| IVOD_ID |
149821 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149821 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
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財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-13T12:34:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-13T12:40:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7ed54bd69a3b690347ead15b7842f5b4b77cff0621b76d91f8ba9b0039caa7a63fcf17fe098d76155ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:34:10 - 12:40:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時34分）這個主要權責是在審計，審計部要加油。剛才張委員提的都是審計部的事情，審計部要加油，要提出來。我要請主計長。 |
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主席：請朱主計長。 |
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朱主計長澤民：委員，午安。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：午安。建置原住民族族群主流友善公共空間的計畫，原民會提出來，一再被阻擋，第一次、第二次到第三次，減少經費，雖然已經核定了，但是現在要去檢討。計畫的內容非常好，但是像這樣的都市原住民族聚會所本來要蓋10處，因為經費減少，所以只能剩下3處，一個中長程計畫結果只有3處，本來要10處，減少了7處，不得不減少，因為經費減少，不給那麼多，所以只好減少。像營造文化公共空間也是一樣，本來要20處，因為你經費不給那麼多，所以只好減少。好，請說。 |
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朱主計長澤民：公建計畫要審核通過以後才會到我們這邊編預算，公建計畫每年有一定的額度。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主計長，我都問過了。 |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有，我跟委員講，很多單位最後都會把責任賴給主計總處，謝謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個計畫是報行政院，行政院交付給國發會來審查，國發會審查的時候，邀請的主要就是主計總處…… |
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朱主計長澤民：沒有啦，主計總處只是在裡面可以表示意見而已啦。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：第一次提案、第二次提案、第三次提案，後來最重要的都市原住民聚落營造、聚落永續新家園，本來要改善6處，需要的經費都應該要提供，結果後來因為經費沒有給那麼多，只好減少，所以這個部分變成是這樣的情形。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我來報告一下，公建計畫是每一年國庫給國發會，國發會在裡面去分配。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：是啊，別的部會都給很多，就是原住民族的中長程計畫給得少。 |
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朱主計長澤民：計畫的核定不是主計處來決定。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我們就看預算書好了。113年，也就是今年，預算書只有編列6千萬，非常少，跟我過去在臺灣省政府時針對都會區的中長程計畫比，真的是差太多了。這裡面包含了都市地區的聚會所、祭典場所、永續新家園這些計畫，113年度才6千萬，這麼大的都會區，從基隆一直到高雄的都會區，經費真的是太少太少了，而且很重要的是，一個新的計畫，不該編的編了，該編的沒有編，有的經費已經夠少了，結果你看，委託辦理計畫補助、審查評比作業原則、規劃建置資訊整合系統、宣導及教育訓練編了這麼多經費，然後還有委託辦理媒體政策及業務宣導經費編了那麼多，編了300萬。你想想看，一個新的計畫要蓋一個都市原住民部落聚會所，還沒有蓋就花了這麼多宣導費，該編的不編。這個錢已經夠少了，結果宣導費編那麼多。 |
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朱主計長澤民：我們會去瞭解執行情況以及為什麼…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我是建議主計長，就請原民會把這些費用勻支到相關的其他費用。 |
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朱主計長澤民：如果有編，但執行的時候沒有花這麼多，還是要移到其他地方或者是繳庫。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在就要講了，不然就拿去花了，已經拿去宣導了，趕快制止，好不好？ |
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朱主計長澤民：我不能夠用錢去管他們的政策。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這不是政策，這是預算的執行。 |
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朱主計長澤民：如果有浪費，我們當然會來…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：當然浪費。都還沒有蓋，宣導什麼？謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭委員。 |
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接著請洪孟楷委員。洪孟楷、洪孟楷、洪孟楷不在。 |
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請楊瓊瓔委員。楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔不在。 |
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請羅智強委員。 |
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主要權責是審計部,審計部要加油。審計部、審計長、審計部。剛才委員提的都是審計部的事情。審計部要加油,要提出來。要請哪一位?我們請主計長。 |
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欸?那個﹖午安好午安齁這個建制原住民族族群主流化友善公共空間的計畫嚴明會提出來一再的被阻擋第一次第二次到第三次減少經費這個已經核定了但是現在去檢討是說他的計畫的內容非常好但是一直被 |
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像這樣的一個本來要蓋實處部落都市的原住民族的忌諱手 |
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因為你的經費減少所以只能剩下3處一個計劃一個計劃中長城計劃只有3處本來要10處減少了7處他不得不減少因為你的經費減少嘛不給他那麼多嘛所以他只好減少像這個營造文化公共空間也是一樣本來要20處 |
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啊因為你經費不給他那麼多所以他只好減少啊是減少所以這樣的一個啊如果我們再去對比剛才講的那個啊那你看這個是這樣一個好請說 |
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主計長我都問過了啦 |
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國發會 國發會招開 這個計畫是報行政院 行政院交付給國發會來審查 國發會審查的時候邀請了主要的 就是主計處沒有啦 我們主計處只是裡面就可以表示意見而已啦 |
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整個第一次提案第二次提案第三次提案後來這個相關的這些最重要的都市原住民聚落的營造聚落永續新家園本來要改善六處然後是需要的經費都提供結果後來因為經費沒有給那麼多只好減少了所以這個部分變成是這樣的一個情形 |
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我們就看預算書好了 |
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一百一十三年今年的預算書只有編列六千萬非常的少跟我在過去在臺灣省政府的時候針對都會期的中長城計畫要比真的是差太多了這裡面你看包含了都市都市地區的紀惠所祭典場所永續新家園的這些計畫 |
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一百一十三年度才六千萬這麼大的都會期從基隆一直到高雄的都會期像這樣的一個經費真的是太少太少了而且很重要的我們來看這個一個新的計畫不該編的編了 |
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該編的沒有編這個經費已經夠少了結果你看委託辦理計畫補助審查評比作業原則規劃建置資訊整合系統先導及教育訓練多少編了這麼多經費然後還有委託辦理什麼業務先導經費 |
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什麼媒體政策及業務先導經費變了那麼多千萬、十萬、三百萬你想想看一個新的計畫我要蓋個部落機會所還沒有蓋啊我要蓋一個都市原住民的機會所還沒有蓋啊就花了這麼多的先導費該編的不編 |
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現在這錢已經夠少了結果還先導費變那麼多所以這個部分這個我們會去了解因為他的執行情況以及說他的那個為什麼我是建議了主計長你就請嚴明會把這些費用 |
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對﹖如果他有這邊﹖他執行的時候沒有花這麼多﹖他還是要移到其他地方去﹖或者是腳褲﹖已經拿去先倒了﹖趕快制止好不好﹖ |
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羅智強委員 |