| IVOD_ID |
149849 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149849 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-14T09:57:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-14T10:06:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/38af2da376d23135f9769184e3ba2fa451d5fa63d75d4c3df8ba9b0039caa7a622361ff6ef9879315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:32 - 10:06:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)【3月11日、13日及14日三天一次會】） |
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292 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（9時57分）我嚴重的抗議主席這樣的……董事長要不要回答由他來決定！ |
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主席：主席有裁示權喔！這是主席的職權，請尊重主席好不好？那您現在不質詢了嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我當然要質詢啊！ |
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主席：好啊！那就請…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：要不要回答是董事長去決定，不是你去決定啦！ |
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主席：我沒有不讓他回答，我只是讓董事長私下來跟張委員報告，這關乎國家安全，我更在乎的是國家安全，好嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但你影響他的質詢權利。 |
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主席：沒有影響到任何人的質詢權，剛剛的時間是張委員的質詢時間已經截止了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你可以提醒他…… |
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主席：好，您要不要質詢嘛？時間…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你可以提醒他時間到了，而不是這樣子。 |
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主席：主席可以做裁示的，這是主席的職權。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，多偉大！請部長。 |
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主席：請王部長。 |
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王部長美花：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。現在是看守內閣，應暫停不利於人民的政策，而就經濟部所主管的來講，就是不應該調漲電價。雖然一直講說4月，作為部長，對於在看守內閣的期間，真的是不應該調漲電價，這個就暫停，就留給新的內閣，也許你續任，也許你高升，就留給新的內閣，可以嗎？ |
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王部長美花：我想第一個，整個電價的審議本來就有機制，第二個，事實上現在還是連續執政，所以我想政策上應該要去做、要去考慮的事情，還是要去認真來執行。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，當然看守內閣到底要怎麼做？目前比較明確的法律就是公務人員任用法第二十六條之一，這裡面規定「各機關首長於下列期間，不得任用或遷調人員：……六、憲法或法規未定有任期之中央各級機關政務首長，於總統競選連任未當選或未再競選連任時，自次屆該項選舉當選人名單公告之日起至當選人宣誓就職止。」這個是比較明確的法令，就是對於公務人員的任用，至於其他的，其實就是依過去的政策、過去的慣例去推動，這個部分也請部長來做參考。 |
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行政院陳建仁院長就特別提到，雖然是號稱看守內閣，但會繼續提出福國利民的方案。所以有利於人民的，大家不會太在意，而且應該要去推動；但是不利於人民的，就應該交移給新的內閣。所以這個部分，還是要請部長三思，過去也不是沒有過，何況俄烏戰爭所帶來的影響也不是今年才開始，去年就產生了很大的影響，但是還是做了暫停的處理…… |
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王部長美花：台電的穩健經營對整個臺灣的供電是非常重要的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：當然、當然，我們都知道。部長，你請回座，我請董事長。 |
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王部長美花：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：董事長好。 |
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李董事長順欽：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：民生方面，食、衣、住、行，尤其是糧食、水電、石油、天然氣是民生最重要的部分。所以中油公司的報告裡面提到布局再生能源，花蓮、臺東地熱區這個部分，因為時間的關係，就請董事長回去再提供目前花東地區地熱能的辦理情形，好不好？ |
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李董事長順欽：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，這裡面要謝謝中油，雖然有俄烏戰爭的影響，但是為了配合穩定物價政策，售價未配合油、氣價公式足額調整，你們沒有增加、沒有去調漲油價，都是由中油來吸收，這個就是為了民生。所以要請中油繼續的保持，不要學台電，要繼續去穩定物價相關的政策，這個部分也要請你協助。 |
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我接下來談的是原住民就業的問題，看起來跟你沒有關係，事實上是有很大的……你只要願意做就可以去做。蔡總統在2015年8月1號提出原住民族就業政策，保障上萬「新的」工作機會，開創永續的原住民族經濟發展。他說要保障上萬新的工作機會，政府要負擔保障原住民就業的責任，這是蔡總統在2015年8月1號所提出來的。這個部分，我們看中油在112年招考一般類有19個類別，招考了828人，請問一下董事長，你有沒有印象是否有特別針對原住民招考相關的規定？ |
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李董事長順欽：抱歉，我們再把資料跟委員做說明，但是依我瞭解，中油公司不只是遵循法規，我們其實在原住民的任用，還有包括在一些特定人士的任用，我們絕對都比法規要求的還要高。詳細資料我來瞭解一下，再跟委員報告。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，就請提供105年到現在中油歷年原住民進用的人數。 |
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李董事長順欽：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：113年的招考你們也即將要辦理對不對？ |
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李董事長順欽：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我建議董事長能夠參考台電，它就有特別保障原住民進用的人數，所以這個部分應該提供進用原住民的名額，是不是可以往這個方向去，尤其是貫徹蔡總統的政策，可以嗎？ |
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李董事長順欽：好，我們來瞭解再跟委員做後續的報告。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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李董事長順欽：好，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。接下來請楊瓊瓔委員發言。 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳超明 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣中油股份有限公司
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好接下來請鄭天財委員發言鄭天財委員嚴重的抗議主席這樣的那個要不要回答是董事長要不要回答是與他來接近這是主席的職權 |
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請尊重主席好不好。 那您現在不質詢了嗎? |
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我當然要質詢啊。 要不要回答是董事長去決定的,不是你去決定的。 我沒有不讓他回答,我只是讓董事長私下來跟張委員報告。 |
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這關乎國家安全我更在乎的是國家安全好嗎沒有影響到任何人的質詢權剛剛的時間是張委員的質詢時間已經截止了你可以提醒他時間到了而不是這樣子主席可以做才是的這是主席的職權好請那個部長來請王部長 |
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部長好現在是看守內閣應暫停不利於人民的政策而就經濟部所主管的來講就是不應該調漲電價雖然一直講說事業作為部長 |
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對於在看守內閣的期間真的是不應該調漲電價這個就暫停留給新的內閣也許你細任也許你高深就留給新的內閣可以嗎? |
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我想第一個就整個電價的審議本來就有機制那第二個事實上現在還是連續執政所以我想這個政策上應該要去做要去考慮的事情還是要去認真來執行是好當然這個看守內閣到底要怎麼做 |
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法例目前法例比較明確的就是這個公務人員的用法826條之一這裡面各機關首長以下列期間不得任用或簽調人員憲法第6款憲法後法規未定有任期之中央各級機關政務所長以總統競選連任未當選 |
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或未在競選連任時至次借該項選舉當選的名單公告之次日起至當選人先是就職者這個是比較明確的法律就是對於這個公務人員的一個任用那其他的其實就是過去的政策過去的 |
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過去的慣例去推動這個部分請部長來做參考就我們行政院陳建仁院長就特別提到雖然是號稱看守內閣但會繼續提出扶國立民的方案所以有利人民大家不會 |
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新的內閣所以這個部分還是要請部長三思過去也不是沒有過過去也不是沒有過何況二屋戰爭所帶來的影響也不是今年 |
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來,董事長好。 阿文好。 |
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這個民生、食衣住行尤其是水電、糧食、水電、石油、天然氣是民生最重要的這個部分所以你這個中油公司這裡面你的報告裡面提到這個部級再生能源 |
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那花蓮台東地熱區這個部分請這個時間的關係就請董事長回去再提供這個目前的一個花東地區地熱能的辦理情形是好這裡面這個要謝謝忠友雖然有俄烏戰爭的影響但是對於 |
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為了配合穩定物價政策,售價未配合油電、油氣價公式足以調整。 |
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這個就是為了民生所以要請中油繼續的不要寫台電繼續的來去穩定這個相關的這些物價的政策所以這個部分要請你繼續協助好我要接下來的談的是原住民的就業的問題 |
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原住民就業的問題看起來是跟你沒有關係事實上是有很大的這個你只要願意做就可以去做蔡總統在2015年8月1號這個提出的原住民族就業政策和保障上望的新的工作機會開創永續的原住民族經濟發展 |
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他說要保障上望新的工作就業政府要負擔保障原住民就業的責任這個是一個蔡總統在2015年8月1日所提出來的所以這個部分我們看中油在112年 |
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這個招考一般類有19個類別招考了828人請問一下這個董事長你有沒有印象有沒有特別針對原住民的招考的相關的規定 |
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抱歉這個委員這個我再把資料再跟委員做說明但是依我了解政府公司不只是遵循法規我們其實包括在原住民的任用還有包括在一些特定人士的任用我們絕對都比法規要求的還要高那詳細資料我來了解一下再跟委員報告好這個 |
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好就請提供105年到現在是歷年原住民經用的人數這個中油那113年的招考你們也要即將辦理對不對是我建議這個董事長這個能夠參考台電台電他就有特別 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員 |