但這個的意味就是姿勢體大好不好這個的意味加上要考慮這個問題那可能全盤都跟這個完全不一樣 |
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也不是說完全切割啦也不是說完全切割在那邊跑到像屏東就是在公路上這個都知道的這個只要是不影響這個相關人民的這個相關的這些資源避開這個糧倉這個大家都會去支持好我們接下來談這個 |
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自航機場自航機場在興建的時候這個現在自航機場啊原來我們的部落在裡面像這個交入欄部落十三部落原來都在自航機場裡面因為要興建自航機場我們的部落 |
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在幾十年來我們就是忍受了這個噪音噪音所以噪音的部分忍受了非常非常的多年本席也質詢過很多次但是因為礙於 |
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主計總署給你們的經費不足這個我常常舉例子按照這個媒體的報導而且是事實噪音補償竟然要等30年過去的噪音補償是什麼呢因為限於法令的問題你們都是用那個冷氣機嘛 |
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補助經費買冷氣機但是要等30年我常常擠那個主計總署的那個對於那個政府機關的冷氣機啊八九年就可以換新的 |
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但是我們要等三十年才能夠輪啊他用輪的一個里一個里一個里這樣輪啊最靠近機場的在機場周邊的剛才講的那三個部落就要等非常非常的多年而且不切實際這個冷氣機不可能說這個要等那麼久啊對不對我們都可以忍受但是要怎麼樣合理的補償所以 |
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本席就在110年從109年開始提修正噪音管制法這個也在110年1月20號通過了這個噪音管制法特別明定可以跟這個民航的軍民合用的機場 |
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像軍營合用的或是民航機場啊,它是每年補償啊,每年發補償啊,但是現在這個修法已經114年1月20號,現在113年囉,111213 |
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我的了解是這樣當然我沒有最新的資料上次說要請提供還沒有提供要趕快提供給我但是我的了解國防部要堅定的配合法律的修正就要補償就用補償的方式用經費啦為什麼呢你說冷氣機它不可能等那麼久我只好先買了用字買了 |
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阿你現在說還是用冷氣機我已經買了阿不能等那麼久阿對不對所以你還是用跟民航民用機場的他們都用現金阿 |
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鄭先生讓人民自己做怎麼樣去處理這個是但是你們一直太尊重那個什麼那個那個那個小組的會議啊你們稱為什麼那個小組那個成員成員很遠的那個李也當那個成員啊大部分的成員不是在那個所以應該要尊重最靠近機場的 |
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這些民眾的意見,可以嗎?好,我們請空軍再去好好去解釋。據我了解,當時採用這個方法也是經過討論過的。不是軍中貿然去。小組的成員,周邊的部落 |
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好 謝謝委員 |
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好,謝謝。 |